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scrappy25 renovation Part 3- The kitchen cockpit (Stages 45 sink)

scrappy25
9 years ago

If you missed Part 2 (Julia soapstone installed), I have linked it below. The link to Part 1 (Layout evolution and cabinet installation) is that thread.

The Kitchen Cockpit (Kohler Stages 45 sink and under sink cabinet)

I have enjoyed my Stages 45 so much that it deserves it own separate post. Many thanks fo all those who posted previously on it. The wonderful review by rjr220 was really instrumental in my decision to buy it. bbtrix and beekeeperswife held my hand as I asked questions about installation. I don't know how many times I looked at lauralincoln's picture with her two Kohler Karbon faucets. There are several others who used the Stages 45 and 33 sinks creatively in their cabinetry who contributed ideas to my final installation. Thank you all!

You may or may not remember from Part 1 that I moved the sink in this renovation to the peninsula, the location of my former cooktop. That idea, suggested by bmorepanic and refined by lavenderlass, cleared a huge swath of counterspace in front of the kitchen window (the former location of the sink) and allowed access to the sink from 3 sides of the peninsula for 3 persons simultaneously. This layout happens to perfectly follow Marcolo's "Ice, Water, Rock, Fire" sequence coincidentally.

This layout coalesced when I got a deal on the Stages 45 sink on the Home Depot website. I paid $849 for it, but in retrospect the $1149 normal price is fully worth it. I have wonderful appliances and cabinets that are loaded with extras, but this sink area is really the center of all activity, hence called "The Cockpit" in our home.

One unexpected finding is that most of my prep is actually done in the sink itself rather than on the large amount of counterspace that I now have next to it. This is really nice in that I am facing the eating area and family room and can easily socialize with others while I am prepping. When my sister and mom were here over Thanksgiving, we used all 3 sides of the peninsula for prepping, every surface was covered.

I took some pictures while quickly making dinner tonight so that you get the idea of how I use it.

The first photo was taken when I was cutting and cleaning the cauliflower. There is a lot in this photo, so bear with me. I use the Ikea Breskar chopping board ($20) because the Stages one is much too heavy to easily lift. This one fits perfectly if turned sideways. The thin plastic cutting liners help me to easily move the chopped items into their colanders or cooking containers. Those black plastic Boholmen colanders (also Ikea, $2.99)are perfect for rinsing as well as for draining cleaning items.

I have two identical Hansgrohe pullout faucets as well as an instant hot, an air gap gd switch, and a soap dispenser. I reused my old faucet and found the discontinued matching faucet on ebay. The left faucet is on a dual activated tapmaster- there is a kick control on the sink side of the peninsula and a drawer activated control on the outside of the peninsula (thanks for plllog for her help with this). If you look hard in this picture you will see a red adhesive Avery dot on the bottom of the cabinet, that was to tell us where the kick control is. The right faucet has normal operation.

The pullout trash cabinet under the right deep part of the sink has a Blum electric Servodrive which pushes the trash open when I nudge it with my knee. LOVE this! The front is the regular trash and the back has the recycling. So convenient when prepping in the sink.

Someone asked me about the small open area to the left of the sink. That was unused filler space and it is only 16 inches deep due to the undercounter fridge on the other side of the peninsula, so I had them frame it out for the smaller cutting boards. It is only 4 inches wide and the opening is only 2.5 inches wide but it is very handy.
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After rinsing and draining the chopped cauliflower, it gets dumped into the steamer containers and put into the steam oven.
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Chopping board and liner gets rinsed and set to dry in the Ikea Boholmen dish drainer ($7.99). Thsi sits on my integral soapstone drainboard. Excuse the mail dumped on the eating area table and chair. Homework for tonight.

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On the other side of the peninsula is my coffee center.
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This picture shows my coffee drawer, the undercounter fridge with the milk and soy milk in it, and the coffee maker in relationship to the sink. The peninsula side tapmaster control is activated by depressing the face of this coffee drawer.
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OK, cauliflower has cooked and steam pans and water jug are rinsed and drying in and about the sink. My son is doing a photobomb in the picture with the tapmaster activation of the faucet from the other side.
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Better picture of the trash pullout. This is the standard Dutchwood pullout trash unit but I asked them to put in only one hard plastic unit and to leave the back open for my paper recycling.
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I use doubled regular grocery bags for my trash and the hard container is too large, so I store my extra bags underneath, ready to grab when I take out the full trash. You can see that I also store my extra paper bags for recycling right there also.
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Here's my Progressive collapsible dish tub that actually fits for storage in a very tight space under my sink.
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The next picture will show you the handiwork of a wonderful plumber who was here a full day to make this all work on the 18 inch side of the sink not taken up by the trash. Can you see my collapsible rinsing basket nestled in there?

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Oh I forgot to show you the toekick drawer which houses all the Kohler accessories as well as the additional Ikea cutting boards that I use. This toekick drawer forced the tapmaster control to the left and we are only just getting used to using our left feet for kicking it (hence the red Avery dot), but that is well worth the tradeoff for the local storage of all those items. There is also a hinged tipout face front but the internal drawer part is not yet installed.
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Whew that was much longer than I intended it to be. You made it to the end!

Here is a link that might be useful: scrappy25 renovation Part 2- Julia soapstone installed

This post was edited by scrappy25 on Tue, Dec 9, 14 at 23:15

Comments (14)

  • eam44
    9 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Your cabinets are beautiful. I'm amazed at how you've managed to use every micron and made your space so functional. You must have put a lot of thought into your design. Well done.

  • bbtrix
    9 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Scrappy, you have definitely put careful thought into your design and are reaping the payoff. I have been a long time member of GW and have learned so much from the members, most often in the background. Your kitchen is a wonderful example of the collective. I love your reveal as a story to remind us of all that has gone into your decisions. It's easy to forget all the details as our kitchens take time to evolve. I have looked forward to and appreciate your posts.

    Now on to the "kitchen cockpit". Oh how I love it too! I think you have effectively demonstrated how useful and effective it is. You've positioned your waste exactly where I have it and it works perfectly. Every day I'm so grateful I found this sink on gardenweb and thank the same folks you mentioned. I love your Ikea accessories. I wish I knew of them last week when I was at the store. I'm 350 miles away so will have to ship;)

    I also do my prep in the kohler and have a very large additional expanse of counter right across. It is so nice to spread out for large meals or multi cooks. I especially like that I've started to prep multiple meals at a time or do double quantities. It's so nice to have the space. My actual kitchen space is small and likely similar to yours but I feel is a very good, usable space thanks to all the knowledge I received here.

    I'm so happy you're install went so well and you are happy with the outcome! Thanks for sharing your adventure!

  • scrappy25
    Original Author
    9 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    One more picture, this is the drawer stack under the sink "ledge". You can see that the top drawer is cut down to accommodate the ledge but still hold all the contents of my "junk" drawer. Middle drawer holds all the kitchen cloths and pot holders, bottom is my collected recipes and cookbooks.

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    EAM44. , microns, LOL!!

    bbtrix, I get palpitations every time I see your gorgeous wooden counter with your Stages sink. Cool to hear that you are also using it as the main prep area and use the counter across from it. Although the sink is really large, I think that we agree that it is fantastic for small kitchens,
    Glad you are enjoying my story, I am missing a lot of acknowledgements to all those who helped or inspired me. Five years of trolling Gardenweb!

    This post was edited by scrappy25 on Wed, Dec 10, 14 at 22:42

  • ainelane
    9 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Hello Scrappy,
    Another wonderfully written post! It's evident how much thought and planning you put into your kitchen, and the results are outstanding.

    I have a question about this sink. Forgive me if I'm being dense! What is the idea behind having that "ledge" within the sink? What is it there for? Is the normal sink park then equal to say a 33" sink? Is it essentially a built in draining board area? I really love how you showed the pics of the accessories, but I'm not getting how the ledge is used.
    Thanks!

  • pinkpanther5
    9 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Ok, so I thought, a thousand bucks for a sink???

    Well, you converted me! Holy crap, now I want a thousand dollar sink.

    Awesome post, thanks for sharing.

    I'm thinking my husband might not be glad though! :-D

  • scrappy25
    Original Author
    9 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Ainelane, I sort of take that ledge for granted, it is the usual location for the black Ikea colanders that are draining cleaning implements I have defrosted meat on it and set bowls on it to push off smaller items (green onions, shallots) from the chopping board that are too small to go into the colander. Perfect for mise en place. Have you seen the Stages youtube video from Kohler? It is a must see. I will also link rjr220's review that shows how the ledge is used.

    pinkpanther5, come on over to the dark side! Seriously, you will not regret it. The Stages sink will end up being a small percentage cost of your kitchen renovation cost but you will spend more time with it than anything other appliance in your kitchen.

    Here is a link that might be useful: rjr220 Stages 45 review

  • ainelane
    9 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Thank you Scrappy for explaining this to me. I went to YouTube and watched the video. I'm really impressed :)
    I have been planning on going with a Kohler cast iron sink all along as I really hate stainless. However, this sink is causing me to question that!

    It's my DREAM to be able to have a sink where two people can use it at the same time. I doubt I'll ever have room for a prep sink, so this Stages could make my dream come true!

    I can see how I would end up prepping at this sink, instead of the peninsula prep area. That gives me a lot to think about as I really love being able to face out into the room while I prep and I wouldn't be able to if I put the sink in front of the window as planned.
    Maybe this sink will start a whole new trend of sinks in peninsulas! It really makes so much sense in your layout and I frankly never would have thought of it.

    Can I harass you with one more question?The website says the stainless is well insulated. Do you find it to be especially quiet or about the same as standard stainless sinks? I'd love to hear your opinion on that.

    Thank you for being so generous with your helpful posts!

  • scrappy25
    Original Author
    9 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Hi Ainelane, since the Stages comes with the bottom rack , and it is undermounted, I don't think that my pots have ever hit the metal. I just went and knocked on the metal and it sounds like a good solid metal, much different than my cheapie sink in m basement kitchenette.I don't see any insulation when I look from below. Curious, I looked it up the Stages listing and they are touting "SilentShield sound-absorption technology offers quieter performance", I honestly have no idea what that means other than that it seems to be on a lot of the Kohler sinks. Perhaps they have engineered something into the metal design?

    The inside deeper part measures 31 inches across. It is 9.5 inches deep and with the undermount it is deep enough that there is very little outside splashing when cleaning pots and pans.

    I LOVE my peninsula sink for all the reasons you mentioned. The two matching pull down faucets are like the Chinese lions that flank the front doors in China, they seem to stand at attention in the sight line. When I have company, I put the small drainer into the sink and pull out the heavy Kohler cutting board over it . Although too heavy to be regularly used, that board is a thing of beauty and creates more counter space. The white containers can also come out as needed to hold items for a buffet.

    pinkpanther5, I remember looking for cheaper alternatives and the Ticor 4000 for $400 would give you a similar design for the larger part of the sink (no ledge), but the drain is in the back center of the Ticor and does not allow the large pullout trash that the Stages does with its off-center drain. I think they are hard to find but they are still out there. That is worth considering if price is an issue, just add one or two integral drainboards to your countertop and you have most of the functions of the Stages sink.

  • ainelane
    9 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Thanks so much for the additional info Scrappy.
    I think I'm really strange, but it's mainly the sound of the water hitting the bottom of the stainless sink that drives me batty! I would love to know more about this sound insulating technology that Kohler is claiming. The sink in our vacation place is cheap, so maybe that makes all the difference.

    When I started my kitchen reno decision process (too long ago to mention) there was ONE thing I was certain about and that was no stainless single bowl sink.
    And yet, here I am, in love with the Stages 45! There is no certainty in kitchen design :)
    The most exciting part is that I showed DH the video you told me about and, although he's trying to play it cool, he's totally in love too ;)

  • CEFreeman
    9 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    I want to know, of all the magazines and bloggers who troll for (usually uncredited) pictures and kitchen info, why yours hasn't popped up all over the place. I do think it's only a question of time.

    Yours is the epitome of comprehensive, insanely useful and efficient storage. Thinking of all the how-to-create-storage articles out there, of course.

    Product reviews: Yours are more informative and tell why it works, vs. "Oh, this is great. I have lots of room."

    Just pretty design choices: Puts many, many published kitchens to shame.

    Talk about form before function because function is inherently built in from the get-go.

    Love reading your journey.

  • carree
    9 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    I have to applaude you. What a well thought out kitchen for function and good looks. I love my kitchen but I am having about ten v8 moments as I read your posts and cross posts. Still, it gives me pleasure to know that someone really has the ultimate in smart kitchen design. Well done!

  • scrappy25
    Original Author
    9 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Ainelane, I hear you on changes in plans! I am the queen of changes, two rounds with architects to expand the kitchen that went nowhere when the bids came in too high. So necessity became the mother of invention, forcing me to create a 2-3 cook kitchen in the existing space and optimizing every little bit of space. It became a better kitchen in the end and a much less expensive one than what was originally planned, allowing all the "fun" details that Dutchwood turned into reality for me. The Stages sink really pulled it all together. I have not noticed any hollow ringing to the sink when the water hits it but I may not be as sensitive to that sound as you are. Funny about the video- that converted my DH also!

    CEFreeman, that is the nicest compliment ever! It never even occurred to me that my kitchen would be magazine worthy, I think of its gold as mostly being "hidden" in functionality.They say that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery and so I thank all those many gardenwebbers who inspired this kitchen.

    Carree, "V8 moment!" LOL, I had to look that up, learned something today. Thank you for your comment, my kitchen was designed after having the luxury of 20 years living with the old kitchen and knowing exactly what worked and didn't work for us.

  • Ivan I
    9 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Scrappy (great Username, btw),

    What convinced you to choose

    1) Kohler Stages 45 vs their 36 model
    2) Kohler Stages vs The Galley or... (am trying to think of another ledged sink system...) What was your #2 choice beyond the Ticor you mentioned?