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Update on farmhouse plan (X posted building forum)

Posted by lavender_lass (My Page) on
Tue, Dec 20, 11 at 15:07

Well, to keep me distracted, while waiting for the endless paperwork, with the insurance companies...I've changed my plan a bit. After the whole 'pick up truck hitting our house' incident, I've decided to put some of the living spaces in the back of the house :)

So, here's a link to the building forum, if anyone is interested. I posted over there, to see what Summerfield thought and maybe get some help with the master bedroom. It's about the same size as before, but with a new addition for the master and a few feet on the front of the old porch, to make it a sun room. That bottom left corner is due south, so I think that's a good place for it...and I won't be sitting there at night, if a truck decides to hit my house! (Yes, I know...what are the odds, but I still jump a bit, when loud trucks go by. We're not that close to the road, but you hear everything, out in the country, since there's not much other noise.)

Hope you all are having a wonderful time getting ready for the holidays and as always, I appreciate all of your help, ideas and suggestions. You are all wonderful and I'm so glad I know you, even if we've never met, face to face :)

Here is a link that might be useful: Link to 'building a home' post


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RE: Update on farmhouse plan (X posted building forum)

Lavender, what you need are some really big boulders that a truck could not jump over to get at you. Surely up there in your big hill country, you have some giant ROCKS that could go in, and then have lots of short trees or big clumps of grass?

I don't know what tall grasses you have that grow in your part of the country, but down in Louisiana, they plant PAMPAS GRASS in the median of the Interstates. It gets so big and dense, that it stops vehicles from crossing over to oncoming traffic. Of course, you do not want it close to your house, because it also is so dense that you will have snakes and rats living near you. It also cuts like anything, if you get into it. I think they also call it "saw grass."

I am so sorry that the freak accident is giving you aniety attacks, but it is understandable.

You are in good hands if Summerfield is nearby. Whatever you do, do not forget that Smaller Homes is always your "other home."


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ML- You know, we don't have big rocks out here, but that would be a good idea. We're thinking of maybe railroad timbers, on end, with a chain swagged between. It would be a great place to grow more roses :)

I haven't actually had any anxiety attacks, I just find myself tensing up a bit, when big trucks drive by at night. Although I 'know' it's not very likely this will happen again, it still gives me pause. The other problem is that this guy STILL is drinking down at the bar and driving home, past our house. So, I will probably feel much better, when his rental agreement is up and he moves somewhere else!

Did you have any ideas about the master suite? You know so much about space planning and making the most of small spaces, I would really value your input. I'm looking for a bedroom (maybe 13' to 15' by 12' or so, with at least one wall of closets or maybe a walk in, but not some huge closet, like you see on HGTV. I mean you could put a couple of sofas, in some of those closets! LOL

The bathroom would be a single sink, toilet, claw foot tub and hopefully a separate shower. I think otherwise, the claw foot tub is always a little awkward...but for just taking baths, they're wonderful! I would still like to have a little chair or bench, like you see in some of the older homes. I'm hoping to recreate a bit of a 1920s feel, so let me know if you come up with any ideas :)


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Lavender Lass, I am SO sorry about what happened with your home. That idiot should be reported to the police if he is still drinking and driving, considering that he could have killed you. I would be livid seeing him back at the bar after that. Normally I mind my own business, but not in this case.

I looked over your floor plan and I like it. It flows very nicely and is open and airy. I like your idea about your bedroom being off the back of the house. We have our bedroom on the backside of our house, with a very pretty view, and it feels so private.....a true retreat that will be restful for sleeping. We didn't have to make it that way for actual privacy as we have built our home 5 acres back from the road, but the psychological feel is wonderful. We're still a couple of months from moving in. I can't wait.

I will tell you how we finally got our floorplan as perfect as we could possibly do for our new house. We built temporary studded walls and in some cases stapled cardboard on them to judge the feel. The wall framework was screwed in and not nailed so they could be unscrewed and moved easily. It was lightweight and easy for our framer to move around. We put an air mattress in the bedroom and made cardboard dressers. In the kitchen we made a cardboard refrigerator and stove. I used sawhorses to set up a "counter".We even made a big cardboard shower and moved it around several times before deciding on where it would go.

This took us a few weeks as we did this for ALL of our rooms. I would let things "gell" so I could go in and think about how things felt. We took "walls" down, put them back up.

I had a basic rough idea of what I wanted, and we were able to see where we made mistakes and where we had it perfect without costly changes. I was able to try ideas out first and saw that some I had would have closed in the feel of the house and made it awful to live in. We had our framer work with us doing this and it was well worth it. We now have a house that I walk in to and wouldn't change a thing. It flows nicely and has a wonderful feel to it. No one has a clue as they walk in how much time and effort it took.

We still joke about the walls that should just have had wheels put on them. If you have someone who will work with you on this, I would highly suggest trying it. It allows construction to begin and also allows you to get it right the first time. Paper drawings have limitations.

We did not hire a builder though. We are our own contractor so we had freedom in choosing how to appraoach building our home.

Sandy


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Your plan looks nice and cozy and I see you are sticking with the banquette plan (me too). Sorry to hear about the truck hitting your house; I am glad no one was hurt. Happy Holidays from my small house to yours!


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Sandy- Your house sounds so nice! Do you have any pictures, especially of the master bedroom? I need some good ideas :)

What a clever way to work out where you want your walls and what view you want to emphasize! I've never heard of anyone doing that before, but it's such a good idea.

Dilly- I'm glad you're keeping the banquette...it's going to be such a nice kitchen! I hope you get things worked out, with your cabinet company, because that's such a pretty sample you picked out. Happy holidays to you, too!


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Lavenderlass, I'll send some pictures your way soon. Right now the trim wood is sitting in the bedroom, but is being installed as we speak. We fired our previous helper and found a young man who works hard and is excellent with wood. All the trim is being made on site. Wish I had found him 8 months ago.

Be sure to go in your home as it's being built and reherse how you are going to move and function throughout. It'll avoid poor door swings, light switches that are in awkward positions, and ordering cabinets too wide that may cover a light switch you forgot was there. Just averted that issue in my pantry before they started building the cabinets. It's easy to miss little things like that. This process is all very tiring to do, but is better than tearing your hair out forever once in the house.

We built the house shell without a specific floor plan at all. We knew what size we wanted, where we wanted windows,the quadrants of the house where we wanted certain rooms etc. After that I figured as best I could how long a wall I needed for certain furniture to fit, like our bed and couches, dressers, adequate walking paths throughout the house.....and made sure the dimensions would work out for each room. I spent more hours than I care thinking this stuff through, and I don't plan on ever looking at another piece of graph paper as long as I live.

It took me two years to find a good kitchen cabinet place that would help design a kitchen the way I wanted, with quality materials. I had almost given up but this proves we should never give up.

We are ending up with a great house but I sure don't care to ever build again.


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Sandy- I know what you mean about graph paper! I'm not good at drawing, but I prefer it, at least when I'm still in 'planning' mode.

I've finally come up with something for the master bedroom wing. It's turned into a wing, rather than a suite, because as ML suggested long ago, french doors can close off a space very nicely, but you can still use it. I wanted to have access to both bathrooms, during the day, but have this one be more private, at night.

Here's the main plan...

From Lavender Lass farmhouse pictures

And here's the bedroom wing...with a few changes in the laundy room, due to moving the doorway. The french doors will either be solid or frosted, something to make them more private. I'd probably just leave them open, during the day.

From Lavender Lass farmhouse pictures

The washer and dryer (with small counter for hamper baskets) is on the other side, partly because of the doorway, but also it should be easier to vent the dryer. I moved the pantry to the wall that you see from the kitchen and put the 'flower sink' next to the sun porch. This is my old farmhouse sink, but it would be perfect for washing veggies or watering plants. The freezer is by the mudroom door...and the mudroom is mostly larger pantry space, with a bench and some hooks, and tool storage on the other side.

The bathroom has a claw foot tub, small chair, single sink, toilet (some plants) and the shower, which actually bumps a bit into the linen closet. I wanted a small linen closet, with shelves, just for sheets and towels. There will be some storage under the sink and I don't wear much make up or do a lot with my hair, so I don't need tons of room for that, either. I've gotten quite relaxed, since I moved to the farm! LOL


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Ooops! I forgot the hot tub...maybe off the den? That could work. I need to draw a new plan, showing the entire house on one piece of paper! :)


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LOL LL you just crack me up. DO NOT forget the hot tub. I really miss ours.

All on one piece of paper would be good. Can you do just straight lines and not swirl them around. It is really hard to see with so many lines. The second picture is so much better then the first one.


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Sorry I did not even get to preview that one. The cat was helping me.


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Shades- Sorry, I had drawn on that several times, but wanted to show my new kitchen plan. No excuse, but I was too lazy to redraw it :)

I'll try to get a new one (all on one page) and post it, for you. Say hi, to your kitty...mine likes to help me, too!


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Plan all on one page :)

Shades- Here's a quick sketch, so hopefully, it's easier to read. I think I could draw this, in my sleep! :)

From Lavender Lass farmhouse pictures


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So LL is each square two foot? I really like the master suite and the two doors into the closet.


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Shades- Yes, each square is 2 feet...and it looks huge, doesn't it? Oh well, it's better than trying to redo the upstairs, which would need too much support, all the way down to the basement. It's okay for an attic, but with claw foot tub, etc. it would not work.

Even though it's a little bigger, I'm glad we're keeping the separate dining room. It's original to the house and with the sun porch, I think it gives the place a lot of charm. I also like that the woodstove is no longer by the doorway, which is much safer, but still in the kitchen.

My friends and most of my family keep asking me...why don't you put a family room in? The living room is the family room...and I don't like a TV in the kitchen. I think kitchens are for cooking, baking and chatting. When I was growing up, that's where most of the family discussions (in a good way) took place and that would not have happened with a TV blaring, in the background :)

My husband does like to have his little 'away room' as ML would call it, so that's what the study is for, but it also makes a nice guest space, in case someone gets snowed in. That happens out here, as I'm sure you know! LOL

Anyway, thanks for looking and have a wonderful New Year!


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How do you access the courtyard?

Truthfully, I think I'd cut the section between the courtyard wing and dining room/kitchen, except for the mudroom, and put the washer & dryer in the mudroom.

I love the way your plan is progressing, but that's a lot of space used for extra seating and storage.


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Marti- I've been thinking about putting the laundry, in the mudroom, too! Maybe where I have those two pantries and put the sink, where I had the laundry.

Summerfield put a really nice desk in one of my other plans...and that wall behind the fridge (next to the sun porch) would be a good area for a desk. There's room for a chair, without being in the walkway.

The courtyard is more of an area to grow roses, without the deer getting into them...than accessing from the house. I want a place to have a view, from the sun porch so it's a nice garden area, but screens the parking area, which would be to the left of the house. That's where the driveway is, now.

Honestly, I feel like I'm getting close, but I could really use some help cleaning up the details. It feels a litle big, but I think I could use the space, since I don't want to expand the upstairs or the basement. Basically, besides the main floor, I have a smaller, unfinished attic and a rec room, in the basement.

I'm kind of picturing the kitchen area as being a great place for several people to work, especially when the garden is ready to harvest. The banquette is wonderful for shelling peas, decorating cookies, or just taking a coffee or tea break, while working. The dining room would be more for dinner and spreading out paper work. I don't like clutter on the kitchen table, when I'm trying to work...and it always seems like I have gardening books stacked somewhere!

As for the seating area on the sun porch...it would be wonderful, in the winter. However, if we ever needed to grow more food, I could turn that into a full time greenhouse and have tomatoes, herbs and other veggies out there :)


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Do people in your area have canning kitchens? I've heard of them but never knew anyone with one. I'm doing good to fill the canner one time with my produce so it doesn't produce a lot of heat for a long time.

I would really like to have my washer & dryer nearer the back porch so I wouldn't have to schlep wet laundry across the house when I want to hang it out. I'd also like the water-using appliances (washer, water heater, dishwasher) to somehow be off the slab so they wouldn't flood the house when they leak. (Twice!)


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I used to have a canning kitchen on our back porch. All nice and shady. I used to throw a towel over the cooling jars to keep breezes off them. Loved it out there. At another house the canning kitchen was in the garage. I have the gas stove on the front porch here. Would be really hot to be canning out there at the time canning happens here.

I like your new plan LL. It certainly should hold all of your family coming and going.

Here is a link that might be useful: Out door canning kitchen.


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I don't know anyone with a canning kitchen, but I know they were much more popular, back in my grandmother's day. She talked about helping with canning, back in Illinois, in the 1930s.

Shades- I'm glad you like the plan. It looks so big to me, because I'm used to my smaller plan. While that looked great on paper, when I started comparing it to what we have now, it felt too small. The bedroom wing (I think) makes it feel so large, but if that was upstairs...it would somehow seem smaller...but I do NOT want to have to climb stairs to get to the bedroom. I want this to be a home we can keep for a long time and not have to move, if stairs become more difficult at some point, in the future.

I showed my mom the plan, last night and she really liked it. She knows what works with our lifestyle and she liked that this would be big enough to have parties and family dinners. She liked the other plan, too...but now she says I can host Thanksgiving! LOL

She really liked the courtyard and said, while I could have a door from the house...she liked that it was only accessed through a gate in the front...like a secret garden :)

Oh, I found this picture on the Cottage Garden forum and I can't decide if I should do this with the front door or try to make it a door/gate to the 'secret garden' but I think this is wonderful!

From Snow White album


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I love that gate too. I've been trying to decide the same thing about our courtyard. Sometimes I think it would be great to have a door from the house so I can have an outdoor kitchen there, though I'm not sure I would really use it much. Trying to think which would be better for resale for us.

And like you said LL, you need to do what works best for your lifestyle, so disregard my opinions. I'm in simplification mode and finding it hard to think outside the box.


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Marti- I always value your opinions! Simplification mode is a good place to be :)

If I didn't have so many 'critters' trying to get into the house...and indoor kitties wanting to go outside, I'd probably put a door into the courtyard, where I have the linen closet. It would be a great access point, if I didn't have so many cute, but bothersome 'visitors'.

Nothing like opening the front door and staring at a huge racoon, porcupine, skunk or even deer! That's why I'm designing all these airlocks/vestibules. LOL


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Kitchen

What do you think of this plan? Same thing, but different layout in the kitchen...and I didn't put in all the furniture, in the other rooms. Maybe this is a little easier to read? :)

From Lavender Lass farmhouse pictures


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Ooops, forgot to add that each square is one foot. And, the door to the sun porch will usually be closed, so it won't be blocking the pantry. That's a broom closet, by the sink...which is now on the same wall as the laundry, in the mudroom (not shown).

Oh, and no steps down into the kitchen, just trying to show that you walk under a few stairs to the attic/second floor (future guest room space) and I think that gives a cozy/cottage feel to the kitchen entrance, from the hall :)


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And, looking at this...I think my baking area should move over a foot, so it's even with the bookcase. There's plenty of room around the range to shift everything towards the dining room wall, a bit. What do you all think?

Thanks for your help :)


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So here's the same plan, with the baking/stool counter, even with the books. I think I like this better...and the stools are now even with the wall oven, instead of the counter.

From Lavender Lass farmhouse pictures


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I really like this one. I can see the one above my post, but the one above it has a big triangle with an exclamation mark on it.


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Marti- That's because I forgot and took it out of my album...and then it puts up that crazy black box with the exclamation point! Sorry :)

I'm glad you like the plan. My mom and I were talking about it last night and we both agreed...my grandmother would have said I need to redesign the kitchen. Why would I want a blank wall, against the stairs? She was always one, for fuction over looks, every time! LOL


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Oh yeah, you doubled the workspace in your kitchen and made it a lot more functional.


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Summerfield- Wow! This is amazing! I'm just in awe of what you can do, with a floor plan. I'm going to show this to my husband and my mom...they're not going to believe how great this looks!!!

Thank you, so much and Happy New Year :)


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Aha, I see that the wardrobe closet is almost exactly as we did ours. You will have sufficient space for a LOT of stuff in that space. The one we built was only six feet wide, but 8 feet deep. The cab drawers/shelves was in the same spot either side as yours. But I did not put a spot for the shoes at the far end. It would be convenient to add a skinny chest in our closet there, but I'm not going back to that house before DH sells it. I said my goodbyes in November to that lovely cape.

A lot to like about your latest design, Lavender. In my case, though, I'd miss having natural light in the kitchen.


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Holy cow! That's amazing. Where has Summerfield been all my life? LOL!

The courtyard seals the deal for me! The mud and laundry rooms are to die for. I might need to move in, Lav. ;)


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Really is an amazing plan. Seems huge. But then you have such a large family I understand your needing larger then most of us.

Summerfield you do a beautiful job with these plans.


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Summerfield- This is such a wonderful plan...I just would like to make a few changes. The only thing I don't love is the master bath. Everything is great, except the shower/closet area. It just seems like everything is getting 'squished' over by the window and there's not much room around the sink. Could we move the door to the middle of the wall and slide the sink to the right? That would be so much roomier. Maybe a smaller linen closet in the hall? More like my bathroom plan, at the top? Would that work, in the space?

The only other changes are very small...switching the freezer with the broom closet and putting the TV back on the long wall. I like your idea of it in the corner (very cute) but the TV would be too small for my husband! LOL

What do you think about screening the entire deck and making it a screened porch? I'm tempted...that side is so hot in the summer and with the creek below, we get a lot of mosquitoes in the early summer. Luckily, the birds do a good job of controlling them, by July...but still it would be nice to have the BBQ and hot tub 'critter free' :)

I think the changes to the sun porch are wonderful! Such easy access to the courtyard. My mom has a calender of secret garden pictures and they're giving me all kinds of wonderful ideas. I can see something kind of english/lush with brick walkway/small patio...lots of climbing roses, clematis vines and honeysuckle.

Young- That's why I need that study/guest room! You'd better stop by, if you're in the area :)

ML- Good point about the natural light, but the sink would have a great view out the dining room bay window! I love how light and bright that area is, with the sun porch. The front of the house faces southeast and will be wonderful in the morning. The back of the house faces northwest...and I'm thinking about screening that entire deck. It's just too hot in the summer, to even sit on that side of the house, until the sun goes behind the hill.

Shades- It does seem large, but I've gotten so lazy (yes, it's true LOL) living all on one floor that I don't want to have to use stairs, any more. The upstairs will be unfinished, unless/until the nieces and nephews decide they need more overnight space. They're young enough to run downstairs, to use the bathroom!


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Secret Garden Courtyard

Here are the pictures I was talking about...aren't they beautiful? I'd love to do something overgrown and 'secret garden' style, with the courtyard! :)

From Courtyard Garden album

From Courtyard Garden album

From Courtyard Garden album

From Courtyard Garden album


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LL if you want the master sink closer to the door way then just use ML's bi-fold doors instead of a full swing door. Should be able to move the sink 15 to 18 inches to the right that way.

Gorgeous pictures of secret gardens.

I am just kind of cracking up at the master bath chair facing the toilet. I know I know I have a chair in the bathroom too. In the floor plan it just makes me laugh picturing two people sitting on their thrones visiting while one drinks tea and the other poops.


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Shades- LOL! I almost fell off my chair (just to clarify, my office chair) when I read this. After all the craziness with repairing the house this week, I so needed a good laugh! If you ever come to visit me for tea, it will NOT be served in the bathroom :)

I'm glad you like the pictures...I've always wanted an area, where I can plant some climbing roses. I think the courtyard would be perfect, since it's sheltered from the winter winds and the deer can't see them!


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lady lavender ... i can , of course , move the lr tv back , if he needs larger than a 47" set ... moving it to the corner allows you more seating , with a good view for everyone ... and the tv is not the first thing that you see from the foyer ... let me know ...

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Summerfield- That's a 47" TV...that's big enough! LOL I think the chairs balance out the sectional, and now he can have his big TV, too. Everyone is happy!

The bathroom looks so much more spacious. I love it! How did you do it? Wait, you made the hallway a little narrower and added a foot to the bathroom. That's a great idea! And the closet is a bit bigger, too. You are amazing!

Oh, I like the way the washer and dryer are now, opposite the sink and the window. That will be much brighter and the freezer, broom closet and pantry are all together. That works out, really well.

And, you screened the entire deck! This looks wonderful! Thank you so much for all your help and (as always) taking my ideas and polishing the rough edges. This is a beautiful plan and I so appreciate all the advice, suggestions and beautiful drawings! :)


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Oooh, pretty. Love that courtyard. How are you going to do the walls around it? Privacy level or lower?


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Marti- I was thinking about putting a narrow arbor across the wall of the sunroom/laundry and along the front of the sunroom. Kind of like Summerfield had in front of the dining banquette, in the old plan. That would be for wisteria and roses. The courtyard would probably be a bit smaller, maybe stick out in the front about 3'?

Then, a big trellis on the wall of the master bath, so we could have clematis, roses, honeysuckle, etc. The two outside 'walls' would be at least a 6' solid fence, maybe with a 2' lattice panel, above. I don't want to block too much sun, but it has to be tall enough, to keep out the deer. Against the fence, I plan to have some more vines/roses, so probably a trellis against the fence, too.

In front of the vines and roses, lots of perennials and some smaller shrubs. It would be great to find some more old brick (I have a bit) for the walkway and small patio area, in the middle. I want it to feel like a 'secret garden' and if possible, I'd love to put a door (like above) set into the fence...or at least a cool gate! Here'a a picture of the door, so you don't have to scroll up, looking for it.

From Courtyard Garden album

I just got back from doing my happy dance, after seeing my plan! I saved it as my 'Fairy tale farmhouse plan' :)


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I've been collecting courtyard pictures in photobucket. If you want to see them, I'll make a password for you.


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Thanks, Marti...I'd love to see them! I'm going shopping with my mom in a few minutes, but I'll be back later this afternoon. I'm taking my plan, with me! :)


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email me at a_quiltmom at yahoo


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Marti- Thanks for letting me see your pictures! There are some beautiful ones, but my favorites are the ones with the brick...especially old brick. There's something so romantic and 'secret garden' about old brick paths or walls, with lots of plants. You've given me some great ideas! :)


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Glad you liked them. I've been collecting all kinds of pictures for our future addition, remodel, and garden. I was wondering the other day if I'll keep them if we ever get done.


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Summerfield- I've been showing EVERYONE my plan and it's been a big hit! There's only two things I want to change.

I'd like to take the patio door, out of the master bedroom and just have a wall. I'd rather have a chair in that corner. The idea of having access to the porch is nice, but I don't think we'd use it very much. I'd rather have the privacy from the porch and have a little reading area.

The other thing...I'm still feeling like the master bathroom is a little tight. What do you think about this, instead? It hides the toilet a bit, from the entry and moves the door down, from being right across from the kitchen area. It also gives me a little more room, for the sink. As for the window into the courtyard, I'd rather not have one and put trellis all along the wall, so it looks like it's just wall on three sides.

Thank you so much for your help! Everything else was LOVED by all and they can't believe how wonderful the plan looks :)

From Courtyard Garden album


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Marti- Where are you planning to put your courtyard garden?

Even after you finish, you might want to keep some of your favorite pictures, to share with friends on GW. I keep a few kitchen pictures, even if they're not my style, just to show people what might work in their space :)


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That porch between the future dining room and the den. It will be easy to enclose and put beams across the top.


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Oh, Marti...that's going to be pretty! Are you going to grow any vines or roses, on the beams? Will you have a sitting area there? That's going to be so nice :)


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I'm not sure what, if anything will grow there. It takes a lot of heat from the afternoon summer sun right now. I hope after the dining room is built that it will shade it and I can grow more things. The only things I've successfully grown there now are yucca, rue, basil, and weeds. I tried a vine this past summer and nearly lost it before I moved it to the east side.


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Marti- Adding the dining room addition should give you more shade. Would it be enough for star jasmine? That's what I'd grow...and maybe some roses. That would be beautiful together. I know ML says the star jasmine only blooms for a few months, but up here that's a long time. My whole frost free season is about three months! LOL

The last few days have been really cold (9 degrees and then 7 degrees, for the lows) and I started thinking about something...would it be better to flip the bathroom and closet, so the plumbing would be on an inside wall?

It should work, with the bathroom plan I posted above, since the shower is now in the main space and not behind the linen closet. My only other question...should I try to fit in a little fireplace in the bedroom, for heating? When we have power outages, it would be great to have the warmth...and if I flipped the bathroom/closet spaces, maybe it would help keep the plumbing from freezing, too.


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I can't even imagine 9 months of cold weather. I don't know about your temsp, but here, if a wall is properly insulated, there's very little chance of freezing. We've never had a pipe freeze in a wall. However, we don't get your temps. We have about 3 months where temps could go below freezing, but those days are spread out over the 3 months.

Since it's not just your master bathroom, I think it would be inconvenient for guests if the bathroom were flipped, and how would you have privacy changing clothes if your bedroom were separated from your closet by the bathroom? Or am I missing something?

My only problem with a fireplace in the bedroom (and I realize I'm an oddity) is the smell of ashes. I wouldn't be able to sleep with that smell, and it lingers long after the fireplace has been cleaned out. A gas fireplace maybe though.


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Flipping bathroom/closet

Good idea about the gas fireplace, or an insert, with a glass door, that's air tight. We probably wouldn't use it, unless we had to, with a power outage. It would look nice the rest of the time, though :)

As for the closet/bathroom...believe it or not, I have that set up now! Long story, but our master bedroom is my husband's office space and I end up keeping most of my clothes in a smaller closet, in the hall outside one of the other bedrooms (now our room). I guess that's why I don't mind the idea of separate spaces, but having the hall door, to close them off, when we do need privacy.

It must be fun to have such a LONG growing season! We can have freezing temperatures 9 months of the year, but for three, it's often no colder than about 28 at night. In the winter, though, it's gotten down to -27 a few times...and that's cold! Here, you have to have all your plumbing on inside walls or double insulate the outside walls...or keep the faucets on a trickle, when it's cold.

Any time I start to feel sorry for myself, I take a look at Melaska's pictures on the kitchen forum. She's up in Alaska and they've had crazy amounts of snow...something like 12 or 15 feet and still counting. I guess it's all relative :)


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I don't appreciate our long growing season. The bugs and heat can get really bad before the summer is over. By August, I'm usually so miserable I would move almost anywhere cool. When I get that way, I try to imagine how it would be to live on the equator with no a/c. lol


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This is too funny! Both my mom and a gal on the Building a Home forum said basically the same thing...how many times do you run to the closet, in the middle of the night? LOL

I guess those are votes for flipping the bathroom and closet :)


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It's not going to the closet in the middle of the night, but in the middle of the day when there were other people in the house. lol

I like to get up in the morning, or at night after a bath and get my clothes out of the closet, or change clothes during the day. Just seems inconvenient to me. But if you're already used to it, it won't matter.

We used to live in a house with one closet for both bedrooms and it was at the far end of the house. If it bothered me then, I don't remember it.


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Okay, here's a quick cut and paste...with the bathroom and closet switched. I also sketched in a small corner fireplace, in the bedroom.

I wonder if we could put a BBQ on the back side, of that fireplace? My husband would love that! :)

From Courtyard Garden album


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Oh my gosh, I love this fireplace! This might work in the bedroom...maybe where the TV is now? Without the wallpaper...at least in this room.

From Courtyard Garden album

If I moved the fireplace, maybe I could put a leather chair in the corner for my husband...and a pretty window seat for me!

From Courtyard Garden album

To me, fairy tale style is rustic and romantic, at the same time. Too much of one or the other and it loses it's charm, IMHO :)


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Well LL I have to say it will be a lovely home. I would not want to be the one to have to keep all of it up.And heat it. How much more are you adding to the existing house? It looks so large now.Looking at your last plan and just realized it is only half the house. I hope your tax base is not all that high. I might be being too practical or just too old to want to have to take care of so much.

I do think in your cold climate it is a good idea to keep plumbing on inside walls when possible. We do have the kitchen on the outside wall and no problems. Yet. We did have trouble with the house we built and about one foot of copper we had on an outside wall but the garage was attached on the other side. You just never know where that cold spot is going to be. GGGRRRR

When are you going to start in on this remodel? Spring? I hope you will give us lots of pictures. You are a brave sole.


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Shades- Actually, if I added this up right, it's 2,029 square feet. It looks big, but I think if the bedroom wing were upstairs, it would feel much smaller. One advantage to this plan, is I'm not taking down any load bearing walls, which would be pretty expensive (like opening the other kitchen/dining area to the porch) in the old plan.

I'm still in my 'if I can do everything I want' phase of the plan. Reality and the budget, will hit soon enough...but I'm hoping to fit in most of my 'favorites' list and maybe add some in later, if necessary. The porch, the courtyard, even some of the fireplaces could be added later.

If I took off the bedroom wing, the earlier plan was actually bigger, with the greenhouse and laundry area. The old bathroom was the same distance back as the keeping room...I think this just looks a lot bigger! LOL

While it would 'feel' smaller, if we put the bedroom upstairs, it would cost a lot to reinforce the second floor (all the way down to the cellar) to support the extra weight. By leaving it as 'the attic space' it should be fine, as long as I don't add bathrooms or water beds, upstairs...and did I mention, I don't like climbing stairs! :)


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LOL I can not resist this comment. Forgive me it is all in fun. Have you considered a manufactured home? JK

I think you have way more energy then I do. There is no way I could keep up a house that large and would not feel comfortable. With your large extended family I do hope they will come help you clean.

LOL In our house I can plug the carpet vacuum into the guest bath which is kind of center to the house and vacuum the whole carpet part of the house with out having to switch plugs. Always a goal of mine. The floor vac needs to be moved a couple of times because it has a shorter cord. I can do a slap dash vacuum and dust in a half an hour throw in the bathrooms and swab of the kitchen add another half an hour. Then I am free to go about my day and play in the yard or go to work. ARGH

I just hope you are not creating a dream home you can not comfortably live in. Are you going to remove the manufactured home when the farm house is remodeled? If not set the family visitors up over there. When we put this place in we were determined to not have one cent of debt when we were done. I will say no more.


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Shades- LOL! Hey, you know a manufactured home can take a licking, or is it a truck crash...and keep on ticking! :)

I've become very fond of my 'tough guy' manufactured home and we'll keep it as our offices. The problem has been that while it's a fairly large double wide (probably about 1650 square feet) it's almost half office space, now. So, I'll have that to clean, too.

While I'm all for downsizing...my biggest challenge has been finding a PLACE for everything! It's almost harder to keep a smaller area clean, if there's no place for it to 'go' when it's time to put it away. My husband is great about helping me clean (especially dishes and vacuuming) so I'm lucky that way!

Since we've lived out here, our biggest challenges have been, when the power goes off. No electric, no heat, no water, no horse fence, etc. Everyone say to get a generator, but that's a short term solution. If we have a serious power outage, once the gas runs out...everyone else has generators, too.

That's one reason I'm trying to work in more fireplaces/wood stoves. Wood is plentiful around here and I have the room to grow it, if I need more. I have this feeling I just can't shake that we're going to need to be more self-sufficient in the future. When/if that happens, I want to have a big enough house that I'm not tripping over everyone, who comes to visit/stay temporarily. We're the ONLY ones of our friends/family that have property and only one other friend has a big yard with garden, chickens, etc. So, if that does happen....I'll make them ALL clean! LOL


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LL, so glad that you will have your chickens. I adore feathered creatures. A generator is a good deal, but if you can convert it to LP, instead of natural gas, you'd be well off. Also, do some solar power, or wind power. I bet you have LOTS of wind to charge up your batteries for lighting.

If it comes right down to it, in the Middle Ages, in Europe they kept their animals beneath the house. That was a source of heat because they did have a "mini ice age" you recall. Not to aromatic, but then farm animals put out a lot of heat.


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Plan

Shades- Here's the entire plan, with the bathroom and closet flipped. Does it really look that big? It's two bedrooms, two bathrooms...and I'm not adding any square footage to the upstairs attic. Maybe since I didn't draw the upstairs before, that's why this looks so much bigger? :)

From Courtyard Garden album

Did I show you the cool cabinets I found, when we were doing pink kitchens, on the kitchen forum? They're so pretty and I like how the wood, warms up the white!

From Pink kitchen

This was the fabric I used. I'm not really a pink person, but I like this...maybe I could use it in the sunroom.

From Pink kitchen

ML- I don't think I'm ready to live, above the animals. They do put out some heat (as does their manure) but I'm hoping we never get that desperate for warmth! LOL


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Well LL it is really hard for me to answer this. We do not have family so live in a totally different kind of world then you do.

I liked the floor plan linked below only the photo is gone now. But it tells the only additions to the farm house.

I am confused about the upstairs part. There are still two bedrooms up there? Did you mean the main floor not counting upstairs is 2029 SQ FT or does that include upstairs?

Honestly I am getting lost in so many spaces in this last plan.

Here is a link that might be useful: My favorite plan


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Shades- I've had two other plans that were my favorites, for different reasons! :)

With this plan, it is bigger, but I decided to keep the separate dining room, rather than trying to open up the space, so much. When my husband's family came out this summer (we were cleaning out the farmhouse) I couldn't believe how many memories of holiday meals and Christmas morning...were wrapped up in that dining room space.

Also, I've secretly always wanted a formal dining room, but my practical side always pushes for an eat-in kitchen. So....when everyone was talking about how nice it would be to keep the dining room...it didn't take much to convince me. That being said, I was also very fond of the banquette and wood stove, in all my earlier plans...so, I kept them both! LOL

And, yes, that does make the plan a bit bigger, but in a good way. I guess I'd rather have the extra space (and second downstairs bedroom) than try to keep the house so close to the original size. Basically, we're adding about 12' to the back of the kitchen (original part of the house) and the bedroom wing. A few feet for the sunroom (to square it off) and 3' for the vestibule. That's it. So, although it may be more work, I think it will give us a lot more space for entertaining and I can keep all the silver, crystal and china I've been trying to figure out what to do with! I've been collecting this stuff for years and I think it will be perfect on the shelves, in the dining room.

Thank you SO much for all your input and suggestions. It really helps to get everyone's opinion and bounce ideas off them, even if they don't always agree with everything I'm doing. I really think every single thing you all have 'said' to me has made this plan function so much better for us. I really appreciate it! :)


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LL as long as it makes you happy they that is all that matters.


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Thank you, but I still want you to tell me EXACTLY what you think...no matter what. I count on you for that. And, I hope you can really come and have tea...and get some lilacs...even if the house isn't done yet. You can see my almost completely repaired manufactured home! It's actually pretty cute, too :)


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LL I have told you how I think already. For me/us a smaller house is better. But I do not have family and that makes a huge difference.I never want to live in a larger house again.Been there done it and am over it. I like our smaller house and have learned to make it work for us. As far as finding places to put things I have turned a corner and I put the "Things" in some one else's hands to deal with. LOL Less is more for us.


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What about this?

I've been looking at every detail on the plan...and I only want to change one thing...more or less. I want to add one foot, to the kitchen and bedroom addition.

This would give me a little more space in the kitchen, between the stools and dining chairs, when people are sitting in them...and a little more space around the wood stove and french door. It would also be nice to have an extra foot, in the mudroom, between the cubbies and bench, just in case we decide to put a tool bench, where the cubbies are, now.

Last, I'd like to add one foot, to the closet area, in the bedroom wing...after flipping the bath and closet, like above. This would make the closet 8' wide and I'd like to put a bench area, under a tall window, for a small dressing area. It would be nice to have a place to sit down, put on shoes, etc...and I'm just a bit claustrophobic, so the natural light would be nice. Maybe on the courtyard side...something with a transom feel, so there's still plenty of privacy. I could move the door, to the hall and make the linen part of the closet, or keep it separate.

Everything else is just wonderful and I really like the way the sunroom and dining room borrow light and views, from one another. If they were more separated, I think the sunroom would feel too small. This way, they're both light-filled spaces, one for eating and one for sitting.

As I write this...there's several inches of snow falling and we're supposed to get at least another foot this week. Did I mention we have VERY long winters? And, work from home? It's going to be so nice to have a space that feels like summer, all year round!

Oh, and I did add an arbor, around the sunroom and over the window of the utility area. I guess that's two changes...technically. LOL I'd love to grow some wisteria and climbing roses, but I don't think I could do it without the courtyard. Those deer get hungry in the winter, too.

Shades- Are you getting all this snow, too?

Our friends saw five huge elk yesterday, as they were leaving our house. I never see elk here, but I guess they're around after all. Do you see any, in your area? At least, they're not in my garden...well, hopefully not. It's hard to tell, what's visiting at night :)


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Closet picture

Here's kind of what I want to do in the closet, but smaller, higher window and without the 'island' part. LOL I like the soft colors and the natural light, though :)

From Courtyard Garden album


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WOW Beautiful closet. I bet the bench on top of the heater is nice on a crisp morning.Chandelier is a nice touch.LOL


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Was tired yesterday and missed your question. We did get snow and it rained all night. Still raining today.

Also the other day when we went to town there was a large herd of elk at the foot of Midvale Hill. There was well over 100. they were beautiful. They were there a few days. Might still be we have not gone back that way since.

Mostly in town it is the deer that rob our gardens. LOL Funny. This fall because my hands were hurting so bad I did not bother to pull up the dead vines and zucchini LOGS left or missed. Well the deer came in and cleaned it all up for me. Learned I will just let it go in the fall from now on. What the deer left behind will make free mulch. I do not till anymore.


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Here's a quick change to the closet, to show the idea of the door moved and high window with bench.

From Courtyard Garden album

Shades- I'm glad you like the chandelier! Don't all closets need a little something, special? Hehe

We're still getting snow...which is great for the lilacs...but that's about all I can say :)

100 elk! Wow, we only see elk occasionally and rarely near our house. There are only about five deer that I see on a regular basis, but I'm sure there are more that don't come down to the house. A few of the does have come down with their babies and they're so cute! I'd rather hide my roses and mix in marigolds with my veggies, than miss those little sweeties. Why live in the country, if you can't see the wildlife? :)

How nice that the deer decided to clean up your garden for you! LOL Sounds like they're being pretty good neighbors, after all.


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LL if you did one of those sliding doors on your closet you would not waste the wall space inside the closet.

Door would slide across pantry wall.


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Shades- That's a good idea, but I think I may be making another change.

Bevangel (on the Building a Home forum) just made an excellent point...what if I switched the closet and mudroom, which would eliminate my long hall and I could move the hot tub, to that corner of the deck.

Then, the mudroom would exit, closer to the barns and parking and I wouldn't be tracking snow and mud, through my porch! The BBQ could still be behind a fireplace, just the one in the keeping room/kitchen. I'll definitely need that extra foot now, so the mudroom will be big enough for the main walkway...so 8' will be better than 7'.

This could end up functioning much better! I'm off to go make a few sketches :)


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Well, this is a very rough cut and paste...but what do you all think?

The closet and mudroom have swapped (on advice from Bevangel) to make access to parking and barns, much easier. I would like to add a foot (depth) to the mudroom, closet and keeping room area, to make things a bit less tight.

The length of the closet, is more than I need, so we could move the banquette to the left a foot or so, if that would make access to the screened porch easier. The BBQ should be on the other side of the porch, too...I forgot to move it :)

In the bedroom area, I'd like pocket doors, for the closet and bedroom, but the main door, would be off the hall. The access from bedroom to hot tub, could be by the fireplace, but I don't want a door from the bedroom/hall to the courtyard. It sounds nice in theory, but the indoor kitties need to stay indoors, which is one reason for all the vestibules, porches, sunrooms, etc. If they get outside, there are too many owls, coyotes, speeding cars/truck (like the one that hit my house) not to mention mean barn kitties, for them to be safe. Plus, I'd like to have a little water feature that we could put in that corner of the courtyard, by the utility sink. Just for summer, but it would be very pretty.

Anyway, that's the plan...and I know it's probably getting too big for the Smaller Homes forum...but I still value all of your opinions and I want you to remember that while I started the remodel, just for me and my husband...somewhere along the way, it turned into a place for family. My grandmother used to say that she was the keeper of the memories...no one else wanted to store them or share the stories...but she thought it was important. I'm the only one, who seems to want to do that, in my generation...and now I have not only our family's antiques and stories, but my husband's family's too. So, I guess the house plan has grown a bit, to include all that, too. When everyone else is downsizing...someone has to leave some space for all those things that have meaning, but no one wants to be the one to store. Anyway, I digress...here's the plan :)

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I like it. I can't tell if you have any plumbing on outside walls though. I know that's one of your concerns.

Did you say one time that you have trouble getting your drawings to scan right? You might try a black permanent marker. They make nice dark lines that are easy to see.


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Marti- Thanks. The plumbing is on the inside walls (which is much better) except for the utility sink. That could be turned off, if it gets really cold, but the courtyard should help block the wind, which causes most of the problem.

As for the lines...it's because I'm scanning a print of Summerfield's plan and I can't figure out how to make it any darker. Here's one more attempt, but I don't know if it's much better.

Oh, and I did put the bigger table back in the kitchen. Apparently my husband has plans for the other table, down in his 'man space' LOL.

From Courtyard Garden album


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Bevangel made a much nicer change to my plan. Thought I'd post it, for all those getting tired of my too light plans. I'd still like to add a fireplace, in the bedroom and maybe see if we can have the door open out, to the porch :)

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Oh I can see your plans the way you have them now. It just looks like a lot of work trying to make the lines dark enough. When I draw a plan in pencil on graph paper and try to scan it, it always comes out so light that the graph lines don't even show up, and I can't find any way to darken them. I finally started going over my pencil lines with a sharpie, and the drawn lines were much better.

bevangel did a good job with that. Wonder how she did that?


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Marti- First of all a big 'thank you' to Bevangel, for doing the cut and paste! She said she used 'paint' on the computer program. She has a detailed explanation, over on my post in the Building a home forum. It sounded complicated, but probably much easier, once you've done it a few times.

Let's see...so people don't have to read earlier posts...I still want to add one foot (in depth) to the mudroom, closet and keeping room. Also, maybe move the closet/keeping room wall over, so it's even with the utility wall...bring the banquette to the left enough to give a little more room for the (now main) door to the porch.

I really like the bathroom (Bevangel changed this) much better than my version. I still want to change the living room back to my earlier plan...mainly becuase the fireplace hearth (raised) sticks out 3' into the room...and there really isn't room for that second chair. And, I miss my corner bookcases. I have lots of books and display (see explanation/rant above, about no one else wanting to keep this family stuff) so I can use all the shelf space I can get! :)


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Oops, I forgot a few things. Also, want to add the high window in the closet, over a bench...probably where the shelves are, on the wall to the porch.

I'd like to add that fireplace in the bedroom. Maybe a window on the wall, to balance the door to the porch, with the leather chair in the corner (like earlier picture) and take out the windows, on either side of the bed. I like light on two sides of a room, but it's much easier to position the bed to fit in with the other furniture, without those little windows.

And...a pocket door for the closet...so I'm not blocking storage space, with the door. I'd also like one between the bedroom and bath/closet, in case I want to close off the sleeping area. My pet peeve is walking through other people's bedrooms, to use the bathroom, during a party.

What do you all think of the arbor, around the sunroom? I think we'll have to put a roof on the screened porch, due to all the snow. (Did I mention it's been snowing...constantly, for three days?) So, instead, I thought having a narrow arbor running around the sunroom and above the utility sink window, would be perfect for wisteria and maybe some climbing roses. It would provide a little shade, in the summer, too :)


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I definitely like the trellis on the side. I don't know about the front. I am so bad about imagining how something will look, and I can't remember what the front will look like.


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Well, not like it does now, that for sure! LOL

Here's what the house looks like now...

From Farmhouse pictures

The front door opens right into the dining room. What I'm calling the foyer, in the plan...is a little connecting space between the old part of the house and the new part...or the dining room and the living room. Way back when, it used to be a very small bedroom, but now it seems like the obvious place, for the entry.

From Lavender Lass farmhouse pictures

The vestibule will be very similar to this style. I love this arbor, but I discovered it totally blocks my lovely 'secret opening' in the lilac shrubs, which connects the farmhouse to our current house...or at least the yards.

Lilacs in fall (entry all the way to the right) between the apple tree and shed...

From Lavender's Garden

See how it almost disappears, in the winter...

From Lavender's Garden

The sunroom will be the same as what you see now, but will come out even, with the front of the house. I think the arbor will give it some personality, some shade (that's the south corner) and keep the bay window and vestibule from seeming like they stick out so much. Since the courtyard comes forward, too, I thought the arbor might soften things, a bit.

Something like this...I love the wisteria :)

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WOW that wisteria picture is Gorgeous. Can;t wait to see more of the farm house.


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Shades- I thought I posted some of these...but here they are :)

This is the porch, with a very cool door I didn't even really notice, until I took the picture. The wood door, although the screened door would be nice, with new screen LOL.

From Farmhouse pictures

This is behind the house, but it gives you a good idea of the view.

From Farmhouse pictures


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Oh that is a cool door. Looks like you have a lot of work ahead of you.


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Cool door I love mine in the master as a window treatment. I took the screen out. It is now painted white but I might do it back to green just not as dark as it was.Waiting to decide if I keep the bathroom white or paint it a color.

You better keep that baby it is a beauty.

That is a Gorgeous view.

STILL pouring rain here LL/

Here is a link that might be useful: Door Window. LOL


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Shades- Oh, that's cute! What a clever idea :)

Marti- You're not kidding! It will be a lot of work, but if we don't do it, the house will eventually fall into disrepair. I think it has a lot of potential. The good thing is that the porch and back bathroom are probably in the worst shape. The dining room, living room, study/bedroom and bath we're keeping...are not in too bad a shape...and the living room fireplace is definitely a keeper! The kitchen is going to look so different, with the addition...I think it will really be the heart of the home :)


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Summerfield found a way to make everything we wanted, fit together perfectly! I wanted to show you and thank Summerfield for the beautiful plan! :)

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Wow! This is the best yet. Definitely a keeper.


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Thanks, Marti! I am so excited...we finally have a plan that takes advantage of the great views out the back AND the great light (southeast) in the front, for the garden. Did I just admit, we ended up designing a house, to suit the garden and views? :)

Seriously, this is a wonderful plan (thank you Summerfield) and I can't wait to show our contractor tomorrow, who will be out to finish our porch. Almost back to normal, after the 'truck hitting our house' incident. What a relief!


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Do I need more light in the kitchen?

I've been 'living' with the plan these last few days...and there's one thing I miss...natural light, in the kitchen. I really love my big window, over the sink that we have now. And, I wish the sunroom was a little bit bigger.

So, here's the kitchen plan

From Courtyard Garden album

I'm wondering if switching the sink and range would be better, if the sunroom was extended another 10' back. The 'north' wall of the sunroom, would be where the new addition starts...basically the 'south' edge of the fridge. This would make the sunroom big enough to put a large window over the sink...looking through the sunporch and out to the courtyard. I had this in the original version...and I miss it.

Now, the downside...I don't know what to do with the rest of the plan. I'm thinking laundry/mudroom, opposite the sunporch and scoot the screened porch over, so it's just behind the keeping room. The bedroom wing would still be in more or less the same location.

I went out and really looked at the parking area...and it will mainly be towards the front, easily accessible to the vestibule door. The barns, would be out back and with the screened porch moved over, maybe just a small covered porch, off the mudroom.

Any other ideas? While part of me feels like I'm creating more problems, I also know one of the best things about the remodel would be the french doors, out to the sunroom (from the dining room) and the great views, out the kitchen. With the screened porch, there won't be that much natural light in the rest of the keeping room. While that's fine (I can use bright colors) I would really miss the light, over the sink.


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My messy plan :)

Well, it's late and I was in a hurry (sorry the plan is not nicer) but just wanted to do a quick sketch of the sunroom with window, over the kitchen sink. All this gloomy weather (first snow and now rain) has me thinking that I can use all the sunlight I can get! LOL

From Courtyard Garden album

Now is the part where I get stuck. I can't go back too much further, but the bedroom area could go a little further 'west' or the closet could end up in the bedroom, instead of a separate space. And, while I like the fireplace in the bedroom, it's a splurge we don't have to have. Any ideas? Thanks for looking :)


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LL you were going to show the plan to your contractor. Did he have any comments on the feasibility of what you want verses what the little farm house will handle as far as remodeling?


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No, not yet. I wanted to work out all the 'kinks' in my own mind, before I show him the plan. I know he's going to have a question about the roof lines. That's going to be a tough one. I'm hoping the sunroom will be easy to add on (where the existing porch is) and maybe the bedroom addition can just be a separate wing. As the addition 'moves south' it not only shrinks my courtyard, but makes the roof lines much more complicated.

On a brighter note, the porch (on our current home) is almost done and it's beautiful! The wall, bay window, siding, etc. were all repaired right before the snow hit...but it's so nice to be able to go out the front door, again. Bringing home groceries or getting home at night, it was not easy walking around the back of the house, to get in :(


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Shades- What if we put the master bedroom, where we have the study, now? If I can work out the roof lines, I think that might work. Then, we could have the laundry/mudroom and second bathroom (with claw foot tub) behind the sunroom and courtyard.

The tub doesn't have to be in the master bath...in fact, it might be better if it's not, since I want it more accessible to everyone. Claw foot tubs are so wonderful! I could see a pedestal sink, toilet, the tub...a small chair and maybe a little armoire for linen storage.

This might work out well, since the second bedroom would be for a study and guest space, for my mom. I don't want her to have to go up and down stairs...and she'd love that tub! Maybe with a view, out to the courtyard? :)

What do you think? Here's a rough idea...

From Lavender Lass farmhouse pictures


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Roof lines

Oh, and when I say I have to work out the roof lines...I mean just have a rough idea how I want the gables/additions to work. My contractor is not an architect, but once we all decide on a plan that should work...then I'll go see an architect, to see if there's anything we've missed.

As for the porch, off the keeping room...we may go back to that being a deck with a pergola above, rather than having a roof. All we really need screened is the hot tub :)


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LL I REALLY think you need to talk to your contractor with some idea of what you are wanting to do. To me working it all out on paper exactly how you want it and then it is impossible to do in reality seems like a huge disappointment brewing. Ask me how I know. I did exactly this with a manufactured home and ever since I have been heart broken we did not get that house. This house is great but that one was a dream come true.

I am so confused with what you are trying to do I can not even think. I still go way back to the plan you had all worked out and I posted the link to but I do not remember where.To me it is way too many rooms too cut up. It is confusing to me. BUT it is you that has to live in it and pay for it.

So glad you got your porch fixed. We just got home and it is gorgeous out on our porch right now. I might just go out there and enjoy my coffee before the sun goes down.After I vacuum. The dogs trashed the place while we were gone with their rope toys. LOL


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I don't know LL, moving the sink & stove seem like 6 of one and half dozen of another. You're trading viewing out across the dining room to a window for viewing across the sunroom to a window. Personally, I'd like the sink where Summerfield put it so the noise of the vent hood isn't as loud in the dining room if you have to leave it on for awhile after cooking.


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Okay, I just talked to my contractor! He really liked some of the inspiration pictures I have...and wanted to take some, to show another client, especially this cottage exterior.

From Lavender Lass farmhouse pictures

This wood stove (which I really like)

From Courtyard Garden album

And Young-gardener's kitchen inspiration picture...thanks, Young :)

From Courtyard Garden album

And, after showing him some of the different plans (he was VERY impressed with Summerfield's software) he liked this one the best. It would be much easier with the roof lines and easier to construct, although he said we could figure out the bigger one, if I really loved it. What's funny...I showed him this one first...probably because he liked the cottage exterior shot, so much! Sorry, it's so light, but it's an earlier, cute cottage version...with the corner banquette. Having the bigger plan, helped me realize what we really wanted and what we could live without.

From Courtyard Garden album

I want to thank everyone for all their help...especially Summerfield!...but I'm thinking smaller may be more what we need and more importantly, can easily afford. I need to save some money for MORE GARDENS!!! LOL

You all know me, so who knows what I'll come up with next, but this one looks like an easier fit, very fairy tale and probably enough room, with the back porch. I'll probably add a few feet and make it a sunroom/porch, so it could also be used as a guest room.


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Here's a much easier to read plan, just imagine a slightly shorter dining area (it's about 6' back from the corner) with the corner banquette...and maybe a desk area/hutch combination.

From Courtyard Garden album

Right after I typed all the above, I realized that the bathroom windows overlook the back screened porch, so that will probably stay a porch, not a guest room.

What's funny...I just talked to my mom and she said "how about a guest house, off the mudroom/greenhouse area? Then I could take advantage of the greenhouse space, too!" LOL Now, that's a good idea! :)

Sorry, if I seem a bit giddy, but I just finished ALL this quarterly/year end paperwork and finally had the contractor look at my plans. What a day!


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Yippieeeee I think this is the one I liked the best or close to it. It makes so much more sense. you are using rooms for more then one purpose. More a small house concept. there is still lots of rooms and places to enjoy. there appears to be more light in this plan. I can get excited about this one.

Mom has a great idea on guest house as needed. You could also jazz up the living area in the office home you are in right now for a fun guest house. Pare down the things and make more living space more livable. I know you said you might turn it all into off but do you really need it all office? Maybe one bit for guest house.

If later on the family needs to move in or back in you can always add on. Save all the added cost of maintaining all the years for what if for the time you might need it and in the mean time enjoy your yard.

Oh Goody when are you going to start on this?

SO gad you got your book work done. I know that giddy feeling.


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Shades- LOL! I thought you would all think I was a flake, for being so all over the place, lately :)

I'm so glad you like this one...I wondered if that's what you were talking about, in the earlier posts. This has always been my favorite 'smaller' home...and you made a very good point about how much work it would take to clean a larger one. That would seriously cut into my gardening time!

I'm still a little nervous about having all the main living areas in the front, but my husband and our contractor said we could easily build some kind of barrier, much more easily than adding on so much to the house. Plus, we don't have to heat or clean that, but I might be able to plant some roses or other flowers on it...

As an aside, there have been two other homes hit by cars, in the past few weeks. One outside of Spokane, where a car crashed into the corner of a manufactured home and last night in Spokane, a car crashed into an apartment. They showed pictures of the apartment on the news just now, with the wall pushed in and said the baby's crib was pushed across the room, by the impact...with the baby in it! Thank goodness, she wasn't injured, but she easily could have been. And, we've been having rain lately and I don't think the roads were even icy...so probably just drunk/idiots/both on the roads, when they shouldn't be. Sheesh!


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Lady Lavender ...

pleased to see that you have completed the repairs to your house :-)

i was thinking about a possibility ... in renovating the old farm house , do you really need an additional bedroom ?
since you have the current home , which you will continue to have , and use , as office space ... why not keep a bedroom and bath , there , to use for guests?

i've reworked your farm house floor plan ... made it smaller , with roof lines that will work , and in keeping with your "inspiration" cottage ...

i'll attach them , here ... let me know your thoughts ...

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Summerfield- It's just beautiful! Wow! Thank you :)

You're right, we could have extra bedroom space, in our current home...and we would have the space upstairs, too.

This is just amazing...and the exterior is so lovely! I hope we can fit all this in...I'm going to do some measuring and let our contractor see this...but it's just perfect, as far as I'm concerned! Thank you so much :)


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Summerfield- I posted this new plan, on the Building a home forum, too!

As beautiful as this plan is...just in case it won't fit in our space...could you do an updated version, of this older plan, with the extra foot in the mudroom and the covered deck...and two feet on the back porch/sunroom?

Although this is smaller, I know it will fit in our space and I have to find out how far we have to be from the well (back right corner of the house). The bigger plan is beautiful, but I'd like to show them both to our contractor.

Here's a quick cut and paste of your earlier plan...and the pergola is a bit smaller, to allow for the access through the lilac hedge, to our current home. If you could, I'd love to see the exterior of this home, too. That way, we could look at both plans and see which one would work better and give us all the space we need, in the remodel. Thank you, so much! :)

From Courtyard Garden album


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I meant to add...there's only one step up to the front of the house, but three or four, on the back, due to the slight slope, down to the creek. So, the pergola can just be a step up, too. I'm thinking of a swing on the right, with the chairs and table, on the left :)


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It looks like there isn't enough room for the bathroom bumpout, in the new plan...and the hot tub area would be too close to the well. It's the kind of well you can actually climb down into (all cement) and it's pretty cool, but my husband was not in favor of digging too close to it...so it looks like the smaller plan is the favorite, right now.

That being said, I'm still having second thoughts about the corner banquette. While I love the way it fits into the corner, it would be hard to imagine a bunch of big guys sitting there, when my husband's friends stop by for drinks and snacks! LOL

So, here's the single banquette, with (supposedly) six feet set back from the keeping room corner. I don't know how accurate this picture is, but if there's room, I'll probably add a buffet table that could double as a desk.

Sorry, if you're all getting very tired of my plans...but I do think we're getting close. It really helps to talk about it with all of you, even if you don't want to comment...thanks for looking :)

From Fairy tale cottage


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LL I like the single bench banquet better then the corner one. Maybe I am biased because this is what I have used at our last house. Will also use it here too if we ever have a sit down dinner again.

Also like the buffet desk combination piece idea. This way you can still enjoy your sunny dinning room and have it as a serving space when needed. I love double duty furniture. Even at regular desk height it will work great for a buffet. I used to pull up the island at our last house to use as a buffet.

You have to use your imagination a bit here. The fold up table with cloth fits over the top of the trunk. I happen to use that trunk to hold extra pantry items. Flour ,sugar beer,wine and gallons of whatever, vinegar syrup. Oh and the bread machine.

Then I bring the captains chairs up to the table and then roll the island around cross way as a serving buffet. It really worked well as I would prep at the sink counter area and set it out on the island. then we did not have to clutter up the table with large serving containers. And of course I did not have to worry about hot pots hurting my mosaic top desk. And the top held the heat in the foods.

At this house if we do a dinner party I will either set the food up on the Hoosier pull out tray or the long counter.

Here is a link that might be useful: Last kitchen.


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Shades- That's a great room! I love all the windows and the banquette is very nice. I like the way your furniture serves more than one function :)

I like the single banquette, too...especially if it's our only table. While I love the idea of the corner banquette, I can see it being too 'close' for some dinner parties! If it's just me, my mom, the nieces and nephews...it's all fine, but when I pictured three of my husband's friends all 'snuggled up' together...LOL! Well, that kind of made the decision, a little easier.

I think it will work out much better with the windows, too. I like the way your windows wrap around two sides (like this porch) and how good the banquette looks, in the space. Now, I just have to figure out countertops!


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Banquette

Shades- If I do go back to the single banquette, I think an arched window like this one (although it's over a sink) would look wonderful! What do you think? Maybe a smaller window (with window box outside) for the other wall?

From Fairy tale cottage

Although the light is great, it does face the road...so not much privacy, at night. I guess that means, I'd only need the arbor on one side, but that might look better, anyway. Then the pergola, over the living room, would be the focal point, on the front :)


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LL that is a Gorgeous window and kitchen. I do enjoy the windows at this house. That last house(picture) felt like we were dinning outside with all the windows around. We have that here in the living room and both of us really like it.

I think we have 46 inch windows four in living room and the lighted door. And one in the dinning room and two 30 inch windows on the kitchen wall. when the sun is shining it is really bright in here. Some times too bright. I have to draw the blinds a little.

We are so right on the road but the shade cloth on the porch really makes the house feel private. We can see out but traffic people can not see in.


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Shades- All your windows are so pretty, in that picture. I like having lots of light/views, too. Shade cloth sounds like a really good idea. I didn't think about the privacy...but that's a nice benefit, too :)

I posted this on my unfitted kitchen post, but I wanted to get your input, too. I've been debating about putting the washer/dryer in the mudroom (for various reasons) and a fireplace type of surround, around the wood stove. I don't like the idea that a hot surface would be so close to the entry.

So, that being said...I was playing around with some new ideas for the kitchen. I'd like to have a bigger baking area and maybe a little place for marble, out of the main work space. Then, it hit me, what if I moved the wall oven/microwave into the pantry area (I still have the range oven in the kitchen) and I could put the baking area, between the wall oven and corner pantry.

I have the farmhouse sink (with the drainboards on each side) in the pantry, for watering plants, washing veggies, arranging flowers, etc. The main sink (maybe a farm sink?) would be for clean up (especially big mixing bowls, pans, etc.) and the little bar/prep sink on the island, is for drinks and washing produce, out of the fridge.

Although it's just the two of us, most of the time...we do have a lot of people over in the summer and at 'harvest time' so the extra room is really nice. What do you think?

Oh, and I'm thinking the marble in the baking area, blue countertops on the L part of the kitchen, and butcher block on the island...and maybe around the pantry sink.

From Fairy tale cottage


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LL That picture is not this house but the last house we lived at.

I think it is a great idea to put the wall oven in the pantry. This would keep too much heat out of the kitchen when possible at times you are serving up big family dinners. I did have a double wall oven at one house and no stove oven. there were times I used both ovens but have lived most of my life with only one oven.

I think having that pantry room used as a baking kitchen would be good too so you could be doing up diners and some one else could be doing up deserts.

I think I told you we had a house with laundry just around wall from kitchen and I used it for my milking kitchen and also the deep laundry sink was great for soaking pots while we were eating. AND a few times I had some one helping me do dishes each of us at a sink and it really went fast that way. Also took a lot of the dish washing noise out of the eating area of the kitchen.

Here is a link that might be useful: Laundry room sink


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Shades- I like your sink! That's a great idea, to be doing dishes in two sinks at once, after a big get together.

I have always wanted two ovens. Four burners have always seemed like enough, but there are so many times when I'm baking meats, potatoes, casserole, etc. and I'd love to pop in biscuits or cornbread...but the temperature is completely different. So normally, the food sits for 10-15 minutes, while I bake the bread...then the food goes back in, for a few minutes. Another oven would be wonderful!

Here's a plan, showing the new kitchen layout. I still need to make a few changes, but it's pretty close to the way it would look. Ideally, the fireplace is 3' deep, there's about 6' of space, on the window wall in the keeping room area, before you get to the dining area. And, I'd like to add 1' to the mudroom and 1' to the covered porch (depth) and that would give me 2' more in the screened porch. Much more comfortable.

So, what do you think? Even though this is my smaller plan, now the kitchen feels much larger, than the larger plans. I would much rather have the baking area and the greenhouse, than the second dining room. That was more for everyone else...and this is definitely me :)

From Fairy tale cottage


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Lavender - will you be comfortable putting the casserole or biscuits you just took out of the wall oven directly on the marble? That is your only landing zone near the wall oven/microwave. I guess you could make sure you have trivets in the drawer under the marble, but I wasn't sure if you would have drawers here since you are looking to do an unfitted kitchen. Do you see this as a table with a marble top or cabinets with a marble countertop?


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Marble...all marble! LOL

Seriously, it will depend on what I find. It might be wood with a marble inset or a big piece of marble, with some wood cutting boards.

Casseroles would be in the other part of the kitchen...much messier. This is mainly for breads, desserts, biscuits...and I like patina. Especially when it's not in the middle of my island, where everyone stares at it, while they're sitting there! :)


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