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This breakfast table is, according to my mother, red maple. I've stripped it, sanded (by hand) with 120 followed by 220...done the mineral spirits test...and I think I'm ready to finish.
This table has seen hard use...and I'm not trying to make it look "new"...the remaining stains are part of it's history. But Elder Son needs a table to take to grad school...so I decided to refinish this one. I was thinking of staining with Minwax Colonial Maple oil stain and finishing with satin polyurethane...I figured poly would give it a little more protection against the beer I know will end up on the table... Here is a picture with one of the legs:
And the stains that won't come out:
SO...with all that in mind...
I don't know why I'm anxious about doing this. It's not a precious antique...it's probably circa 1940. Should I just dive in? thanks for any/all comments/advice/thoughts.
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- Posted by bobsmyuncle (My Page) on Mon, Jul 13, 09 at 19:03
| 1) I've read that I need to use a wood conditioner and THEN stain...is that correct? > Maple tends to "blotch," that is, absorb some stains unevenly. Wood conditioners are supposed to help. The problem is, they don't work very well, particularly when used as directed on the can. The one in the yellow can is simply a highly thinned varnish. It works better if you let it dry overnight instead of following directions on the can. But a much better approach is to use a good gel stain. Minwax oil-based stains are often a blotch problem because most colors have a lot of pigment in them and that is part of the problem. I would recommend samples to make sure your selected stain works the way you think. You should consider running tests on the underside, stripped and sanded as the top side. Be sure to add finish to get the final effect of the stain + finish. 2) Do you think Colonial Maple is the appropriate stain for this piece? It's pretty close (at least on samples) to what was on the table before 3) Is satin poly (oil based) the best choice for a kitchen table that's going to get abused? I'd considered something like waterlox...but then read it might not hold up to the abuse I'm pretty certain it will get. 4. Sand _lightly_ with P320 or P400 sandpaper. Remove defects and create an evenly dull surface. Wipe off dust as before. Thin varnish 9 parts varnish to one part thinner. Apply as in step 3. 5. Repeat step 4, if needed or desired. You will, of course, do the legs at the same time as the top. I'd probably use light gray or maroon 3M Scotch-Brite pads instead of sandpaper, as it will conform to the shape a little better. In the beads and coves, run the brush around the feature, not with the grain. Alternately, you can wipe on a varnish: Repeat three times So you have 9 coats, three per day over three days. This is about equivalent in time and build to 4 coats of brushed on. You don't need to develop good brush technique, clean brushes, and it's generally fool-proof if you can follow instructions. Just about any mistake except blotching can be recovered from by stripping and starting over. Love the sawhorses in the kitchen. |
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| That's our "second kitchen"....used to be the kitchen for the basement apartment we rented out...now is DH's office. (He works from home when he's home...he travels frequently.) I moved the table in there when it started pouring. The tarp I had tossed over it wasn't holding up to the wind and rain. It's supposed to be really dry for the next couple of days...I'm planning on moving everything back out to the lower deck...at least for the staining stage. Might do the poly inside...we shall see. It's a really well ventilated room...but a little small. Thank you for the step by step...I'll read through it carefully and evaluate. I have good "brush technique" ...I am a pretty accomplished brushwoman...at least with paint. I don't know why I'm so freaked out by this project...I've painted the entire interior of all the houses we've lived in. AND repaired the plaster. Just never done bare wood with stain/varnish before. I promise to post pics of the finished table. I have the chairs that went with the table...if I'm feeling REALLY ambitious I may try to re-glue THEM. (They are in several pieces.) Have to have the table finished before we head to the beach for two weeks on 7/25...Elder Son is moving to Blacksburg shortly after we return. Thanks again for the support! melanie |
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- Posted by bobsmyuncle (My Page) on Mon, Jul 13, 09 at 22:12
| The biggest difference between varnish and paint is "don't put it on too thick." I see this in every finishing class I teach -- there is always one student that we have to wipe off the varnish and start over. |
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| Oh...I don't like to put the paint on too thick either...two thin coats is always better than one thick one. I'm going to seal the piece today...and then stain either LATE today or tomorrow...with finish over the next few days, weather permitting. I may have to bring the piece inside for the finish stages...the humidity and heat are supposed to come roaring back tomorrow or the next day. Wish I had a garage...and not just a lower back deck with a leaky roof. Ah well, life is good. Thanks again for your advice. melanie |
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Well, here is the finished product. I'm not 100% satisfied...there are a few brush marks...but it is certainly "good enough."
Thank you for all your help! |
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| Mel, it's gawjus :-) Lucky Elder Son. KarinL |
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- Posted by bobsmyuncle (My Page) on Wed, Jul 29, 09 at 20:28
| Glad it worked out well for you. If you really object to the brush marks, sand lightly with P400 grit sandpaper on a sanding block, wipe off the dust and apply a VERY THIN coat of finish lightly thinned with mineral spirits (assuming an oil-based finish) and it should level out fine. |
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| thanks for the kudos, karin! Elder Son was pleased. Sorry so late checking back in...I'm at the beach and not logging in regularly. I asked elder son if he wanted me to smooth out the finish...HE thought it looked "great" so I'll probably leave it. If it were living in MY house I'd for certain do another lightly thinned coat. Hazards of perfectionism... Luckily the table is headed to Blacksburg in ten days.
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