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why do these two circuit breakers have screws holding the in on?

sue_b
13 years ago

Hello and thanks for being here to help us average citizens! I will call an electrician but first I'd like to understand what this might be. Below is a photo of our circuit box in a 50 year old home. 5 years ago a professional remodeled our kitchen and a licensed electrical contractor was on the team. The two circuits with the silver 'screws' through them are for our microwave/convection and refrigerator. The silver 'screws' are holding the circuits on 'on'. 10 months ago during a bathroom remodel a different contractor needed to add a new circuit to support a ceiling ventilation fan/heater. We did not notice the screws holding the kitchen circuits 'on' until now. The microwave/convection appliance is not working and we want to trip the circuit to reset/reboot it.

1. Why would a contractor put screws through circuits to leave them 'on'?

2. Is this dangerous?

3. Can we take the screws out ourselves?

4. What is your professional recommendation about what we should ask the bathroom contractor to do, or ask the kitchen remodeler electrical contractor to do?

Thanks in advance for advice.

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Comments (10)

  • brickeyee
    13 years ago

    "Why would a contractor put screws through circuits to leave them 'on'? "

    No idea, ubnless it was a reminder to the workers to not turn off those circuits.

    It will NOT actaully hold the breakers on though.

    All breakers are designed to open even if the handle is held on or cannot move.

    The handle is actually disconnected from the internal mechanism when the breaker trips.

    This is the reason they must be moved fully to off (engages the handle and cocks the spring that forces the breaker open) and then back to the on position to restore power.

  • sue_b
    Original Author
    13 years ago

    We tried and could not move the breakers to 'off' for these two. We are very familiar with how to reset the other breakers from 'off' to 'on' but these two do not move. So it sounds like it is safe for us to remove the screws and switch these off then back on.

  • dennisgli
    13 years ago

    I can see why you would put those on the breaker for the refrigerator - but not for an oven. You can just remove them if you don't like them and aren't worried about somebody accidentally turning those circuits off.

  • joed
    13 years ago

    Those devices are typically installed to prevent someone from turning off the circuit. They will allow the breaker to trip. Usually only see those in industrial settings where they don't want emergency lights or some other safety system shut off.

    You can remove them and leave them off. Loosen the screw and slide them off.

  • sue_b
    Original Author
    13 years ago

    Thank you for the advice. We removed the screws with no problem and reset the appliance and all is well. Great not to have to get the appliance repaired and not have to call in an electrician for this one!

  • newgarageguy
    13 years ago

    My experience, those are breaker lockoffs. They are intended to be turned around to lock the breaker in the off position when service is being performed on the appliance.
    They are typically required by the inspector when the breaker is used as the disconnecting means for an appliance.

  • azlighting
    13 years ago

    Correct, lock-off breakers are just for that. They prevent the breakers from being turned back on, or reset while someone is servicing said equipment. Similar to lock-on/lock-off tags.

    For example a range can either be hardwired or plug-in. All electrical equipment has a means of disconnect. In most cases this is accomplished as a plug-in. The plug-in serves as the means of disconnect. When you need to service it, you disconnect it from the power source by pulling the plug out of the receptacle. In a range, if it is hard-wired, the repairman goes to the panel and turns the breaker off. In order to prevent someone from turning the breaker back on while the repairman is servicing it, they engage the lock-off.

  • joed
    13 years ago

    Those are not safety lock offs. If they were there would be a place for a pad lock that only the installer has the key for. There would also be a tag with his name etc on it. It prevents anyone from removing it and turning it on while he is working on it.

    Those are simply to prevent someone from turning off the breaker to a critical piece of equipment.

  • newgarageguy
    13 years ago

    joed, go to,
    http://ecatalog.squared.com/fulldetail.cfm?partnumber=QO1LO
    It shows the Square D style of the same thing. They are sold as breaker lockoff devices. Not Lock Out Tag out safety devices. I was not able to locate the ITE brand but you can easily tell that they are similar.
    And yes they can also be used to lock the breaker in the on position.

  • joed
    13 years ago

    I was responding to this quote. They are not designed for safety while servicing the equipment.

    Correct, lock-off breakers are just for that. They prevent the breakers from being turned back on, or reset while someone is servicing said equipment.