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rslmt

ouch - shocked when touching range and micro

rslmt
12 years ago

Hi -

I've also posted this message in Kitchens and Appliances! Our electrician left today after finishing the electrical work on our kitchen. The strange thing is that when we touch the range and the OTR microwave (GE Advantium 120V) at the same time, we get a shock. Our house isn't exceptionally dry -- haven't received shocks anywhere else. It has happened to my daughter, my husband and myself.

Any thoughts?

Thanks!

Comments (22)

  • Billl
    12 years ago

    Yeah - one of the appliances are being energized somehow. You need to get the electrician back out to fix it ASAP.

  • rslmt
    Original Author
    12 years ago

    The electrician is coming this afternoon. What exactly does energized mean and what should I expect him to do?

    Thanks for your help!

  • brickeyee
    12 years ago

    "What exactly does energized mean and what should I expect him to do? "

    It means the frame of the item has voltage present on it.

    The frame is supposed to be solidly grounded to prevent this and trip a breaker; though that requires enough current to both be available and flow.

    It is likely that the stove has an older 3-wire setup or the ground wire in a 4-wire setup is not connected, or that the microwave has a bad ground and a defect that is allowing a hot wore to touch the chassis.

    The first step I would take is to gain access to a known good ground and measure the voltage on the chassis of each appliance to determine what appliance is electrically 'hot' (AKA energized).

    The next step would be to figure out HOW the appliance became 'hot' and why the grounding is not working correctly.

    The ground connection should be holding the chassis of the appliance so close in voltage you cannot detect anything when touching both.

  • brickeyee
    12 years ago

    If a plug is accessible for the microwave you can try unplugging it.

  • Samantha111
    12 years ago

    My microwave was hooked up by a contractor who hooked up the range poorly. I saw a loose wire in the wall for the mw. I assume those had to be hooked up to the unit. Is there any way to tell if he grounded the microwave without reinstalling it? If the microwave is working fine, is there any way he could have messed things up otherwise anyway?

  • rslmt
    Original Author
    12 years ago

    Just wanted to follow up - the electrician came out and noticed that one of the lights on the range was slightly lit. I had noticed it, but because it's a new range, hadn't really thought much about it. It didn't look really lit, just different. One of the wires had come disconnected from the board inside the range. Maybe it got disconnected during transport or installation? He reconnected it and there is no longer a 120 volt shock (ouch!) when you touch the 2 appliances.

    Thanks for your speedy response!

  • Ron Natalie
    12 years ago

    That's nice that he reconnected it, but the fact that it shocked you without tripping the breaker lends us to believe that there are further grounding issues in the frame of the range.

  • bus_driver
    12 years ago

    I still suspect that the range is not properly grounded.

  • Samantha111
    12 years ago

    Same subject if it's alright to add situations?

    I used to get a shock when I used a stainless electric wok on my old electric range. Is this same situation where there might have been a grounding problem with the range? Sometimes when I would touch the wok, I'd get a buzz shock.
    As I recall, the plastic plug piece on that wok might have been wobbly. It probably needed its screws tightened.

    I leaned on an outlet without a cover months back and got a slight buzz. Contractor said it was from the metal part and that he would fix it. What would cause that? Its ground wire maybe not connected?

  • bus_driver
    12 years ago

    Sam, the problem you describe could well be a problem with the wok.

  • brickeyee
    12 years ago

    "I used to get a shock when I used a stainless electric wok on my old electric range."

    The problem could be either the range or the wok.

    One of them has a fault allowing the device to become electrically 'live' and there IS a ground present that is allowing YOU to complete the circuit.

    Without some further testing there is no real way to decide what device has the fault.

  • weedmeister
    12 years ago

    Note to self: If the appliance has a dimly lit light on all the time, it is a sign that something is wrong.

  • sombreuil_mongrel
    12 years ago

    Maybe, just maybe, it was a 12v tap off a transformer for the lamp. If your hands are damp, you can feel 12v. Not enough juice to trip a breaker, either.
    120vAC you can feel with dry hands ;)
    And an electric fence jolt feels like an invisible baseball bat connected. DAMHIKT
    Casey

  • bus_driver
    12 years ago

    My fencer had 5000 volts, pulsing and of very low amperage. But it hurt so bad that I had to look to see if I was bleeding.

  • brickeyee
    12 years ago

    "My fencer had 5000 volts, pulsing and of very low amperage."

    Older fence chargers often use a 12 V blinker module and an ignition coil to generate the high voltage. They depended on the earth for the return.

    Every time the blinker opened the circuit the coil generated a high voltage pulse (just like the points in a distributor, remember those?).

    They did not to be powerful enough to clear weeds that grew near the wire and would then short out the high voltage.

    If you saw a 'tunnel' of weeds around a fence wire you new it was hot (if you ignored the insulators on the posts).

    Convincing 1000+ pounds animals to respect the fence took a pretty good jolt.

  • brickeyee
    12 years ago

    "They did not to be powerful enough"

    Should be 'They did have to be powerful enough...'

  • groundrod
    12 years ago

    Talk about a shock, do not urinate on said weed cutter fence when you are dared by your twelve year old buddies. Don't ask. You will look like you have been tased thirty years before it's invention.

  • Ron Natalie
    12 years ago

    You obviously never spent any time on a farm. The trick to peeing on the electric fence (handy to get your friends to do so as well) is to never allow a continuous stream to hit pass from your body to the fence....you need to interrupt it while doing your demonstration. Of course, you don't tell your bodies that trick when encourage them to try.

  • brickeyee
    12 years ago

    "never allow a continuous stream to hit pass from your body to the fence.."

    Stand far enough back the stream breaks up.

    Urge them to get close so no one can see what they are doing.

  • countryboymo
    12 years ago

    I remember the old 'tick tock' mechanical fencers that were mediocre 12v fencers compared to 120v weedburner units. We purchased a new zealand style fencer designed for sheep that would put out 7000 volts and that put the end to the occasional cow that would push through it. I witnessed a kid lick this fence in a dumb moment trying to one up the kid who peed on it and almost cried. The kid ended up with wet jeans...priceless.

  • Adam Badzioch
    4 years ago
    last modified: 4 years ago

    too easy...Fluke digital electrical tester....go between appliances...take reading...

    then go between each appliance and take reading to a PROVED ground source.

    The appliance with the voltage reading from frame to PROVED which is close to appliance to appliance test is the bad unit...have it fixed or the power source to unit fixed.

    And there is one other possibility