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| Living in CT has been quite difficult the past couple of months with the power failures. I am going on my 5th day now without power. I have now learned the hard way that I need a generator going forward. I will be in the market for a minimum 6000-7000 watt portable generator. Unfortunately Honda seems to be out of the question at $4K for a 6500 watt unit. I'm hoping to be able to get a decent one for no more than $1200-1500. Can anyone recommend or post what they believe to be the top 3 or 5 brands of portable generators? Thanks very much. |
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| (1)Honda (2)Yamaha (3)All the rest |
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| Honda/Yamaha = totally out of the question. |
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| IF (Honda or Yamaha = totally out of the question), then (durability + reliability = low) and (frustration level = high). Given that your budget is $1500, you cannot afford what I would call a "decent" 6-7Kw generator. You might as well buy two $750 Generacs or whatever brand of over-rated, cheaply made set your local big box store carries. Then one of the pair might actually be operational when you need it. |
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| I should have expected the resident narcissists to chime in first with less than helpful answers. Every forum here and at GW has them. Anyone else with less-than-pompous suggestions please? Let me make myself a little more clear. I do not want a 'top of the line' portable generator. I'm looking for one in the 6-7000 watt range for the 'rest of us'. The people without the six figure incomes. |
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| I was completely serious, my experience has been that until you get up to Honda, Yamaha and maybe Multiquip portable sets are just about the same. If are going to buy a (presumably new) 6 to 7Kw set, and have a $1200-1500 dollar budget, you may as well look at the Generac #5940 or similar for about $750. You can just about afford two, and they combined will offer a greater chance of success than one set which costs more, looks a little prettier but will not be any more durable. At $12-1500 about all you get for your money over a $750 set is a larger fuel tank, electric start and some fancy decals and a few more outlets. It is still a lawnmower engine with a very optimistically rated generator attached. If you call my attitude pompous, so be it, but keep in mind that few things are as irritating as sitting in the dark beside a failed generator. |
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| Wayne has a valid point, and I don't think he's out of line. Maybe it shouldn't be that way, but in general, you get what you pay for. Perhaps Wayne's standards are too high, but I agree that there's nothing more frustrating than having a generator that fails every time the power goes out. If you want the least expensive product available, I'd recommend a google search rather than asking people with experience. |
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- Posted by weedmeister (My Page) on Fri, Nov 4, 11 at 17:03
| I'm not connected to these guys. But at least they give class recommendations. |
Here is a link that might be useful: generators
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| I apologize for my remarks. I get that you get what you pay for. I also get that I do not have the money to afford a honda or a yamaha. Same reason I drive a dodge truck and not a Toyota. I do ALL of my own mechanical repairs on all of my cars/equipment/toys etc. If money was no object, the Honda would be my first choice. And I don't want "the least expensive product available". I never said that. I'm guessing that most of the reason these less expensive models fail when needed has MORE to do with the owners not keeping up on routine maintenance and less to do with build quality. Nothing mechanical....nothing....can be left sitting in a shed for years without getting some routine "exercise".Great link weedmeister. Very helpful, thanks. The Powermate with the Honda engine looks very promising. Can anyone comment on that one? |
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| Is 7KW the absolute bare minimum you can survive on, or can you live with less power? A smaller unit of better quality that you can rely upon 100% might be worth the pain of cutting right down on the load. |
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| Thanks, Wayne440, for the info on Generacs I too survived the storm in CT, and am shopping for a generator. I see a LOT of negative feedbacks on Generacs (including Centurion) . Seems oil leaks and missing parts |
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| I live in Minnesota, and we had 5 days without power, back around 1998. My opinion is it's not worth the money to buy a generator, unless you use it frequently. Additionally, any item that's idle for a long period of time, may develop problems that prevent it from performing. What you are buying is reliability. |
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| What about some of the Costco offerings? There are the built-ins and there are the portables, my neighbour just bought a Champion 7k for around a thousand or so if I remember correctly. Noisy but effective. You can mothball it easily enough with gas stabiliser. Now the link below if for a Canadian product in a Canadian store but it's an idea/starting point if you wanted to go built-in, it runs on propane OR natural gas. If the NG supply remains reliable then you wouldn't have to worry about aging fuel or delivery, and it includes its own transfer switch. I keep seeing them in the store and thinking they'd be cool, but our power here is very reliable, and I have a gas fireplace that doesn't need power so I'm fairly well covered. I would get more out of my money buying a hot tub, but still... |
Here is a link that might be useful: Part house stationary unit
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| tom418- I found out why many Generacs leak oil during an ice storm a few years ago. To check the oil on those sets the dipstick should be screwed in, not just dipped in to the bottom of the threads like many other engines. If they are over filled the crankshaft seal and or governor shaft seal fails and leaks oil faster than you can put it in. The setups that worked? Tractor driven PTO generators. Water cooled diesels like Cummins, Kubota, Isuzu. Air cooled Yanmar diesels. 20 year old Onan and Kohler sets. Homelites with "cast iron" Briggs engines. Motorhome generators. Water cooled propane sets with Ford, GM, Chrysler industrial engines. Honda and Yamaha portables. Any generator is fine for a one hour outage. Just about any one will also do for a one day outage. Few are OK for a one week outage. Even fewer will still be running after 3 weeks. |
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| Well, I just got some serious use of my Honeywell HW7500E generator (7,500 running Watts / 9,375 Starting Watts) I bought in 2009 for $999 including shipping. I used it for 8 days straight that we were without power here in Suffield CT. I shut it down during the day for a few hours since it was nice weather (after the snow...), but otherwise I ran my house for 8 days with this for at least 19 hours per day. My largest loads were my well pump (340 ft deep with a 1C HP pump) and my boiler (hot water & baseboard heating). But, I also ran a full size freezer, full size fridge, 1800W microwave, two garage door openers, 65 inch plasma TV This was my 4th use of the genny since I bought it, which previously, I used it twice for about 8-12 hours and once for 30 hours. I bought mine at electricgeneratorsdirect.com, although I see this model is now discontinued. I should add for the most part the running load in my house was under 1000 watts. When the well pump and boil turn on, they draw a surge, but once started, the running load was quite low. Running the microwave to cook dinner was the largest load on it. When the nuke turned on with the freezer, fridge, heat and well pump running, the load was about 2200 Watts on that one leg. So, I don't know... I am certainly not complaining. Some neighbors genny's failed during this extended stretch... mine didn't. Ran like a champ and still does. Do I think the power quality is perfect - doubtful, but it sure beats no power! Mine does not leak oil or stall. My only gripe is it's difficult to pour oil from the quart into the filler, but I just stuck a tube onto the end of a funnel. I did change the oil twice in these 8 days as I have read these things are tough on oil. Manual states to change only every 100 hours, but... Your mileage may vary ;) Good luck! |
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| Thanks Chip. So is engine failure the largest reason for portable emergency generator failure? It sure sounds like maintenance problems are the main culprit to the engine failures. |
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- Posted by stinkytiger (My Page) on Tue, Nov 8, 11 at 10:07
| Hi, I am biased in that do like the Honda generators. They are very nice and will get the job done. Having said that there are other generators out there that are cheaper and will work. I would avoid stuff at Home Depot and Lowes, and try and look around for a "professional" generator. Ask around any builder friend you may have and ask them what they use. One of the key needs of any generator is maintenance. They need to be maintained like a car almost. So depending on where you are, it is useful to have a good dealer close by for parts and advice. Generators are also heavy, so look for one with wheels if you are in the 6KW - 7KW range. In general heavy is good, more copper, more chunky engine etc. Remember to allow room in your budget for some wiring work. Transfer switch, NEMA plug. And also think where you are going to put this generator. It will be noisy, and can kill you if you get Carbon Monoxide poisioning. You want the place to be able to vent exhaust, but also be dry and away from the weather. That place should also have somewhere where you can chain the generator in case someone tries to steal it. You will also need some petrol cans. Maybe four 5 gallon plastic ones. Home Depot ones are fine. I think in most town rules, you cannot store more than 20 gallons due to fire risk. When you buy the petrol do not forget to put in the fuel stabilizer, e.g. Stabil (Home Depot). Try and store the petrol away from your house for safety. Being without power is a royal pain, and I think for about $US 3,000 you can get a usuable set up. Maybe $US 1,500 for the gen set and another $US 1,500 for the wiring. All the best Mike. |
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| Mike made some great points. My transfer switch (GenTran 3028) was about $300, but that included the breakers. Also had to by a power inlet box and the cord and two L14 plugs. These generators don't put out 2 phases - it's a split-phase 240VAC - i.e. single phase. Same as your house wiring. My generator has a floating neutral so I didn't need the additional kit to switch the neutral. In this recent outage, I also did go out and bought two new CO /explosive gas detectors which set me back another $120. I also have an 10x10' "EZ-UP" pop-up tent that I use for protection, but in the heavy snow that occurred I had to go out every 30 minutes and dump the snow off the collapsing top! Good point about gas cans too. I only had 1 5 gallon can, and after 2 day being without power I tried to buy a 2nd... guess what... none to be found. There was no gas to be found for a while either... |
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| I guess this forum on generators is pretty dead right now. Well we are only a month or two from hurricane season so my guess is that will change. I have learned that most of these gens (at least in Florida) are so poorly maintained that it is no wonder that they fail. I am an electrical engineer and have picked up a RobinSubaru 3800 watt gen and a Porter Cable 5500 watt gen both not producing power. Engines are fine but I plan to change the oil out anyway since there is no telling how long it has been in there. Both are brushless alternators and I checked to see if they lost their excitation and no success. Next I pulled the covers off and disconnected the capacitor and measured the windings voltage AC. Both acceptable around 5VAC for the Porter Cable and over 7 VAC (little high) for the RobinSubaru. New capacitors installed and I expect them to operate well now. I see these sitting in sand operating which is death to the windings sucking that sand in. My point is that putting these in snow or water or not protecting them is a sure way for them to fail. After all this is a generator producing a lot of AC power and getting it wet is a good way to blow the capacitor or burn up the windings. The engines I think suffer from poor maintenance as well, infrequent oil changes, 4 seasons outside all harsh on these engines. Will post results of the repairs I made and see if that was the only issue with the gens. |
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| Opinions on generators will vary widely. I too live in the NE and went through 2 power outages in 2011. Alot of my neighbors including myself used portable generators for up to 5 days. Some were from HD and Lowes and worked real well. A few had problems and either destroyed them or they didn't produce power, but the motor ran. None of them had transfer panels, but survived with lots of cords. I have a 12 year old 6500watt Honda. I bought it during Hurricane Floyd and have used it when needed. I am also in construction so it gets used for jobs sometimes. I may use it for 1-2 weeks or maybe just a couple of hours when the job power is not available. For me it was a business expense, but I probably still would have done it anyway. After 12 years I had it serviced after the late snow storm outage. Honda service dealers were easy to find. They tuned it up and checked voltage and all is fine. One neighbor bought a Briggs and the motor ran but no power. He found many service areas for the motor, but it took him months to find a service center for the generator. He cannot transport in his car so has to have a friend take it in his truck. It is April and still not finished. He spent $600 before the storm and never got power from his purchase. I would buy from a power equipment dealer or lawn supply and have them start it up and prove it works before buying. Make sure they service what they sell no matter the price. You will pay more, but it is worth it. As far as Honda goes they are in the top of generators. One thing is that mine is 6500 or 5500 continuous watts, but has a 13hp motor. You pay a lot, but you get what you pay for. It is hard to check hp but you can find it if you search. Any generator that works is wonderful when you need it. Yes you do need lots of 5 gallon gas cans. I think I have 5 plus a couple of 2 1/2 gallon cans. Also gas stabalizer and good oil. Transfer switches are great to have, but if not a lot of good heavy extension cords. |
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| Looking to pick up a portable generator in an emergency situation, and looking at the honda em6500s, but very worried about the noise. On their decibel chart, it compares this generator to a Jet plane 50 feet away! thats insanely loud. i live in a suburb with 7500-10000 sq ft lots. Anyone have an experience with a 73dba generator? |
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- Posted by countryboymo (My Page) on Wed, Oct 17, 12 at 21:56
| I just picked up an old 4400 watt Homelite for 75.00 that needed new fuel and a new spark plug because it still had the original and with old fuel ran like garbage. It runs like a top now and evidently hasn't seen much use since the spark plug was still painted homelite red. It is on the small side of what I was looking for but with the cast iron sleeved briggs engine. If I decide to get something bigger and newer this one will sell for 300+ all day long here. It might be worthwhile to look for a 'nicer' model that someone else has been storing in their garage and is tired of looking at. If you keep your eyes open deals pop up. There are also apps that will notify you anytime a certain ad shows up so you can jump at the deal before many people see it. |
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- Posted by yosemitebill (My Page) on Wed, Oct 17, 12 at 23:13
| You might to read that information again... A jet airliner at 50 feet away would exceed 140 dBA and, without ear protection, will typically cause permanent loss of hearing - an average lawn mower is around 75-80 dBA. dB is a logarithmic scale - you may want to google "dBA noise levels" for comparisons of various sources and an explanation of dB and A-weighted dB scales. |
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| You're right, the computer i opened this image on did not show the blue http://powerequipment.honda.com/content/images/pages/generators/dbchar t.jpg |
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| That is a weird figure. Honda is making their generators look bad with it. |
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- Posted by GeneratorXpert (My Page) on Tue, Jan 1, 13 at 3:42
| I reccommend you go and check out a Yamaha generator. Its benefits doesn't compare to any other portable generator on the market. The best cempetitor would be Honda, many people I know would recommend them but I've done my reaearch and Yamaha is the way to go. To name just a few of the many benefit that you get from Yamaha generators, the warranty( Honda used to be the better choice with a two year warranty, until Yamaha hit the market and is now offering up to a 6 year warranty), and the sound/noise( The largest one I've seen is the Yamaha EF4500iSE, its holds 4500 watt maximum and only get about 58-60 decibles) Find out more about Yamaha generators here. I think a Yamaha Would be the perfect coice for you and your home during a power outage. Hope you find what your looking for. -Generator Xpert. |
Here is a link that might be useful: Yamaha Generator Overview
This post was edited by GeneratorXpert on Tue, Jan 1, 13 at 7:36
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- Posted by petey_racer (My Page) on Tue, Jan 1, 13 at 9:19
| GeneratorXpert, wow, now this one is simply one big ad. Did you pay for this advertising space? |
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- Posted by petey_racer (My Page) on Tue, Jan 1, 13 at 9:20
| Here is a helpful link for you: http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/trans/business.html |
Here is a link that might be useful: Businesses Using the Forums
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