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which pipe should I use

v1rt
13 years ago

I want to add lighting to my new patio. I want to add 2 pillars with lamp light on top of it. At my old place, I don't recall what the landscapers put. I think the depth of the pipe was 10" from the top of the patio floor.

I want to do it myself. I did some search and found out from an article to use high density polyethyline pvc.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

Neil

Comments (33)

  • petey_racer
    13 years ago

    Electrical PVC conduit. The grey stuff.
    Sch40 is fine for underground.
    18" deep to the top of the conduit.

  • v1rt
    Original Author
    13 years ago

    Why do we need to go down 18"? Thanks so much!

  • petey_racer
    13 years ago

    You'll have to ask the code making panels this one. This has been the code for a very long time.

  • smithy123
    13 years ago

    use sch 80 pvc, 3/4''

  • v1rt
    Original Author
    13 years ago

    Thanks for the help everyone. I really appreciate it. :)

  • brickeyee
    13 years ago

    If you are willing to deal with intermediate or rigid conduit the burial depth goes down to only 6 inches.

    It is much harder to work with (think threaded steel plumbing pipe).

  • v1rt
    Original Author
    13 years ago

    are this rigid conduit metal?

  • brickeyee
    13 years ago

    "are this rigid conduit metal?"

    intermediate and rigid are steel with zinc plating.

  • v1rt
    Original Author
    13 years ago

    Thanks! I'll go with that one then. I don't want to go as deep as 18 inches since even at 10 inch deep, it is very hard to dig in my area.

  • smithy123
    13 years ago

    how do you watertight the threads? i always wondered that.

  • DavidR
    13 years ago

    You don't. Buried conduit is by definition a wet location. You expect it to fill with water eventually.

  • brickeyee
    13 years ago

    "how do you watertight the threads? i always wondered that."

    The threads are IPT, the same as water pipes but no dope is required so the seal is not really water tight.

    Condensation is going to very likely eventually fill the pipe up anyway.

    Buries is a wet location and the correct wet rated wire is required.

    Just about every buried conduit eventually ends up filled with water.

  • smithy123
    13 years ago

    is that why it is requireed to be arranged to drain?

  • brickeyee
    13 years ago

    "is that why it is requireed to be arranged to drain?"

    No, that is why wet rated insulation is required.

  • Ron Natalie
    13 years ago

    Yah, I learned that on one of my first days on the job. We cut into a conduit feeding one of the buildings and water ran out of it for several minutes. My "older than electricity" supervisor made some crack about water cooled power conduits...

  • brickeyee
    13 years ago

    "We cut into a conduit feeding one of the buildings and water ran out of it for several minutes."

    Count yourself lucky if it did not smell like dead animals and sewage.

  • smithy123
    13 years ago

    if the conduit fills with water, why do we use it? why don't we just direct bury the wire.

    this link is where i thought all conduits must be arranged to drain.

    Here is a link that might be useful: what's wrong here

  • v1rt
    Original Author
    13 years ago

    This is what I really want to put, pillar with lights. I had it at the old place. So what's the safe way to do this?

    {{!gwi}}

  • Ron Natalie
    13 years ago

    We use it because it's easier to pull wires in conduit that's in place than direct bury, you can place it closer to the surface, the wires are better protected against physical damage, you can't even get UF in a large enough sizes for some applications.

    VIRTUOUSLY: The way I would do that is to run conduit up to a junction box mounted in the stone pillar where you want the receptacle and then another up to the base of the luminiere.

  • countryboymo
    13 years ago

    It should only be a dig once situation if long enough sweeps are used and it is built properly. If something happens the bad wire can be pulled out and a new wire pulled back in its place. Water will get in the pipe no matter how much pipe dope or glue you use..

  • v1rt
    Original Author
    13 years ago

    I remember the person installed a metal junction box beside our foundation. What is the use of junction box? Is it for ease of wire installation?

  • v1rt
    Original Author
    13 years ago

    he tapped it in our GFCI outlet outside. However, he did it via the basement.

  • smithy123
    13 years ago

    i would personally run a new 20a line from the panel.

  • brickeyee
    13 years ago

    "if the conduit fills with water, why do we use it? why don't we just direct bury the wire."

    And what do you think happens in side the jacket of direct burial wire?

    It slowly fills with water.

    The is why UF does not have any paper filler that could cause problems, while NM is not allowed in wet locations because of the paper filler.

    "this link is where i thought all conduits must be arranged to drain.

    Here is a link that might be useful: what's wrong here"

    You might try looking in the NEC for code requirements.

  • smithy123
    13 years ago

    "if the conduit fills with water, why do we use it? why don't we just direct bury the wire."
    I meant to just bury the wire directly without conduit or uf cable. just the individual wires.

  • brickeyee
    13 years ago

    "I meant to just bury the wire directly without conduit or uf cable. just the individual wires."

    Just a little mater of safety and the NEC not allowing it.

  • smithy123
    13 years ago

    if the conduit fills with water, why does the code require it?

  • petey_racer
    13 years ago

    Smithy, are you seriously asking why we cannot run individual conductors in the ground???

  • smithy123
    13 years ago

    no. im saying if the conduit fills with water, what is the point of using it. why are the codes there? WHY?

  • brickeyee
    13 years ago

    "no. im saying if the conduit fills with water, what is the point of using it. why are the codes there? WHY?"

    For mechanical protection of the conductors and tier insulation from damage.

    If the correct insulation is used the water does not have any effect.

    Water is not actually a conductor at all, it is dissolved ionic contaminants in the water that conduct the current.
    Very pure water is used as an insulator in electrical discharge machining.

    The NEC rules are that conduit systems are sealed to prevent wholesale entry of water.

    Buried system often eventually fill with water, but with the correct insulation on the conductors and the very low resistance of the wires themselves there is not significant current leakage.

  • smithy123
    13 years ago

    why dont we just use concrete?

  • kurto
    13 years ago

    Concrete doesn't conduct electricity very well.

  • smithy123
    13 years ago

    well, neither does ent. btw, does rigid count a a ground stake when running it underground from panel 2 panel?