google or look here for some info http://www.saveenergyllc.com/

If you Google the company name, you'll get no hits except its own website. If you Google the phone number, you'll find at least three other businesses using that number: one that sells packing material, a delivery service, and a warehousing service. I'd stay away.

Hey paulusgnome61, I see you're a Kiwi. I worked in Auckland years ago but left right before the big downtown power outage in 1998. Was that you?

that is from that website. from what it states, it is a capacitor for power correction. Now the thing is, in most residential systems, this will not save a thing by PF correction since a residential power supply is not charged for poor PF.

The only other claim, reduces heat, might be true to a very small extent but in reality, the savings would be imperceptable. The other thing that yo must take note of is to correct PF, the caps need to be sized for the load. In an industrial setting, the loads are usually consistant so the proper cap size can be determined. In a residence, they change so much so often that a single PF correction device would be nearly useless. What do you size it for? The well pump that runs 2 minutes each hour or the furnace that might run 10 minutes each hour but remeber that is only in the cold season.

That thing is a waste.

The principle is different, but this reminds me of the "Green Plugs" that the big box stores sold about 15 years ago. They had some theoretical benefit, but not for most modern appliances. Besides, the demonstration gadgets were rigged, and in my book that's a big "no way" right there.

I'd say that if you really want to try one, wait 5-7 years. By then the company will have gone on to some other money makng scheme. Then you should be able to buy one for $5 or $10 from a surplus store, or maybe on Ebay.

http://www.kvarhydrosave.com/sites/kvar/gfx/Georgian.pdf

http://www.kvarhydrosave.com/sites/kvar/gfx/Residential_Power_Factor_P orrection_Project_2005.pdf
this one has a "demonstration video" http://www.kvarhydrosave.com/

http://www.bchydro.com/rx_files/psbusiness/psbusiness1531.pdf

http://oee.nrcan.gc.ca/publications/infosource/pub/ici/eii/m144_17_200 3e.cfm?attr=20

The kWh meter tells the story. Turn everything else off in the house (open the breakers). Note the meter reading and run your aircon for an hour straight without the gadget. Note again. Put the gadget online and repeat. See how much difference in measured consumption there really is.

If a power factor of .77-.85 can be increased to .95-.99 and draw less amps in a circuit panel, Why would this not decrease your kilowatt hrs? The unit also offers surge protection of 2000 joules (How many volts is that?) I have been hearing alot about this unit and it claims to save 6-15% guaranteed kilowatt hrs charged. It saves on inductive loads used in a building which I assume means motorized equipment.

Please define guaranteed:
Is there a monetary fine, a refund, in other words what do you get if the savings don't result as stated.

Because amps x volts is NOT watts for a load with a power factor other than 1.00.

Watts = Amps x Volts x Power Factor
Residential customers are not charged based on power factor.
It would be to your actual advantage to have a lousy power factor (and the utilities DISadvantage).
While the generators and wiring are sized to the actual current flowing, with a lousy power factor some of the current does no work and cannot be billed to a residential customer.

"The unit also offers surge protection of 2000 joules (How many volts is that?)"

A Joule is a unit all by itself and measures the amount of energy the device can absorb (note that energy is NOT power).

This is what I always thought and can't undstand why this unit(if it did work) would reduce your bill. If anything it would increase your bill.

Depending upon the rate structure of your electric utility, you may be able to save a substantial amount of money on your electric bill. Pay-back period for an equipment purchase including installation cost may be six months up to three years. Utility rate structures that account for reactive power consumption, by either a KVA or var demand usage, or a power factor penalty are the ones that can provide this pay-back. Other ancillary benefits to be gained by optimizing power factor are, lower energy losses, better voltage regulation and released system capacity. This page explains the fundamentals of power factor and how KEC UNITs can benefit you.

All electric equipment requires "vars" - a term used by electric power engineers to describe the reactive or magnetizing power required by the inductive characteristics of electrical equipment. These inductive characteristics are more pronounced in motors and transformers, and therefore, can be quite significant in industrial facilities. The flow of vars, or reactive power, through a watt-hour meter will not effect the meter reading, but the flow of vars through the power system will result in energy losses on both the utility and the industrial facility. Some utilities charge for these vars in the form of a penalty, or KVA demand charge, to justify the cost for lost energy and the additional conductor and transformer capacity required to carry the vars. In addition to energy losses, var flow can also cause excessive voltage drop, which may have to be optimized by either the application of KEC Units, or other more expensive equipment, such as load-tap changing transformers, synchronous motors, and synchronous condensers.

Figure 1 - Power Factor Triangle

The power triangle shown in figure 1, is the simplest way to understand the effects of reactive power. The figure illustrates the relationship of active (real) and reactive (imaginary or magnetizing) power. The active power (represented by the horizontal leg) is the actual power, or watts that produces real work. This component, is the energy transfer component, which represents fuel burned at the power plant. The reactive power, or magnetizing power, (represented by the vertical leg of the upper or lower triangle) is the power required to produce the magnetic fields to enable the real work to be done. Without magnetizing power, transformers, conductors, motors, and even resistors and capacitors would not be able to operate. Reactive power is normally supplied by generators, capacitors and synchronous motors. The longest leg of the triangle (on the upper or lower triangle), labeled total power, represents the vector sum of the reactive power and real power components. Mathematically, this is equal to:

Electric power engineers often call total power, kVA, MVA, apparent power, or complex power. Some utilities measure this total power, (usually averaged over a 15 minute load period) and charge a monthly fee or tariff for the highest fifteen minute average load reading in the month. This tariff is usually added to the energy charge or kilowatt-hour charge. This type of billing is often called kva demand billing and can be quite costly to an industrial facility. KEC UNITs can save your company money by decreasing your reactive power component supplied by the utility to near zero vars.

The power triangle and the equation above show, that as the reactive power component is decreased by adding KEC UNITs, the total power will also decrease. This is shown by the decreased length of the dashed lines in the power triangle as the reactive power component approaches zero. Therefore, adding KEC UNITs, which will supply reactive power locally, can reduce your total power and monthly kva demand charge.

The angle "phi" in the power triangle is called the power factor angle and is mathematically equal to:

The ratio of the real power to the total power in the equation above (or the cos of phi) is called power factor. As the angle gets larger (caused by increasing reactive power) the power factor gets smaller. In fact, the power factor can vary from 0 to 1, and can be either inductive (lagging) or capacitive (leading). Capacitive loads are drawn down, and inductive loads are drawn up on the power triangle. Most industrials normally operate on the upper triangle (inductive or lagging triangle). As an industrial adds capacitors, the length of reactive (inductive) power leg is shortened by the number of capacitive KEC that were added. If the number of capacitive KEC added exceeds the industrials inductive KEC load, operation occurs on the lower triangle. This is commonly referred to as over compensation.

Utilities charge for reactive power in a countless number of ways. Some utilities charge for KEC demand, while others charge a strait fee for a power factor less than their target. To fully understand the benefits of the KEC UNIT, you must acquire your electric billing rate structure. This rate structure will describe how cost for poor power factor are added to your monthly bills

You could put the KEC UNIT anywhere on the system as shown (between the transformer and load and not only at Points A, B, and C) and achieve unity power factor for the system. The utility company will perceive this power system as having a unity power factor no matter where it is located on the distribution line as long as it's sized correctly to deliver the proper amount of KEC.

However, optimum efficiency and economics will be achieved if the KEC UNIT bank is located as close to the load as possible.

The reason for this is because when you optimize power factor, you can reduce the total line current to the load and therefore you reduce the total losses in the line conductor and decrease the voltage drop in the line. This decrease in voltage drop will only occur if you locate the KEC UNIT close to the load, as explained below.

Assume the load is a motor. A motor uses KW to perform work. It uses KEC to magnetize its coil windings. (We will refer to the magnetic requirements of the motor's windings as the motor's "inductance". It is this inductance that utilizes the KEC.)

The motor load draws a line current that has two components. The first component is the amperage that supplies the KW to the load, so that the motor can perform work such as lifting an object. The second part supplies the amperage to provide the load with KEC which in the case of the motor is the power necessary to energize the magnetic fields in the motor's windings. Together the two amounts of current supply the total KVA to the load.

Normally the system generator or transformer supplies all this current. But when a KEC UNIT is used to optimize the power factor, the KEC UNIT supplies the KEC reactive current component to the load. The KEC UNIT is, in effect, a reactive power generator. (Remember, the KEC UNIT stores energy. The KEC UNIT stores reactive energy in its electric field when it charges up, and releases it when it discharges.)

The generator (or transformer) must still supply the load's KW requirements.

The reactive current component is now supplied by the KEC UNIT and not the generator. By moving the KEC UNIT closer to the load, the reactive current does not have to travel as far through the line conductors to get to the load.

If the KEC UNIT is placed at the load, the reactive current only needs to travel through a short distance (e.g. the lead length of connecting wire) to get to the load. Since this reactive current component no longer travels through the conductor line from the generator to the load, it does not travel through the impedances in the line conductor.

Since this reactive current no longer flows through the line impedances, there is less heating of the line, less losses (in the form of heat), and less voltage drop across these in - line impedances (which reduces the overall voltage drop from generator to load).

The KW current component is all that the generator has to supply to the motor. Therefore the generator now runs at unity power factor and allows the KEC UNIT to supply the KEC requirement of the motor's inductive windings.

The energy "contained" in the KEC current component is transferred back and forth between the KEC UNIT and the motor 2 times for every voltage sine wave cycle (i.e. at 120 times a second).

This reactive energy is never consumed by either the KEC UNIT or the motor. (NOTE: The KW energy, on the other hand, performs real work and is totally consumed.)

Rather, the reactive energy is only "BORROWED" half of the time by the KEC UNIT and half of the time by the motor. The energy is used to charge the AC electric field of the KEC UNIT and to energize and create the AC magnetic fields contained in the motor's windings.

A KEC UNIT absorbs this energy from the power system and stores this energy in its electric field when it charges up (120 times a second). The KEC UNIT releases this energy back into the power when it discharges (120 times a second).

The motor's inductance absorbs the reactive energy from the power system and stores this energy in its windings' magnetic fields when the fields are expanding (120 times a second). The inductance releases this energy back into the power system when the windings magnetic fields are collapsing (120 times a second).

The secret is that when the motor's inductance requires reactive energy to expand its magnetic field, the KEC UNIT discharges to supply the energy. And when the magnetic field in the motor's inductive windings is collapsing and returning energy to the system, the KEC UNIT uses this energy to charge up.

So the capacitance in the KEC UNIT and the inductance in the motor's windings "slinky" this reactive energy back and forth 120 times a second, each supplying the others needs. The reactive current of the KEC UNIT is 180 degrees out of phase with the reactive current of the inductance. When one is giving, the other is taking and vice versa.

Again, the reactive energy is never consumed (except for some small and usually insignificant losses); it is only borrowed. The generator needs to supply the original reactive KEC energy only once when the system is first energized. After that, this amount of energy is simply transferred back and forth between inductance and capacitance.

Power Factor is a measurement of how much of the KVA is actually in the form of KW. The advantage of a high power factor is that line currents can be reduced which will in turn reduce voltage drop and decrease line losses. This saves money. It also means that since equipment such as transformers will supply only KW, the KVA rating of the equipment can be reduced, or alternatively, more load can be added to the system without purchasing larger equipment.

The KVA rating of a transformer is based on the transformers ability to supply power either all in KW or all in KEC or in a combination of both. Drawing more than rated KVA from a transformer is easily done, but the transformer's life will be reduced due to increasing heat which destroys the transformer's winding insulation.

By increasing the power factor, all of a transformer's KVA can be utilized to supply KW in order to perform useful work rather than to supply KEC just to energize electric and magnetic fields.

Increasing the power factor seen by the transformer creates "room" on the transformer for adding more load. Room can also be created on circuit breakers. Since line current is reduced by increasing power factor, load can be added to the system without upgrading the breaker to a larger size.

Call your POCO up and ask then how much your rate will be adjusted if you install power factor correction equipment.

They are going to tell you ZERO.

If you want to do that, I say bravo. Most people don't care because poor power factor doesn't cost them anything in a residential setting. That may change someday, and "someday" may be accelerated by the increasing number of switchmode and "light dimmer" style power supplies in appliances. Those cheap "electronic transformers" used for some kinds of low voltage lighting are the sort I'm talking about.

However, so far, all the kiloWatt hour meters (that's the meter on the side of your house) I know of ignore low or poor power factor, billing you as if it didn't exist. Nor do I know of any power company that will give you a lower rate or otherwise financially reward you for Doing The Right Thing and applying power factor correction. So if you do it, you do it for your own personal satisfaction.

This isn't true everywhere. I seem to recall reading that the EU (and maybe Canada, I'm not sure) now requires that certain appliances have improved power factor - computers for example. PF correction apparently helps reduce carbon emissions from powerplants, though how much I can't say. Yes, this does cost more. It requires additional circuitry.

But now we come back to that big IF. The gadget under discussion here does not sound like an effective power factor correction device. Therefore, not only do I not think it will save you money on your power bill, you will be fooling yourself if you feel virtuous about your "real" energy savings and carbon emissions reduction.

If you really want to improve your power factor, don't spend your money on this gimmick. Spent $25 or so and get a Kill-A-Watt or similar consumption meter which measures power factor. Plug your appliances into it, and see which ones have the lowest power factor. Use them less. Take the meter along when you shop for appliances and look first for the Energy Star appliances, then check each with your meter.

Just for grins, try your shiny new power factor meter on a couple of cheap compact fluorescent lamps, then on some better CFs, and finally on a couple of high quality electronic ballast fluorescents. I think you'll find the results intriguing.

But I suggest that you not waste your money on this KVAR gadget.

Adjustments to power factor are made for large industrial loads since the high reactive power demand requires the POCO to install larger equipment and then NOT be able to bill for it.

Adjusting power factor does NOT save power on your meter.
The very slight change in losses in residential wiring is very small.
I^2 * R losses occur for the reactive power, and only when the load is actually running.

To bad you are billed by the kW-hr and not by days.
You have no idea if the loads are the same this year as last.
You could try to compare them by looking up the degree-cooling days for your location.

I'm in St Pete Florida - central florida on the gulf.

My neighbor called me earlier today. I forget exactly what her last months power bill was but she had called me and told me like she does every month, comparing & complaining why hers is so much more than mine ... Her bill was something just under $400 last month.

Today I told her my bill was about $80 bucks less than last months - To which she replied, hers was $84 less.

So anyways, cooler nights this past month are helping reduce the cost of running the a/c.
My KWH's on the bill say the reflect 81% less per day than the comparable same time last month,,, according to my power bill.

Wish I had one of those Kvar or whatever you want to call them hooked to my shallow well pump. It costs me about 5 kwh times 13cents every sunday to water the lawn. If I had one on the refridge that uses 1.67kwh's per day - & one on the dehumidifier that uses about 3kwh's per day.... it all adds up. Hey - Maybe it could save me money!

It's interesting reading all of your comments, brings back memories from school.

Thanks... Valentin

Most likely because she keeps the AC lower or has a different sun exposure on the house.
Did you know that lot placement and surrounding vegetation directly affects the cooling load on a house?

I will repeat it again,
Residential electric rates are NOT based on power factor.

Power Factor correction will not do it in residential.

The most remarkable thing is that I don't even have a KVAR unit.

No offense to anyone here, but not many electricians are electrical engineers. Convince a roomful of PEs, and then maybe I'll sit up and take notice.

I did a little snooping. Interestingly, Greg Taylor is himself not an engineer. Far from it. He is an "electrical energy management consultant." He attended school not at MIT or Cal Tech, but at Vo-Tech in Florida and Georgia Institute of Standards and Technology.

But he has a patent! Of course, the patent office doesn't require proof of efficacy ...

The POCO likes large users to have a good power factor since transformers have to be sized based on VARs, not watts.
The transformer must supply the required current, even if the load does not need it for the entire cycle.
Industrial users pay rates based on power factor, and sometimes peak power factor (actually minimum since lower PF is worse).

Some large users are not even metered.
An annual measurement is taken on the power they draw over a week (typically), the power factor (or peak factor) measured, and the bill computed based on these readings.
In some places they can even get a discount for running there backup systems if they are placed under POCO control.
Wheb teh demand gets to high, the POCO switches the service over to the backup to relieve the demand on the system.

The overall grid looks very inductive, even if it did not have inductive loads. All those miles of distribution wiring. Capacitors are used i the distribution system to help control surges and try to at least moderate the reactive power.
A serious problem occurs if the load actually swings to capacitive. The whole system is designed for inductive power factor from the generators (actually alternators) on.
Most large load PF correction is on the load side of the on-off switch so the capacitors are disconnected from the power when the load is not operating.

Residential customers pay for kW-hours, and that is real dissipated power. They do not pay for having a lousy power factor directly, but it is built into the rates charged. No discount is offered if you have a 'better' PF.

The watt-hour meter uses a voltage winding and a current winding together to produce the driving torque to the measuring system.
If these waves are out of phase only the overlapping portion produces torque to turn the meter.
This allows it to measure only real power, watts, and ignore reactive power.

Reactive power does no work, and reducing the reactive current will ONLY reduce parasitic losses in the wiring.

There is NO change in the real power drawn (and metered) to the motor.
Induction motors run at a worse power factor when lightly loaded, and the power factor INCREASES as the motor is loaded down and is required to perform more work.

Residential customers are NOT charged by power factor.
You only pay for REAL POWER.

Large customers ARE billed by power factor.
It is to their advantage to have a good power factor (closer to unity) to reduce the charge for the power they DO USE.

These units are USELESS for a residential customer who is NOT BILLED by power factor.

Check out the date of membership.

AMPS ARE NOT POWER.
How many times does this have to be pointed out?
Power is measured in watts.
It is the product of amps * volts * POWER FACTOR

You are changing the power factor (making it closer to one).
This will decrease the current (AMPS) but has NO EFFECT on the power being dissipated.

ONLY for a purely resistive load.
Motors are an inductive load.
By placing a capacitor in parallel with the motor the NET power factor is adjusted.

For users billed by power factor (industrial users) it is to there benefit to get a lower rate per watt by adjusting the power factor.

Power factor shows up in UPS devices also.
Most now quote a VA they support.
Computer power supplies also look inductive because of the step down transformer used.
There have been newer standards that have required the power supplies to add some power factor correction.

A pure inductor would dissipate zero power.
The current and voltage waveforms are 90 degrees apart.
The power factor would be 0 (cos 90 = ZERO).
There is a small loss in the resistance of the wire in a practical inductor, but the power factor remains very small.

The power factor correction device absorbs/supplies reactive current from/to the load during the AC cycle. Thus it reduces the reactive current flowing between the meter and the correcting device, but doesn't change the actual power consumed in the load. Since the meter doesn't charge for the reactive current/power it doesn't change the meter reading.

In the equation Power = Volts * (Amps * PF) at the meter, the product in parenthesis has not changed even though amps and PF have.

The only (trivial) savings is the reduced I-squared R loss in the wire between the meter and correcting device.

Every reason to since you are selling bovine scatology.

PF is NOT a measure of efficiency.

Residential users are NOT charged by PF, just real dissipated power.

"(use a meter and measure how much power you draw with a unit and with out...)- but also your real current is decreasing because you are only supplying enough current to keep the electrical motors running which is much less current than to magnetize the coils in the inductive elements."

The only meter that works for this is a true watt-hour meter.
You cannot measure voltage and current and obtain dissipated power.
If the waveform for current is a sine wave, you can measure the power factor and compute dissipated power.

If the waveform is NOT a sine wave (a rather common occurrence with many electronic loads) you need a watt-hour meter.

There are some electronic models (big $$), but they still have accuracy problems with non-sinusoidal waveforms, and the more distorted the waveform the more the error.
The only way to use them for accurate measurements is to verify the current waveform is within the units capabilities.

PF correction has NO advantage to a homeowner.
None.
It will not save you enough money on the I^2*R losses to ever pay for the unit, or the slight losses IT has.

Capacitors 'leak' and dissipate a very small amount of power asll by themselves.

It simply refuses to die.

BTW - I literally watched the meter slow down on most recent unit installed. (yes you can quote this and come up with something to say about it - maybe like 'well where's the video' or 'he's so full of it...'.) I'm not posting on here to be argumentative but just to challenge this misconception that consumers are not charged based on powerfactor - they are not charged penalties for low pf, no. But if your equipment draws more real current to makeup for the KVa not supplied by the utility company due to distribution limitations - this will translate to more power.

You can go to wikipedia also - there was a good article on it there as well. Yes - a non sinusoidal wave form (like circuits with AC to DC rectifiers in it) can't have the pf corrected with capacitance alone due to resonance/harmonic changes in the wave form (according to wiki - I haven't went back to electromagnetic fields text book).

Here's a quote from wiki also...

For example, to get 1 kW of real power, if the power factor is unity, 1 kVA of apparent power needs to be transferred (1 kW ÷ 1 = 1 kVA). At low values of power factor, more apparent power needs to be transferred to get the same real power. To get 1 kW of real power at 0.2 power factor, 5 kVA of apparent power needs to be transferred (1 kW ÷ 0.2 = 5 kVA). This apparent power must be produced and transmitted to the load in the conventional fashion, and is subject to the usual distributed losses in the production and transmission processes.

I think on the next one I see I'll do a video of the meter - I think that would put this to rest...

Like I said - I'm not an engineer or someone who has worked in the power industry. I'm just making notes based on observation. Spam? or raising awareness? Whatever you want to call it.

And these losses DO NOT appear directly on your bill since your meter is AFTER the "production and transmission processes".

These losses ARE why large users are billed for poor power factor.
It costs the utility money to install the larger equipment to meet the V-A demand, and increases the distribution losses.

Unless the POCO wants to give you a price break for a better PF and not contributing to the network losses, why should you spend money solely for their benefit?

These losses ARE why large users are billed for poor power factor.
It costs the utility money to install the larger equipment to meet the V-A demand, and increases the distribution losses.

Unless the POCO wants to give you a price break for a better PF and not contributing to the network losses, why should you spend money solely for their benefit?"

Sorry - I've done a search for this acronym "POCO" - what is that again?
The main thing your leaving out of consideration is that line loss isn't the only source of savings... the source of savings is where the electric motor pulls less energy (in the form of current) to constantly spin the motor and keep/create the EM Field established around the coil.

Even the department of energy has talked about this very issue - here's a quote:
http://www1.eere.energy.gov/industry/bestpractices/pdfs/mc60405.pdf

[Why Improve Your Power Factor?
Some of the benefits of improving your power factor are as follows:
• Your utility bill will be smaller. Low power factor requires an increase in the electric utility’s generation and
transmission capacity to handle the reactive power component caused by inductive loads. Utilities usually
charge a penalty fee to customers with power factors less than 0.95. You can avoid this additional fee by
increasing your power factor.
• Your electrical system’s branch capacity will increase. Uncorrected power factor will cause power losses in your
distribution system. You may experience voltage drops as power losses increase. Excessive voltage drops can
cause overheating and premature failure of motors and other inductive equipment.]

The overheating of motors they are talking about in the last sentence is from the over supply of real current since it does not provide reactive current to most customers (excepting industrial or large commercial that have that expensive equipment your talking about). What the device in question does is charge a capacitor, supply the motor as it needs reactive current locally (at the box or motor), then exchanges this current between the inductive(motors)/capacitive(KVAR unit) elements.
Bottom line - if your bill is under $250 a month I wouldn't even think about buying one of these units. If its more - it may be something to think about. Not to sound too much like a salesman (I really do want to help people and the environment - thats why I'm behind this product line and concept)- it doesn't only supply reactive current locally but a modest surge protection - for your whole house if installed at the box.

The case I mentioned had a bill over $500/ month in electricity (big AC unit, local well pump, those big Washer/Dryer units, Refrigerator, Freezer - I think thats it) - We just tested it with the AC on not any other loads - with and without the unit. Like I said the amount the meter turned over the course of (1) hour decreased.

Do you see what I'm saying as far as supplying reactive current (for non-linear - i.e. inductive loads) locally so the Utility doesn't have to over-supply real current or do you disagree with that statement?

I was wondering if this device might help with the lights dimming when my air conditioner starts. When the ac starts, all the light in my house dim. I was thinking that since this device is a capacitor, it might help with this.

Any thoughts? If not, are there other options/solutions to help with this.

Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

"Sorry - I've done a search for this acronym "POCO" - what is that again?"
POwer COmpany.

"The main thing your leaving out of consideration is that line loss isn't the only source of savings... the source of savings is where the electric motor pulls less energy (in the form of current) to constantly spin the motor and keep/create the EM Field established around the coil."
Current is NOT power.
Power = Current x Voltage x Power Factor.
Reducing current does not necessarily reduce real power.
"Even the department of energy has talked about this very issue - here's a quote:
http://www1.eere.energy.gov/industry/bestpractices/pdfs/mc60405.pdf
[Why Improve Your Power Factor?
Some of the benefits of improving your power factor are as follows:
• Your utility bill will be smaller. Low power factor requires an increase in the electric utility’s generation and
transmission capacity to handle the reactive power component caused by inductive loads. Utilities usually
charge a penalty fee to customers with power factors less than 0.95. You can avoid this additional fee by
increasing your power factor.
NOT TRUE for residential customers.
You are NOT billed for power factor.

"• Your electrical system’s branch capacity will increase. Uncorrected power factor will cause power losses in your
distribution system. You may experience voltage drops as power losses increase. Excessive voltage drops can
cause overheating and premature failure of motors and other inductive equipment.] "
Notice the word "distribution system"?
You are not billed directly for distribution losses, and will NOT receive a credit for reducing them.
They are ‘included’ in your rate and are NOT adjusted for residential users.
"The overheating of motors they are talking about in the last sentence is from the over supply of real current since it does not provide reactive current to most customers (excepting industrial or large commercial that have that expensive equipment your talking about)."
You cannot have an "over supply of real current."
Loads pull current based on their impedance on the POCO grid impedance (not a factor for residential loads).
"What the device in question does is charge a capacitor, supply the motor as it needs reactive current locally (at the box or motor), then exchanges this current between the inductive(motors)/capacitive(KVAR unit) elements."
What the device does is place a capacitor n series with your line to adjust the phase of the overall load.
It does NOT "supply the motor as it needs reactive current locally."
It adjusts the phase by adding capacitive reactance to the inductive load.
IF the load is inductive.
"Bottom line - if your bill is under $250 a month I wouldn't even think about buying one of these units. If its more - it may be something to think about. Not to sound too much like a salesman (I really do want to help people and the environment - thats why I'm behind this product line and concept)- it doesn't only supply reactive current locally but a modest surge protection - for your whole house if installed at the box."
"The case I mentioned had a bill over $500/ month in electricity (big AC unit, local well pump, those big Washer/Dryer units, Refrigerator, Freezer - I think thats it) - We just tested it with the AC on not any other loads - with and without the unit. Like I said the amount the meter turned over the course of (1) hour decreased."
BS.
"Do you see what I'm saying as far as supplying reactive current (for non-linear - i.e. inductive loads) locally so the Utility doesn't have to over-supply real current or do you disagree with that statement? "
The utility must size the equipment (mostly pole transformers) fort the V-A load present.
They do NOT give you a price break for helping reduce the reactive power in residential billing.
While reactive power increases the utilities expenses and losses, you are not paying for them directly.
They are NOT measured by a watt-hour meter.
Watt-hour meters measure REAL power.
The reactive component is out of phase in the meter windings and does NOT register.
There are meters that can measure reactive power but they are not used in single family residential.
They are used in industrial and very occasionally apartment buildings.

Brickeyee has covered most of this really well. I'll add that reactive loads are linear. Power-factor correction of the sort being discussed in this thread does little to nothing for nonlinear loads, even when the POCO is charging you for power factor.

Surges do not even register on a kW-hr meter.

They are voltage surges, and while they can do damage to electronics there is no current with the voltage surge until something fails.

The current that then flows is far outside the capacity of a kW-hr meter to register it has ZERO effect on the power measured.

kW-hr meters are small electric motors with a specific combination of current and voltage to turn the dials in the meter.
High frequency anomalies on the power line are unable to overcome the inertia of the mechanical portions of the meter (or the time constants in a completely electronic meter)and do not register

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In response to bus driver, How do you know savings do not exist? Have you ever used or looked at a gesper? What makes you an expert on savings?

If I had a unit, I would send it to brickeyee today.

So you have personal experience with these devices where they have been used throughout US and Mexico, but you don't sell them or have any interest in marketing them? And you've known about these great savings for years but haven't bought one yourself?

Please tell us how you could have such extensive experience with them? What line of business are you in? Or do you just take vacation time and travel all over the US and Mexico talking to people about their experience with these units just for fun? Personally I'd rather spend my vacation on a beach sipping margaritas, but I guess to each his own.

I also purchased the automotive throttle tornado thing that causes a vortex in your intake to save like 50% on your gas mileage. Right now between the hydrolizer, gas tornado, and magnetic fuel filter my car makes gas going down the road. I'm sticking it to BIG OIL!

I'm glad to see a product out there that will allow me to screw the utility company too! I can't wait to get one (or a dozen) of these!

That being said I feel guilty for continuing this thread......

"GESPER will eliminate most of the static electricity that can cause major damage to electronics. This makes your power supply more energy efficient."

Static electricity is generated in a number of ways.
After walking across the carpet the sprak you get when touching metallic objects (even is they are not grounded) is static electricity.
GESPER cannot protect, prevent, or "eliminate" this source.

If they are referring to lightning as "static electricity" they are sort of right, but surge suppressors are all about the same. MOV (Metal Oxide Varistors) are the most common protection device.
They start to conduct at a voltage above the normal operating voltage of a circuit, and thus ‘clamp’ the voltage by dumping current to ground.
There are other devices like spark gaps, TVS diodes, and zener diodes (and others) that can perform the same function
They all have applications in certain places.
There is NO information about what devices are in a "GESPER."

None of these devices are absolute protection, and in things like TELCO woring at the central office a cascade of devices are used to provide protection from lightning strikes.

Spark gaps can handle larger voltages and currents, but still allow a significant rise downstream.
MOVs are the next line of defense. They can clamp at lower voltages, but are damaged each time they break over and conduct.
TVS or zener diodes are often the next line, since they can operate at even lower break over voltages, but without the other devices in front are easily damaged by high current.

"With the improved efficiency, the GESPER also offers savings on the kWh (energy) consumed by improving the current (amps), voltage, power factor, kVAR, and reduce harmonics."

Residential power is NOT billed for V-A (reactive power). Poor power factor does not increase a residential bill to any degree. The wire loses from a poor power factor after the meter are not significant.

Reducing the current is NOT reducing the power.
Improving the power factor does NOT reduce the power used.
Harmonics do NOT register on a Watt-hour meter.

There is an entire market aimed at ripping off people who do not understand electricity and how it is measured and delivered.

This is another one of those products.

Yah, stop talking about scientific facts and look at a bit of anecdotal evidence created by marketing teams looking to make a quick buck.

Threads die after 150 posts. So I guess this one will keep popping up for a while.

ONLY for a resistance load.
For all other loads (especially motors) power = amps * volts * POWER FACTOR.

The power factor accounts for the electrical angle between the voltage waveform and the current waveform.
A perfect iductor would have ZERO power dissipated since its power factor (PF) would be ZERO.
The same applies to a perfect capacitor, PF = 0.

It seems very easy to slap a capacitor across the lines when an inductive load is present (and most loads look inductive) and then show the current has decreased.
The current has decreased by the same amount as the power factor has been improved.
There is NO CHANGE in the real power being measured by the meter.

So before I get all the hate mail, etc from all of you 'experts' on this topic, let me state I was one of the skeptics, I bought one & installed it in my house, used it for a YEAR, reduced my overall consumption by 12.5%, and I live in SE PA. I am an electrician, and I sell & install them. As such, I DO NOT SELL OR RECOMMEND INSTALLATION OF ANY PRODUCT UNLESS I HAVE TESTED OR CURRENTLY USE IT MY OWN HOME!!!!

If you don't believe, then feel free to do your own ACTUAL TESTING of a product before you anecdotally slam it!!!

If you have ACTUALLY TESTED IT (brickeyee - if power factor was 'Zero' then you'd have an extremely INEFFICIENT MOTOR - A PF of 1 is actually the MOST EFFICIENT, so you've got your numbers, and your theory backwards!!), then let's hear back from you, as to why you do or don't recommend the product, huh???

As always, "Live Safe Electrically".

TEST IT YOURSELF OR SHUT UP!!!!

As always - 'Live Safe Electrically'

Decreasing current to a motor by adjusting power factor does NOT change the total power drawn.

'Case studies' are a BS way to create hype in engineering.

Notice there is no independent lab testing showing the benefit of these device?

Power factor costs the utility money since transformers are sized for the volt-ampere load they must support.
Even if some of the power is reactive and NOT dissipated and billable, it creates losses in the grid.

If the POCO offers you a rate cut for correcting your power factor then it might be worth doing some adjustment.

Very large users often pay based on both peak real power AND worst power factor.
It is worthwhile to adjust if the rate for dissipated (AKA 'real') power is based on power factor and you have large loads (typically inductive motors).

For about the tenth time, power is amps * volts * power factor.

When you adjust the power factor of a motor by adding capacitors the current goes down, but it is by the same proportion the power factor goes UP.

We are not required to test the claims of vendors selling bovine scatology.
It is up to the vendor to provide verifiable third party lab test results backing the claims being made.

All of them hype it, KEC for one

There is some proven validity to their advertisements

Try it youself, or SHUT THE PIE HOLE!!!

BTW - I STILL WON"T SELL A PRODUCT TO MY CUSTOMERS THAT DOESN'T WORK!!! AND THIS DOES!!!!!

Anyone who want's copies of my BILLS...JUST LET ME KNOW!!!

I know, we should use it to get you an education because I'm sure the roughest years three years [sic] of your life was [sic] the fifth grade.

Hey bus driver - stick to driving buses - it's probably the only thing you are almost competent at!!!

Your electrician buddy tiny tim is grouping all power factor improvement products together and this proves how shollow [sic] and short sided [sic] his views are.

Bus driver, boy do you know how to optimize the stupid factor.

Try it youself, [sic] or SHUT THE PIE HOLE!!!

...please don't post anymore oppinions [sic] because it's obvious you got your head up your ass!

Go to you tube you boob.

And the pity of it is that the borg seems clueless about why its arguments are gaining no traction here.

Enough of these insulting, unjustified and childish personal attacks aimed at well-respected contributors to this forum who regularly give of their time to answer electrical wiring questions raised by DIYers in good faith. PLEASE!

A lower A/C load this summer resulted in far fewer degree-cooling days.

Engineering does not work on 'case studies' or any other BS of adjusting power factor to save kW-hr on te meter.

A capacitor across the power lines will have a limited ability to reduce voltage surges.
Compared to the typical POCO disturbance it is ineffective for any normal load.
Search for 'CBEMA curve' and then figure out what capacitance would be required to produce any effective surge protection.
You cannot afford it.

Surges are dealt with by clamping the line voltage, most commonly with MOV (Meta Oxide Varistor) devices.
They are a series of junctions set to break down above the normal operating voltage.
The problem is that there is no current limit, and every time they break over they are damaged.
Some portion of the junctions fuse, and no longer have any break over voltage.
Eventually the break over voltage is so low that the device conducts at regular operating voltages and is quickly destroyed.

While P. T. Barnum is often credited with "There's a sucker born every minute" you are trying to keep up with him.

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This higher math is so confusing.

Hmmm. I think the conservative projection is 143 x 12.5%, or 1785.5%--even more if you don't have an electric hot water heater or oven/range.

The real question is this: How many wire nuts will it take? These need to be amortized and depreciated over the expected life of the KVAR.

Wayne: Your wife still has hair? I really envy you, man, but I seriously doubt you have a KVAR.

When I put in my KVAR, my wife's hair fell out within a few weeks. But the good news is that we've saved an average of 51.8% on our monthly shampoo bill.

http://www.nojitter.com/blog/archives/2008/08/power_factor_co.html

http://www.nojitter.com/blog/archives/2008/06/update_on_green.html

http://peswiki.com/index.php/Article:Are_U.S._CFL's_Designed_to_Make_U s_Pay_More_on_Our_Power_Bills%3F

And there's plenty more out there too.....

BTW - Still waiting for one of you bloviators to post the links to all those blogs out there from ACTUAL people that used the devices & had to get their money back......still waiting...........still.........waiting.........

Theory is one thing....application is another one altogether......"He who can, does. He who can't, teaches"

They work......try it.........they all have a money-back guarantee if they don't work......

Wait a minute....cooler temps??? Are you saying that Al Gore is wrong & that global warming is nothing but a scam??? And I thought it was warmer this summer where I was.......

Here's another one. This guy has tested several devices that reader's have sent him and none of them worked. And he talked to a couple of different people at different utility companies that told him that they don't work for residential users.

Is that good enough? It's exactly what you asked for.

No, actually, they are not two totally different things.

If you know anything at all about the scientific method, surely you must know that a theory is refuted if conflicting empirical results can be demonstrated under measurable and replicable conditions.

What Brickeyee, Bus Driver and others have based their arguments upon are well-accepted scientific theories constituting testable models verified through empirical observation. They are not mere conjecture or hypotheses in the nature of personal opinions or beliefs. Nor are they mere ideals that have no relationship to actual fact.

If you, by virtue of uncontrolled "experiments" in your garage, can demonstrate that any of these theories do not comport with your replicable empirical evidence, I'd say you have a Nobel Prize in your future.

For more information on what is meant by a scientific theory, try the link below.

149....Be my guest.

"About ENERGY STAR

ENERGY STAR is a joint program of the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency and the U.S. Department of Energy helping us all save money and protect the environment through energy efficient products and practices."

"Question
Do Power Factor Correction Devices (sometimes called Amp Reduction Units or KVAR) really save money? Can they earn the ENERGY STAR label?
Answer

ENERGY STAR does not qualify any Power Factor Correction Devices. Please send us an email at logomisuse@energystar.gov if you see one that claims to be ENERGY STAR certified.

Power Factor Correction Devices claim to reduce residential energy bills and to prolong the productive life cycles of motors and appliances by reducing the reactive power (kVAR) that is needed from the electric utility.

We have not seen any data that proves these types of products for residential use accomplish what they claim. Power factor correction devices improve power quality but do not generally improve energy efficiency (meaning they won't reduce your energy bill). There are several reasons why their energy efficiency claims could be exaggerated. First, residential customers are not charged for KVA-hour usage, but by kilowatt-hour usage. This means that any savings in energy demand will not directly result in lowering a residential user's utility bill. Second, the only potential for real power savings would occur if the product were only put in the circuit while a reactive load (such as a motor) were running, and taken out of the circuit when the motor is not running. This is impractical, given that there are several motors in a typical home that can come on at any time (refrigerator, air conditioner, HVAC blower, vacuum cleaner, etc.), but the unit itself is intended for permanent, unattended connection near the house breaker panel."

All that means is it has been tested as safe. It won't burn down your house or electrocute you. They don't test whether the unit actually does what it claims.

I woke up this morning and drank a cup of tea that I have never tried before. Not long after that, an ambulance pulled up in front of my neighbours house and I found out that he had died of a heart attack at exactly the same time that I finished my cup of tea. I guess I should throw out the rest of those teabags, because I don't want to cause anyone else's death. There is no scientific proof that my drinking the tea caused his death, but according to pa_electric_man, anecdotal evidence trumps science. That's too bad because it was really tasty tea.

I'd be in shock if anyone here had written anything positive about your videos. Where are the rave reviews? Did I miss something?

Maybe you guys should buy a couple of six-packs and a value carton of Cheetos and register another bogus newbie account so you can post a testimonial endorsing your videos. Oh yeah, and have fun giggling while you're making it up.

Darn, I guess this forum doesn't have the 150 post limit.

That theory has been disproven by actual evidence.

The first hit I got was this thread.

Did you really set out to Google-bomb yourselves, Rich and Rob? Heh, the more people who locate this thread and read it, the better, IMO.

(I love the pairing of your names: Rich and Rob. What could better sum up your motivations as you continue to spam this forum?)

For example, a 1kW inductive load will try to do 1kW of work. That is, if the PF decreases, the current will increase in an attempt to maintain the required level of work (Ohms Law).

If you have 1kw of work to be done, the meter will see 1 Kw if the power factor is 1. If the power factor is less than 1, then the meter will see more than 1 kw for 1 kw of work, due to the increase of current (amps).

Power Factor is a unitless ratio of work (real power) / apparent power (volts * amps). For a resistive load the power factor is 1 and work = apparent power. Assuming work is a constant, and the power factor is less than 1, then the volts * amps must be greater than actual work. Since voltage is constant (assuming no voltage drop on feeders) the current increases. A single phase Kwh meter sees the volts * amps.

The meter does not see the power factor of any load. All the meter sees is the increased current of a load with a power factor lower than 1 which means more watts. If you have a motor with a PF of .6 and replace it with a motor with a PF of 1.0 the meter will see less current and thus less power.
Assuming a 5 amp draw on a continuous-run induction motor:
120V * .6PF * 5A = Meter sees 360W
Raise the power factor with a new motor:
120V * 1.0PF * 3A = Meter sees 360W

Assume the motor is the same motor (lousy PF), if you correct the power factor on the LINE side, the LOAD side remains the same, but the LINE side is reduced by 3 amps.
Seems like pretty simple math to me.....but I'm just a lowly electrician that's seeing lower electric bills, not a high-falutin phd!!??!!

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As always: "Live Safe Electrically"

Anyone have any un-insulting comments regarding a similar device shown in the NEC book?

Being that i use 11 - 1000 hps ballasts, 2 - 24k btu air conditioners, 3 dehumidifiers and multiple fans i thought that i could use this product!

I Purchased the kvar unit and my electricity bill WENT DOWN! I averaged $1400 a month EVERY MONTH for the last 3 years! After purchasing this Kvar device, my electric bill for the for the last 2 months ended up being $1087 and $1062 respectively!

I WOULD RECOMMEND THIS PRODUCT TO ALL INDOOR GROWERS! Not only has it saved me money, but it actually lowered the amperage reading on ALL of my equipment. Before the kvar installation, my 1000 watt 220 volt HPS ballast was drawing 5.4 amps. AFTER the installation of the kvar unit, the same ballast drew 2.8 amps! THAT IS HUGE! Now i am not scared of my breakers popping or of the electrical system overheating and causing fire!

Not ony has the kvar unit paid for itself in its first month of use..... But, Just having the piece of mind knowing that the overall amperage load is reduced which means my breakers wont overload and either pop or cause a fire..... IS PRICELESS...

Is this product be good for the average home owner PROBABLY NOT..... IS this product good for the average indoor grower? DEFINITELY!

We are considering AC-Alternating Current- in which the voltage is constantly varying from a positive peak value to a negative peak value, and back again, in a smooth curve called a Sine wave. If the load is resistive, like a water heater or even a standard light bulb, the peak voltage and peak current occur at the same instant, so the (peak) power is the product of these two. VA=Watts, PF=1

In an inductive load, the peak current occurs later than the voltage peak, so the current is lower when the voltage is max, and the voltage is lower when the current is max. Since voltmeters and ammeters do not know about each other, they will both read a value (the RMS value, which is similar to an "average) related to the peak of each parameter, but the actual product or real power at any given instant is less than the product of the two peak values since they do not peak at the same time.

For a capacitive load, the current peak occurs before the voltage peak, but the result is the same, since the peak voltage and peak current do not occur at the same instant.

The product of the two independent meter readings is Volts * Amps, or volt-amps. The actual product of all the instantaneous values is Watts. The power factor is the ratio of these two, and can never be greater than 1.

I hope this is useful in helping understanding of AC power.