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Posted by ken_in_kc (kkranz1@yahoo.com) on Mon, Jun 29, 09 at 14:02
| Had a strange electrical event at my work last week. After a thunderstorm, many of the outlets at my work place were only showing about 55 volts when we arrived the next morning. A few circuits has 110V. Nothing that used 220 volts would start.
I work in a laboratory/pilot plant facility that uses both 110 and 220 volt for some of the various lab equipment, heaters, and motors. Normal electrical service was restored later in the morning.
We found it strange that the voltage could be cut in half. How exactly does that happen? I realize 220V is two 110's. Don't see how the voltage splits downward that far.
Ken |
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RE: how to you get 55 volts coming from an outlet?
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| Hard to venture a guess, but it's possible that a leg of the three phase higher voltage feeder died and this is how it manifested itself on your side of the stepdown transformer. |
RE: how to you get 55 volts coming from an outlet?
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| Probably one of the hot lines was out and you were using a digital meter reading phantom voltage. Likely the voltage was really zero. |
RE: how to you get 55 volts coming from an outlet?
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| Thanks for the replies. What exactly does it mean when you say a "leg of the three phase"? I've heard this term before. Did we have 2 phase and what is a "phase" and "leg" as it relates to electricity? I'm a chemist so electricity is out of my area of knowledge, at least anything more than 110V. We did use a cheapie analog test meter showing low voltage. Some of the lights were pretty dim, so I'm sure we really did have 1/2 normal voltage in many circuits. |
RE: how to you get 55 volts coming from an outlet?
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| Many commercial buildings are served by three phase power unlike the single phase power that most residences use. It typically gets passed around at about 13KV and gets dropped down sometimes to 480V before being ultimately dropped to 120V. All commercial power is generated this way. Your typical residence gets one phase dropped down to 240V with a center tap that is grounded giving two 120V 180-degree out of phase legs. It's possible your 240 you are using is in fact only the 208 that leg-to-leg three phase would yield. (since they are 120 degrees out of phase, they are off increased by 1/sin(60) not 2. |
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| "What exactly does it mean when you say a "leg of the three phase"?" A bad mixture of words? 3-phase power has just that, 3 phases. A Y-system has a neutral that is 0 volts 'betweeen all 3 phases (one end of each phase winding is grounded) while a delta system has no neutral point. Y systems need 4 wires, delta systems can use only 3. The penalty for delta systems is circulating current around the delta. The voltage is a sine wave on each phase running 120 degrees separated from the others. If you call one zero degrees, the others are at +/- 120 degrees from that one. Leg is used for single phase power like 120/240 V. The legs are 180 degrees apart, but actual 2-phase is 90 degrees so 'leg' is used. The 120/240 V is created from distribution voltage 7.2 kV and up) using a transformer. The secondary of the transformer is center tapped, and that point is grounded. This allows 240 V across the entire winding, but 120 V from either end of the winding to the center point. Pole transformers can be run from line-to-line on the 3-phase distribution system, or line-to-neutral on If you one phase is missing you can get all sort of strange voltages on the output side of a line-to-line transformer, depending on what loads are present on the 3-phase system. |
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| You did actually have 55 volts if lights were dim. No phantom voltage this time. The power company (POCO) had a problem on one of the lines feeding your building. |
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| OK, when you say the voltage is a sine wave it makes sense to me. Should have remembered that, I suppose. Our power is actually 208volts coming into the building. The little analog meter was reading around 50 volts or so, more or less. Didn't look close, we were just trying to figure out what the heck was going on. It did fry a board on one of our analytical instruments that's left on all the time. Thanks for the explanation, guys. Ken |
RE: how to you get 55 volts coming from an outlet?
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| Dropping a phase can play havoc on any 3 phase motors you have as well. We've lost single phases in our building at times as well. |
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