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Extending low-voltage wiring (wire not long enough)

Posted by happygoluckyx (My Page) on
Tue, Apr 21, 09 at 17:20

Hi there!

I have 2 MR11 20W 12V mini low-voltage lights (Eurofase). The package contains a class II transformer suitable to power both together, and well as some quick-connect connectors.

I would like to have them both attached to a single switch. However, the amount of wiring is not long enough to reach the switch for even one light, nor is the wire between the two lights long enough.

I need about 5 feet to get from the switch to the first light, and about 15 feet from the first light to the second. The transformer is rated for 60W, so I don't think I'll have an issue with voltage drop. Actually, it's a 3 bulb package (3x20W), but I'll only use 2 bulbs.

So, the question is, can I splice together some 14/2 wire to this packaged wire and be still within code? What are some other alternatives? The transformer and all wiring will be concealed.

Thanks!


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RE: Extending low-voltage wiring (wire not long enough)

Concealed or exposed wiring?

Voltage drop has nothing to do with transformer capacity since the actual drop is in the wires themselves.


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RE: Extending low-voltage wiring (wire not long enough)

I thought voltage drop was a function of voltage and wiring gauge and length, especially if approaching the max load of the transformer, hence the different voltage taps available on some transformers -- then again, maybe that's just due solely on the length/gauge of the wire. In any case, I mention it just in case the 15 or so feet might make a difference.

All the wiring will be concealed.


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RE: Extending low-voltage wiring (wire not long enough)

Any ideas? Thanks!


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RE: Extending low-voltage wiring (wire not long enough)

I'm not sure I understand your situation exactly. You bought a kit from Eurofase, right? Is it one that plugs into an outlet or one that you would install like track lighting, or would the lights be recessed into the ceiling with the transformer hidden somewhere?

You definitely should not splice wire into the existing kit wiring and then hide the junction in the ceiling. Wire runs between the switch and the transformer, the transformer and the first light, and the first light and the second light should all be continuous. Any junctions as well as the transformer should be accessible.


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RE: Extending low-voltage wiring (wire not long enough)

@bill: Yes, this is a kit from Eurofase. It's one which has a class II transformer that is meant to be placed in a junction box. The lights will be recessed into two "niches", which are about 15 feet apart. Since it's low-voltage, could I not "splice" the load side wires? If I cannot, what are my alternatives?


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RE: Extending low-voltage wiring (wire not long enough)

I am reading from your first post that you are wanting to switch the low voltage. This is wrong. You should be switching the line (120 volt) side.
Not sure if is code requirement but I would only make splices at the transformer or the lights.


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RE: Extending low-voltage wiring (wire not long enough)

The basic layout should be

1) Your switch should be fed from the branch circuit.
2) The transformer should be in a junction box that is accessible - eg not behind a finished wall. The transformer will break eventually.
3) The power should run from the switch to the transformer on a continuous wire.
4) The wire between the transformer and the first light should be continuous.
5) The wire between the first light and the second light should be continuous.

Any wire that you use before the transformer should be of the same gauge as the wire coming to the switch. Any wire after the transformer needs to be of at least comparable gauge to the wires that came in your kit, just longer. If that means you have to buy some additional wire for any of those runs, so be it. Even if the chance starting a fire with a low voltage wire is small, it still isn't something you want to splice and then hide inside a wall or ceiling.

Treating 12V like normal voltage might seem like overkill, but you can easily start a fire with a 9V battery and some steel wool. Low voltage means that it won't kill you if you touch the wire. It doesn't mean that it can't create heat or a spark. If you are burying low voltage lights for landscaping, you don't really need to worry about catching the ground on fire. If you are going to put low voltage wires in your walls or ceiling or anything else that could burn, then you should take the same safety precautions that you would with any other wiring.


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