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| Why are four wires used for a 240v dryer or range. I know one is the neutral and one is the ground, but they are both attached to the same ground panel in the breaker box. The transformer to house cable has only 3 wires. If the wire gauge is sufficient, it seems to me that the circuit is the same. Why not connected together inside the appliance? I am not trying to be an electrician but I am curious. I don't need to know "it is the code". Thanks |
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| first you have to understand the function of the wires. the 2 hots are easy.. they carry the 240 volt currents now it gets a little more complicated the ground...you know the wire that ties to the neutral at the panel? got it? |
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| In fact, in olden days, the dryer circuits were 3-wire. A dedicated ground requirement was added in more recent electrical codes. You may need a neutral wire for 120V loads on the dryer, light and controls, probably. You have 120V across either of the hot conductors and the neutral. The 240V is across both hot conductors. The independent ground is for safety. |
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- Posted by bus_driver (My Page) on Sun, Feb 5, 12 at 6:52
| With 3 conductors or with the neutral and ground connected together within the dryer, if the ground/neutral combined is broken and the "hot" wires remain intact, turning on the dryer will place 120 volt potential onto all the metal parts of the dryer. The neutral carries current for the motor in the dryer, the lighting and the timer. With ground and neutral combined and broken within the cord or earlier within the circuit, the neutral current has no place to go and the dryer will not work. But the housing will be energized at 120 volts- waiting to bite a person. With 4 conductors and the ground and neutral separate within the dryer, if a break/cut or failure of the ground and neutral occur, the dryer will not work. But no hazard arises because no current carrying conductors are bonded to the dryer housing. |
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| "A dedicated ground requirement was added in more recent electrical codes." dryers and rangs ad a special exception that allowed -wire ciruits. Sonce the timers and often the drum morot are often 120 V loads the dryer was really a 120/240 V combination load that would require a 4-wire circuit. The exception allowed 9and still grandfathers) 3-wire circuits for ONLY dryers and ranges. All other 120/240 V loads have required 4-wres for a very long time. The circuit used to power houses and large residential loads is an Edison circuit. It has the advantage of having 240 V available for larger loads, while not having any voltage greater than 120 V to ground (or neutral) present. |
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| Thanks. I still can't understand the difference in where the wires are connected at the appliance or the entrance box. The circuit is still the same, if wire gauge is large enough to carry the current without resistance. I can understand the safety of having 2 wires to ground at the box in case one gets disconnected. I am not being argumentive. At my level of knowledge on the subject it is just difficult. Thanks again to each of you. |
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| I also found info at mikeholt.com More complicated, but all of the info from every source is appreciated. I had seen a wiring diagram and it just seemed redundant. |
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- Posted by bus_driver (My Page) on Mon, Feb 6, 12 at 7:03
| If the neutral becomes broken or disconnected anywhere between the panel and the load when the load is energized by the hot, the broken end of the neutral nearest the load becomes energized at 120 volts. Are we together on that? Would you want a conductor that is energized at 120 volts attached to the outer body of an appliance? |
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| "The circuit is still the same, if wire gauge is large enough to carry the current without resistance." There is ALWAYS a voltage drop in a wire carrying current, no matter how large the wire is. The grounding conductor (AKA 'safety ground') is NOT intended to be part of the circuit in normal operation. It is there to keep the chassis at zero volts to earth, and provide a path for fault currents to trip breakers (or fuses) if the chassis should become electrically hot from a fault in the equipment. Very old radios without a polarized plug could have the chassis at 120 V. Since no current is flowing in the grounding conductor (safety ground) it is reliably at zero volts to earth. The neutral (AKA grounded conductor) is NOT at zero volts since it is part of the circuit, carries current, and the current creates a voltage drop (it may be very small, but it is not zero). A typical US house uses an Edison circuit, created by grounding the center tap of the secondary winding on the pole transformer. This limits the voltages to 120 V to earth, while providing 240 V leg-to-leg for larger loads. One of the hazards that was created by using metal water pipes as a grounding electrode is that water line workers can be injured or killed. Arguably the current might still be there if the pipe was NOT used as a grounding electrode though. |
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