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| Take a pendant light that hangs at a level where you can touch it. It comes ready to hardwire into a ceiling box.
Cut off the wires that come on it, including the ground. Substitute a length of extension cord. Attach a plug to the end. Plug this into a socket adaptor. Screw the socket adaptor into a lightbulb socket on a ventilation fan. Would this pass inspection? Is UL approval voided? Do light fixtures need UL approval or is this a locally decided thing? |
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- Posted by ronnatalie (My Page) on Thu, Feb 25, 10 at 5:34
| It's certainly against UL approval. If I were going to play games like that, I'd do it after the inspector was there. |
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| Everything past the screw in socket I don't think is covered under NEC. It falls under UL aprooval. |
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- Posted by plumeriavine (My Page) on Thu, Feb 25, 10 at 11:00
| Does this type of a set-up lead to a safety hazard? |
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| They are sub-optimal connections. - socket adaptor into a lightbulb socket - a length of extension cord - a homemade splice. (?) I hope everything remains visible, in good condition and distant from other objects. Someone one day might wrap a damp tea towel around a taped bump where your extension cord splice is. Reminds me that one is supposed to plug a fridge into an outlet and not into an extension cord, but I cannot explain why. |
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- Posted by weedmeister (My Page) on Thu, Feb 25, 10 at 14:37
| This sounds like something my father would have done. I assume now that the lamp is no longer grounded since the ground wire was cut off? |
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- Posted by plumeriavine (My Page) on Thu, Feb 25, 10 at 19:03
| Yes - does seem like it to me that it is no longer grounded. Not sure if it is NEC or UL - - someone told me that lamps you can touch need to be grounded. Does anyone know? Also, I am thinking that there might be an NEC violation - - no splices on flexible hanging cords. Can anyone confirm that? |
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| I guess this isn't the "right" responsible answer but it's certainly reflective of reality, at least where I am. You can buy anything you want, and the day the government effectively stops you from modifying commercial products will be the day all scientific development comes to a screeching halt as invention will no longer be permitted by law. All you are talking about doing is purchasing "hanging lamp parts" (bulbholder, cord, necessary adapters) which are partially preassembled, and assembling them into a plug-in hanging lamp. You will then plug it in. |
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| you've modified a piece of equipment that came factory wired a certain way. In doing so you've voided any UL listing. In doing so, using said piece of equipment is against the NEC. Can you get away it? Sure. Will the inspector say anything? Who knows. |
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- Posted by plumeriavine (My Page) on Fri, Feb 26, 10 at 1:03
| When I pay someone to professionally install a light, I am not expecting them to splice away at the fixture in an effort to save themselves the time and energy to properly mount it according to the manufacturer's directions. Will the inspector care as much as I do? |
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- Posted by ronnatalie (My Page) on Fri, Feb 26, 10 at 5:40
| It's unsafe. Extension cords are not designed to be used to suspend luminaires. Plug adapters for lights are not designed to support dangling cords. Luminaire cords are not designed to be spliced to extension cords or other plugs with piece of crap electrical tape splices. Get away from this clown. |
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| There are a lot of things you shouldn't do that aren't specifically spelled out in a building or electrical code. BTW - they sell pendant kits that screw into a light socket and extend it as a pendant. If you want to do this, buy the product that is designed for the purpose. |
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| The OP wants to plug this rube goldberg contraption into a fan. It may be another simple case of natural selection at work. |
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- Posted by weedmeister (My Page) on Fri, Feb 26, 10 at 14:16
| Though perhaps worded this way, this was not the OP's intention. Rather, it is how the so-called 'electrician' installed the light. |
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| How did you glean this from the original post? My ESPN must be out again. |
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- Posted by weedmeister (My Page) on Fri, Feb 26, 10 at 15:48
| I've been following this poor woman's saga about her house remodel for some time now. |
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| So she needs to start over with a real electrician this time. |
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- Posted by plumeriavine (My Page) on Fri, Feb 26, 10 at 16:45
| Exactly. I pray we will be able to start all over again. I am left speechless by the daily discoveries as I look at what this licensed company did in my home. I'd never even have thought that someone would rewire a lamp like this and claim a professional job. It seems like the collar had to be cut off to make the modifications. The collar pieces never stayed in place - they tried contact cement. Of course, it fell apart again as soon as the lamp was turned on and the collar heated up. I am thankful we discovered it before someone was hurt or a fire occured.
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| I will agree that this is not something any "electrician" should have left behind. I am looking at it as an object that a homeowner chose to plug in. I do not believe the NEC requires that the end user / resident only use UL-approved appliances - if it does, than every single electronic item I've ever built over the years is illegal. Of course, this may be why so very few people learn electronics now. |
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| You can make lighting (and other equipment) for your own use. As long as the connecting cord is a listed type the actual internal wiring is outside the NEC. NEMA covers equipment wiring for sale, but as long as the item is for your own use you are actually fine. An electrician that converts a fixture listed for permanent use to a cord and plug is the one at risk. If the entire cord was replaced with an approved type suitable for the application it might be acceptable, but splicing outside an enclosure is not acceptable. Even a chandelier provides some enclosed space for splicing of the wires feeding multiple arms into a single down cable threaded through a pipe or chain. |
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| If this is what was done where it can be seen, I wonder what the work that is covered up looks like. |
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| "every single electronic item I've ever built over the years is illegal" wouldn't surprise me in the least given the crap-tastic hack electrical advice you give |
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| You need to re-read whatever posts you refer to, hexus, as I tend to avoid "crap-tastic hack" advice. I do, unlike others here, acknowledge and relay things I've seen done, usually for humorous or anecdotal value only. To confuse this with 'advice' (especially when I deliberately state that I AM NOT RECOMMENDING I bet you'll read something into that last sentence which I neither intended nor stated. This will be on the test. My assertion in this thread has nothing to do with the quality of anyone's work - which I fully acknowledge is at question - I claim ONLY that one is allowed to manufacture his/her own devices and plug them in, and that doing so is not a code violation. brickeyee repeated my assertion. |
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| > brickeyee repeated my assertion. And although I'm not a pro I'll echo it too. It's your right as a homeowner to do this. I'm not so sure it's your electrician's right as a tradesman, however. He or she should be installing approved devices, in compliance with NEC and the device manufacturer's instructions. If he or she doesn't have the exact device you want in the truck right now - tough, and not an excuse for hacking something up. |
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