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fisrt time wine trouble

Posted by full437 (My Page) on
Sun, Dec 2, 07 at 13:03

hello all this is my first time trying to make wine . first let me say i follew a recipe that caled for frozen concetat i used 10 lb of frozen grape juice conctrant,3 lbs sugar,2 tbb yeast nutrient ,4tsp acid blend ,and half tsp wine tanin and one packet of montrachet yeast ok on nov 26th i put it in my primary had a spg of 1.090 now on dec1 i put it in the 5 galen plastic carboy with an air lokk it has spg of 1.030 seems like i might have messed up somewhere it bubbling real good just dont want it to turn to vinager or any thing like that should i add sugger to it or just let it go and wait for it do its thing i also under stand with ### like this if it does turn out it would be very dry wine i just want to make sure it will keep in the bottle i think i need atleast 10% alcohol to keep well thanks for any advice


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RE: fisrt time wine trouble

So far, so good ... it doesn't seem like you have too much to worry about. I don't know about taste since I've never made one from frozen concentrate but your other ingredients look ok and your specific gravity readings are just fine.

Assuming that you cleaned out the fermenters properly and keep the airlock filled (i.e. keep everything sanitary and bug free), you shouldn't have a problem with the wine going over to vinegar.

If this ferments out to completion, you could get specific gravities in the .994 to .998 range which would give you a very dry wine. In this range, your alcohol content will be in the 12% range - and this will be fine for keeping. If if stops around 1.010, most people would consider it very sweet but it would wtill be at 10.5% alcohol and some commericial white wines are bottled at this level (though they're usually consumed within a year).

Right now, I'd let the wine continue to ferment and see where it goes. Once it almost stops, I'd take another reading to see where you are in terms of both alcohol content and sweetness. I'd also give it a taste to see if it's still like grape juice - which yours won't be - or in the range of sweet or dry that you like. You can always add sugar to sweeten the wine ... just remember, there's a good chance that if you do the wine will keep fermenting until either all the sugar is gone or the yeast die from alcohol poisioning. Do it this way and you'll end up with one potent wine - to just raise the sweetness without the alcohol content, use glycerine.


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hey thanks for the reply iv never heard of glycerine one more thing if i let it stop working and try it will it let me know if its bad ????? i dont want to make any one sick drinking it thanks for all the help


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I've never gotten sick from tasting a wine out of the carboy but do it in the "look, smell, taste" order ... first look and see if you've got a layer of anything floating on top of the wine (unually bacterial infection) and look again as you transfer it from your wine thief to the glass for an oily sheen or wine that looks like a rope going into the glass. Then smell it ... smelling a bit like old socks could just be the remnants of yeast and a smell of bubblegum is most likely low fermentation temperatures but a foul medicinal smell is usually an infection - believe me, if you get a whiff and it's got a bad infection, you won't get it anywhere near your mouth. Then finally taste a little bit - a sip is all you need to really tell.

Remember, the cloudier the wine is the more yeast you are going to taste so let it sit a week or so at least after it stops to get a really good taste of what it is. As you do more of these and move to varietal concentrates in cans, grape juice and maybe even fresh grapes you'll want to taste when the fermentation is done and at each racking (every few months) to see how the taste changes and when you feel it's best to bottle and serve.

All that being said, I don't believe you are going to experience any of that or get sick from this batch ... your fermentation has gone from pure must to around 8% alcohol in about a week which is going to give you a lot of protection against bacterial infection and it's still going so as long as you keep things reasonably clean, you're going to be fine.


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hey thanks again today tuesday 12-4-07 wine has realy slowed down you think i should see what the spg is just so i know what it is ?


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It's probably worth a quick check if you have the time but don't sweat it too much if you don't ... I'd guess you have a couple of more weeks at least before the fermentation quits and the yeast starts to drop. If you check, also give it a smell and taste just to see how the grape juice is making its way to wine.


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hey i checked my wine seems to have stoped working just bubbles real slow. checked the spg was at 0.990 dont have hardly any smell, dont taste to bad just leeves a bite or tang on the tonge. should i throw it out and start over or cann i add suger to it ????? if so how much sgould i add????????? thanks again


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RE: fisrt time wine trouble

Well, at least you don't have to worry about alcohol content anymore ... at .990 from 1.090 you're now at a little over 13% which is fine and it doesn't sound like it's infected so it shouldn't poison anyone either. My guess is that the bite is in part due to the alcohol content and part due to the acid and tannins that you added - no problem since the flavors should smooth out in time.

Don't throw it out, even if it gets no better it's perfectly fine as a marinade or to use in other cooking. You now have options as to what to add and when:

1) You can add more sugar at this time and the fermentation should restart as it eats up the new food. How much is a bit tougher to tell since everyone's tastes vary. What I'd probably do is add about 1/2 lb to 1 lb of sugar to the batch, stir it to mix well, take a new specific gravity to see where you are and then let it go again. What should happen is the specific gravity will go down again as the fermentation continues and the alcohol will increase until the yeast reaches its alcohol tolerance and then for each time you add sugar, the gravity will only go up.

2) Add some more concentrate in. This will also add sugar and the alcohol level will increase but it'll raise the final specific gravity since, unlike sugar, a portion won't ferment and this will make the taste more pronounced.

3) Wait for the fermentation to stop completely, transfer it into another carboy and let it sit until pretty much all the yeast is out of it, rack it once again and then add potassium sorbate to prevent re-fermentation and finally add sugar to taste. This will maintain the current percent alcohol and allow you to adjust the sweetness.

My preference / prejudice is either option 1 or option 2 since I'm a big fan of adding minimal chemicals to the wine and I've blown up my share of bottles over the years with fermentations that restarted after sorbate. I know people who swear by sorbate / bi-sulphite so I list it as an option. It sounds like whatever you do, you've had a successful first batch - congratulations!


 
 

 

 


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