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| Hi Window Forum!!
First time post here! My name is Tim and I'm from Rochester, NY. Well, my wife and I plunked down a fairly large sum of money and bought what we thought was a "move-in-ready" home (built in 1990). After moving in, painting, and decorating, subtle imperfections in the home started to surface. We were fully aware that no home is 'perfect' but we assumed that no major work would need to be done within the next 5 years. Well... we were wrong. During our Home Inspection, the Inspector noted several broken seals in the windows (Hurd: most likely builder basic). We pressed the seller to fix the windows; the best they could do was call a company that attempted to remove the condensation from the windows and 'recreate' the vacuum. It looked like it worked for a few weeks, but alas, fog reappeared. All in all, we decided to just settle with foggy windows. A few months after moving in, we started noticing most of the ~30 casement windows weren't closing properly. When cranking the window in, the sash wouldn't align with the window opening. Most of these windows, I've had to drill a screw into the sash so I could lift the windows and pull them into place to close the lock. We also noticed significant amounts of damaged hardware, rot at the internal hinges, and a clear ooze around the window near the spacer. This brought us to the point of interviewing companies and contractors to put replacement windows in. After talking with ~10 candidates we decided that full tear-outs would be the better option (entertaining vinyl siding the home at the same time). I've narrowed our window options down to casements; either the Andersen 400 casement or the Sunrise vinyl casement window. I know that the Andersen is a wood vinyl-clad window and the Sunrise is a straight vinyl window but I'm interested in hearing from the pro's: given the choose, which would you recommend your son/daughter/nephew/niece put into their home?? Thanks for any input!! |
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| Sunrise is a high end window and made with a high grade vinyl.not a garden variety window.unlike vinyl cheap vinyl windows that the building supply stores carry, sunrise will never warp and always look nice. Believe it or not sunrise has much better structural as well as performance numbers than the Andersen. I prefer sunrise. |
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- Posted by skydawggy (info@ecostarremodeling.com) on Wed, Oct 19, 11 at 6:11
| If you like the look of wood, go with the Andersen or take a look at Marvin. If you decide you want vinyl, Sunrise makes an excellent casement window. IMO the best vinyl casement window on the market of any manufacturer in terms of overall performance and aesthetics. |
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- Posted by embedded_tim (My Page) on Wed, Oct 19, 11 at 8:21
| Thanks for the replies! Any idea on where the Andersen 400 and Sunrise casements fair against each other in terms of price? Also, given this comparison, which Marvin line would compete against the Andersen 400 or Sunrise? Thanks! |
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- Posted by windowsonwashington (info@windowsonwashington.net) on Wed, Oct 19, 11 at 8:32
| If you aren't married to wood, the Sunrise casement is better. |
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- Posted by skydawggy (info@ecostarremodeling.com) on Wed, Oct 19, 11 at 8:34
| Pricing is subjective and varies among different dealers and it can also depend on what's involved in the installation. I would suggest contacting several dealers for the windows you are interested in and getting several quotes. This would also be a good time to ask questions about installation techniques. Sometimes just asking a dealer why you should use him can produce a wealth of information. Never assume that install techniques are all the same, they aren't. |
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- Posted by embedded_tim (My Page) on Wed, Oct 19, 11 at 8:59
| Wow! Thanks for all the replies! After looking a little more, it may be difficult to purchase Sunrise windows in my area. Apparently only one installer sells them in our area, and I'm not sure they'd be open to the cash'n-go idea. In an effort to save money, I'd like to do the installs myself (rabid DIY). I have a contractor friend that has offered to show me the ropes on the first few windows I do. It seems like A400 can easily be purchased at any lumber yard. What do the pro's recommend in terms of other high quality casement windows (vinyl, wood, or fiber-clad)?? Also, are there any reasons to choose wood beyond aesthetics? Thanks so much! |
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| you're going to invest all that money in new windows and yet you are having " a contractor friend show you the ropes regarding installation".. i think a smarter thing to do would be to hire a true professional who is an expert in window installations. i have yet to see a "do it yourselfer" install a window correctly. i have also not seen a "jack of all trades" contractor ever install a window correctly. you will be saving yourself alot of time and money by doing it right and leaving it up to a pro. |
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| I installed an Anderson egress window (series 400) - vinyl outside - pine inside. As a amature wood worker, DIY'er, and engineer, I thought the Anderson was well constructed. No problems for the 3 yrs it's been installed, here in Minnesota. |
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- Posted by windowsonwashington (info@windowsonwashington.net) on Fri, Oct 21, 11 at 9:14
| Andersen 400 is a solid window and probably their best line. |
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- Posted by embedded_tim (My Page) on Sun, Oct 23, 11 at 11:46
| Can Sunrise casements be used in new construction?? |
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- Posted by windowsonwashington (info@windowsonwashington.net) on Sun, Oct 23, 11 at 12:40
| Yes. They should have the option of a clip in nailing fin or it may come standard and be ripped down for retrofit applications. |
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- Posted by embedded_tim (My Page) on Mon, Oct 24, 11 at 17:04
| Great! Are there any 'gotchas' when installing wood windows vs vinyl. I know that the expansion/contraction ratio for vinyl is much higher than wood, but does this require any consideration when doing a full-install? Does the space between the rough opening and the window need to be larger for vinyl? Thanks! |
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- Posted by windowsonwashington (info@windowsonwashington.net) on Tue, Oct 25, 11 at 15:48
| No. Proper installation is proper installation. The differential amount of expansion between wood and vinyl would not be enough to change the required relief during a normal installation. |
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- Posted by embedded_tim (My Page) on Tue, Oct 25, 11 at 16:33
| So... I've got a local Sunrise dealer and I've priced out the windows. I didn't realize that Sunrise casements did not come with extension jambs. When I build out the EJ, should I caulk the wood to the vinyl? |
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- Posted by windowsonwashington (info@windowsonwashington.net) on Tue, Oct 25, 11 at 18:59
| Yes and spray foam larger gaps. |
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