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Water-tight without the J-Channel

embedded_tim
12 years ago

Hi Guys-

Another question for all you pro's...

I've done a fair amount of googling on this one... any recommendations on how to apply exterior trim to new construction casement windows that avoids the unsightliness of running vinyl J-channel all around the window?

I'm not a brake pro, so bending metal isn't that great of an option for me (never understood how mitering alum around a window made it leak-resistant). I have talked to an Azek rep and he offered me the rabbeted 1by trim board. It certainly looks beautiful, but its not a full j-channel (nothing returning underneath the siding). Can you put normal vinyl j-channel pieces underneath the rabbet to create a leak-resistant barrier? If not, what other methods can be used to: 1. make the window look nice 2. not leak like a sieve.

Finally, anyone have any recommendations outside of exposed j-channel or rabbeted board? I'm always looking for better ideas...

Thanks in advance!!

Comments (11)

  • PRO
    Windows on Washington Ltd
    12 years ago

    There are windows that have the option of a nailing flange and you can get a clip in J-Channel or sill expander that can be made to act as a J-channel.

    If you run a flat trim, you should put a drip edge above the window and above the trim.

    You will need some sort of j-channel to cover the cut edges on the siding regardless.

    The integrated look is a bit better.

  • brickeyee
    12 years ago

    No siding system is intended to be the final drainage plane on a house.

    The siding is there to protect the actual drainage plane from damage mechanically and from the sun.

    Tar paper used to be the drainage plane of choice, but there are plenty of newer materials available.

    Though sometimes I have my doubts what the new materials will look like in 60-70-80 years.

  • embedded_tim
    Original Author
    12 years ago

    Ya, I noticed the snap on trim with built-in J-Channel for the Andersen 400 series. Unfortunately they appear to cost a large amount of $.

    So in terms of a casement window, does this sound like proper steps for a good Weather Resistant barrier:

    1. Tyvek wrapped / stapled / taped into the window opening
    2. Flexwrap the bottom and lower sides of the opening
    3. Silicon caulk around the nailing flange
    4. Nail in the windows
    5. Flash tape the sides
    6. Flash tape the top

    What do people recommend doing to the window after step 6? I'd like to avoid running straight vinyl j-channel. Any ideas on the azek board? I'm looking for a nice look, but also don't want water easily running under the vinyl siding.

    Thanks again!

  • PRO
    Windows on Washington Ltd
    12 years ago

    3. Not a fan of silicon in this application as compared to some other sealants but check the compatibility with the flashing tape manufacturer.

    Easy finish trim would be an foam PVC board that could be run or routed for a j-groove. I would bend up an L-piece of coil to go against the wall to provide the proper drainage to outside the siding.

  • Krista G
    5 years ago

    Did you ever get an answer for the question about whether there was a way to avoid the unsightly J channels? We did do Azek trim but it is not rabbeted. Lost sleep over this all night as the first side of the house was done yesterday and I do not like the J channels at all.

  • PRO
    Windows on Washington Ltd
    5 years ago

    What kind of siding are you running?

  • Krista G
    5 years ago

    Georgia Pacific triple 5 cedar shake.

  • Krista G
    5 years ago


    Don't like the J channel around the windows and soffit. Azek was already put up, didn't know about about rabetted azak until I read your post. Trying to figurew out where to go from here.

  • PRO
    Windows on Washington Ltd
    5 years ago

    Unless you want to put Humpty Dumpty back together again, you are pretty much stuck with it. You would need to take it all apart (siding) to get to the nailed leg of the J-channel. Is it that important to you as far as the look goes?

  • james phillips
    2 years ago

    Before installing window Nail a 1x 4 around window opening. set window and seal with 6 inch bara bond flex tape. trim window as normal with 1x6, this leaves 1.5-inch x 3/4 to hide siding ends and eliminates the need for j channel, will this work? inside window to be dry walled.