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Push out casement v turn tilt

bobbbieg
9 years ago

I've always assumed that when I've seen posts about casement that they were the crank open/close, but recently I've found out that there are non crank, push open casements.

This would be for a new build in the Pacific Northwest, looking for windows which are easy to open....cranking normal casement windows would drive me crazy. Any thoughts, concerns and information on either window type and any manufacturers to look into or to avoid would also be greatly appreciated.

Turn tilts pro:

*can make them for very large openings
*opens 90 degrees or just tilt them open
*easy to clean inside out
*a lot of different manufacturers use high quality German parts

Cons:

*expensive
*inswing takes up interior space


Pushout casements pros:

*outswing doesn't effect inside furniture placement

Cons:

*doesn't fully open

I'm not sure how prices compare, but I'm guessing pushouts are cheaper, though I'm looking at triple pane, so the cost either way will be up there.

Would love any opinions on the best windows (and brands) for my region, even if it's the dreaded crank casement.

Comments (25)

  • Oaktown
    9 years ago

    We have Loewen push out French casements. I think they're quite nice. Not sure what you mean by "doesn't fully open."

  • PRO
    Windows on Washington Ltd
    9 years ago

    Both are beautiful and great window options if you ask me.

    Benefit to the tilt and turn is you can ventilate while its raining should you choose to.

  • bobbbieg
    Original Author
    9 years ago

    Wow, thanks for the quick responses!

    Oaktown:

    Tilt and turn opens a full 90 degrees, push outs seem to open to 60 degrees, any further out and it would probably be difficult to reach out and close the window, but thanks for the review, I will check out Loewen.

    windowsonthewrongwashington :)

    yeah, I love the idea of not worrying about the rain, but is that worth the extra cost and the real estate lost to windows that swing inward???? Thanks, though for letting me know I'm choosing between two good designs, long time lurker here and I know you're a valuable resource to everyone who reads your posts!

    Any suggestions on manufacturers for either?

  • millworkman
    9 years ago

    I will stick to my preferred manufacturers, so Marvin Ulitmates, Kolbe Ultra, or Loewen. All three in either All Wood or Extruded Aluminum Clad.

  • dekeoboe
    9 years ago

    I have tilt turn windows. Yes, they need swing room in the turn position. However, we find we usually just use the tilt position, so it is not a problem. Ours are Hoco brand from Germany. They were expensive, but we did not see any US brands that offered the quality we were looking at getting.

  • PRO
    Windows on Washington Ltd
    9 years ago

    Marvin offers a tilt and turn and while the Germans are great at making those, I would say it stacks up favorably with anything in the wood clad family.

  • millworkman
    9 years ago

    No doubt it was originally German/European technology and I do believe Marvin originally used (and still may use) German hardware for their T&T windows. The three companies I mention all build a high quality product that I personally would have no issues recommending highly. Now I am not saying the Hoco windows are not a high quality window as well and I am certain their are other high quality European windows out there as well but I just prefer an product that has tried and true distribution and service avenues here on this side of the pond.

  • PRO
    Out of the Woods Inc.- Window & Door Specialists
    9 years ago

    Push out would be less expensive for sure. Marvin and Kolbe both offer push out and tilt turn windows. If you're interested get a quote for both type windows from those manufacturers.

  • Oaktown
    9 years ago

    bobbieg, our push out casements open 90 degrees. Not hard to reach to close them but they are French casements so 2 per window opening.

  • bobbbieg
    Original Author
    9 years ago

    Millworkman, thanks for the recommendations, getting an endorsement from you definitely puts them on my short list.

    Also, a big thank you to everyone else, great posts all around! Good to know I'm on the right path and hopefully this will help any other lurkers out there.

  • millworkman
    9 years ago

    Your welcome, the products I am recommending will not be the cheapest but will serve you very well for a long time (and I will not recommend crap).

    (edited to add the word "not" to "be the cheapest")!!!

    This post was edited by millworkman on Wed, Aug 13, 14 at 15:34

  • snooopy34
    7 years ago
    last modified: 7 years ago

    millworkman - Have you heard of JT Windows and Doors based out of Chatsworth, California? Do you know about their reputation? Our door vendor is recommending them or AG Millworks.

  • snooopy34
    7 years ago
    Thanks!
  • PRO
    East Bay 10
    7 years ago

    When dealing with local companies (in your case, either JT or AG Millwork) and comparing them to national companies, I would check into their warranties and performance ratings as well as well as longevity (how long in business). If those as well as quality stack up then you should be fine. In my experience, they usually don't match up especially in the testing which is expensive for a smaller company.

  • hapahaole
    3 years ago

    snooopy34 wondering what you ended up going with for your windows? I'm in Southern California and am looking some casement windows, but thinking for our breakfast nook area, a push out might be less expensive than a casement. Though we'd have to get pull down screens which I've heard can be problematic.

    Thanks!


  • snooopy34
    3 years ago

    @hapahaole we ended up going with Kolbe.

  • hapahaole
    3 years ago

    snooopy34 Are you happy with your Kolbe windows? I'm looking at the Kolbe Ultras right now, or possibly the Windsor Pinnacle Clad. The window guys on here hate on Windsor, but the in store window guys here have been telling me they are pretty comparable to the Kolbe's... just don't get the Windsor gliding window because those are awful wood on wood. Every brand I find horror stories on. I just want some windows that will look nicer than the old vinyl ones we have now and do their job!

  • millworkman
    3 years ago

    "but the in store window guys here have been telling me they are pretty comparable to the Kolbe's.."


    They must make more money on the Windsor because the only think they have in common is they are both technically windows.

  • hapahaole
    3 years ago

    Millworkman - it is possible that the sales folks make more money off the Windsors. Could it be that in Southern CA the weather is pretty mild so there are fewer problems with the Windsors here? I did read that their quality control is maybe not so good which is worrisome. The samples in the store looked pretty good. And I haven’t seen too many complaints from people who have installed Windsors.

    Are the Kolbe sliding windows as hood as their casements? I haven’t been able to find a sliding Kolbe Ultra window to test out.

    Thanks!

  • millworkman
    3 years ago

    Kolbe sliders are fine. Are they as good as casements? No and realistically no ones sliders is performance wise. But the Kolbe slider is a fine window honestly.

  • PRO
    Out of the Woods Inc.- Window & Door Specialists
    3 years ago

    I've sold Windsor and Kolbe, they are not the same. Kolbe has higher grade paint finish with 30 year warranty. Kolbe has consistent profiles from SDL bars to glazing bead etc. And the fit and finish of Kolbe is superior. Windsor was my budget/second line. Kolbe's sliding window is very nice. It went through a re-design a few years ago. It's comparable to Marvin's sliding window.

  • hapahaole
    3 years ago

    Thanks millworkman and Out of the Woods. Our house is nothing fancy (we have Milgard Tuscany in the back bedrooms), but we don’t want to put in plastic looking windows in the front. And I don’t want to get something that’s going to give us problems. Because we are close to the beach our paint warranty is reduced to 10 years, but I’m fine with that.
    The weather here is pretty darn mild and we are adding insulation (exterior walls and open living room have zero right now), so I don’t think I’d noticed a performance difference between sliders and casement. My pocketbook might notice a difference between the two though. Lol.

    Are the retractable screens a bad idea? Easy to break?

  • adimaio
    2 years ago

    I just learned that Windsor pushout casements are more expensive than Windsor crank out casement because of the screen pull up system in the pushout windows. Anyone else can confirm this?

  • PRO
    toddinmn
    2 years ago

    Push outs are have always been more from my experience, i expect one of the reasons they are not used much.