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Glass thickness in funky door project--please advise!

Posted by dccnm (My Page) on
Mon, May 1, 06 at 19:31

I know this isn't a window question but I'm guessing someone here can guide me....

My double entry doors are well-built and in great condition. The house was built in 72 and they're original. They're quite thick (1'3/4") solid wood with originally three carved wooden inserts in each. The POs removed the top wooden insert in each of the doors and replaced it with very ugly stained glass. I would like to replace all 6 inserts with clear glass to change the look, bring light into my dark entry and let me see the beautiful view out my front door. My home cannot be seen from the street so privacy is not an issue. I have the door inserts that were removed, and they each measure 17x18" and are 7/8" thick.

So.... I had a glass person come over and he took quite awhile evaluating the project and came up with the following. He'll replace each insert with double paned, tempered glass that has a dual seal. He was on the fence as to how thick each piece of glass should be (1/8, 3/16 or 1/4). Now remember, it will be two pieces of tempered glass with air in between--or however they make them. His concerns were how heavy they would be and such. He then went to the company that would actually make the units and they recommended 1/8" pieces. Apparently since the windows are relatively small the "wave" issue that can be seen in large windows that are 1/8" won't be a problem. He said he'll have them made any depth I want but that that is the experts' advice.

So what do you all think? I have no idea what my Anderson sliders are in terms of thickness. What IS the standard? Pros and cons? I'm looking for as much insulation as feasible for the dimensions I have available. Remember, the final window should end up being 7/8" thick.

If you've read this far, thanks. And if you can offer any advice, thanks even more!


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RE: Glass thickness in funky door project--please advise!

The 1/8" glass will be just fine. When the panes are sealed together, it will be a very sturdy unit. Most glass in doors and windows is 1/8", with varying airspaces. Most typical insulated glass units are in the 5/8" to 1" overall.
Your Andersen sliding patio doors have 1" insulated glass. Andersen uses 5/8" glass for most of their other products.
You shouldn't have any problem with wavy glass, either. Most window & door companies use float glass, which has a high degree of consistency. This process greatly reduces the chances of getting that wavy look.
But since the panels that came out measure 7/8", I'd have them make 7/8" glass. If it's a solid 1-3/4" wood door, it will have no problem handling the weight. And by keeping the thickness the same as the panels, you know it will fit right.


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RE: Glass thickness in funky door project--please advise!

I agree with Mike, 1/8" is perfectly acceptable for your application. In fact, I am a bit curious why the glass installer had any question at all about that. As Mike said, 1/8" is pretty much standard in that application and there really is no reason to even consider the thicker glass. It has to be tempered for code reasons, but that is no problem at all.

The waviness the glass installer mentioned is a tempering issue. No tempered glass is perfectly flat. The tempering process introduces a certain amount of "wave" into the product. For the most part, few people even notice it, and when you do your eye pretty much ignores it because you see it everywhere and it isn't usually a big deal.

At the size you are talking about you really shouldn't notice it at all.

One other thought though. Obviously it is simply an issue of personal taste, but I personally like a bit of waviness in the glass used for a large, substantial door. I am a long way from any sort of designer or anything of the sort, but I think that using perfectly clear glass in a big, heavy door causes a certain "imbalance" in the look of the door - unless the glass is quite small in relation to the rest of the door size. Just a personal observation - and like most opinions we all have one.


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RE: Glass thickness in funky door project--please advise!

Thanks to both of you! oberon, I too have considered using "water glass" or some slightly wavy or textured glass. I have a gorgeous view out my front door so I don't want it to be totally obscured but also thought it might look a bit better to have some variation in the glass. (I got the idea from some door catalogue that shows the glass options.) Thanks for bringing it up. You may have hit the nail on the head as to why it came to mind. Unlike my sliders, there will be a lot of wood framing each insert so it might look better to give the glass some "weight" with texture.

Oh, and Mike, the plan is to have the final window be 7/8" thick so I can still trim it out on the inside with the same type of molding that exists now.

Thanks again!


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RE: Glass thickness in funky door project--please advise!

Following up on the above. I had originally arranged to have two different installers come by to give me estimates, both for pricing and information since I wasn't certain how to best do the project. Interestingly, the second guy came today, seemed quite comfortable with the project, told me he would use 3/16" glass but then had his office price out the units to be made with 1/4" glass. His price was nearly identical. I was convinced the 1/8" was clearly the correct size and now he comes in with a different thickness. The explanation I was given is that it would be more secure. Any idea why I would get such different opinions?


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RE: Glass thickness in funky door project--please advise!

It's all about sales. The 2nd guy is using the thicker glass as a selling point, taking the security route. While thicker will have greater strength, the question is, do you really need it? Most burglars don't come through the front door, so the security issue shouldn't be of great concern. Tempered glass, even in 1/8", is still pretty strong.
It could also be that the 2nd shop has the thicker glass in stock, and they prefer using what they have. Maybe they are a higher volume shop? I'd ask them for a quote on the 1/8" and see where it comes in.
At least that way you'll have some options.
The only downsides to the thicker glass are increased distortion, and weight. But your 1-3/4" wood door should be able to handle the weight.


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