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Pella Proline vs. Jeld Wen Siteline EX

Posted by jim9820 (My Page) on
Tue, Mar 1, 11 at 10:05

We are replacing 13 large casement windows and a patio door in our house near Chicago and have a few estimates so far:

Marvin Ultimate at $38k, Pella Designer with blinds at $41k, Pella Proline at $30k and Jeldwen Siteline Ex at $29k.

The prices seem high to me for this number of windows and we cannot decide if we should continue getting estimates or make a decision. We want wood windows but the better quality ones are probably out of our price range. Is it a mistake to go with the Proline or Siteline Ex?

Is there another option we are missing? I'm stopping by an Andersen dealer today. Thanks all for any suggestions.


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RE: Pella Proline vs. Jeld Wen Siteline EX

It does seem high. Are you looking at full tear outs or replacements? This won't make a great difference in the cost of the windows but will save substantially on the installation. You sound like a candidate for a replacement casement and I know Marvin and Andersen both make one. I would check that out. Good luck


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What is it about the wood window that is appealing?


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We are looking at full tear-outs. The house is only 22 years old but the original ROW windows have leaked and warped and we plan on living here for a long time so want to do the full replacement.

It's a Georgian style house with 4 large windows in front and a large bay window in the back. All of the trim, crown-molding and cabinets are oak so we would like to keep the look of the wood and haven't seen any convincing vinyl options.


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Try Fiberglass (more specifically) the Infinity with the Everwood option.

Really good looking window and you save on the lack of a full tear out.


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I'm with WindowsonWashington. If you want the new construction version it will be the Marvin Integrity Wood Ultrex. I spent months & months & months researching Alum-Clad windows. Here's what I learned--roll form aluminum will dent easily (think hail or just a foot to the patio door). Pella's windows are clad in roll form aluminum. Jeld-Wen Siteline EX advertises how they're superior to the Pella because they're extruded aluminum & won't dent as easy--but they fail to mention that their extruded aluminum is applied like roll form is, right up against the wood without any gap. this means if water gets in, it can't get out & will sit right up against the wood. Now you know why both companies make such a big deal about their wood being treated against rot. Do you really want to take that chance?

The Infinity & Integrity windows are fiberglass, won't dent, won't fade, 8 times stronger than vinyl and made by Marvin so you know you've got a manufacturer that stands behind their product. You can get them with wood interior or fiberglass interior. If I'm not mistaken, their U-Values & SHGC are better then Pella & Jeld-Wen so more energy efficient. And they're less expensive than Pella, Jeld-Wen & Anderson aluminum clad.

Here is a link that might be useful: Marvin Integrity Site


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Hi - raising this comparison back from the dead:
Our builder said the color we want is a custom ie more cost color in the Jeld-Wen Siteline EX windows that were supposed to go into our house.

He has suggested Pella windows as an alternative for colors.
We don't know much about windows but research shows most people think Jeld-Wen & Pella are 'meh' @ best.

Are the suggestion for the Marvin's still hold true?

What is considered comps to the Jeld-Wen Siteline EX in the Marvin brand & other brands?

Would appreciate the feedback.

Thanks.


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Really nothing as the Ultrex window (Marvin's price point window) is much better in my opinion than the best Jeldwen. Price wise not really certain any longer as I am not in the residential window business.


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Is the Wood Ultrex what you are referring to?


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The Marvin Integrity.


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Wood Ultrex or all Ultrex, either or but the Wood Ultrex will be a little more expensive and in most peoples opinion a better looking unit as well.


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I just posted a long post and it failed to go through. So here we go again. First, stay away from Pella, especially the Proline series (they have had a class action lawsuit against them for rotting wood.)Jeld-Wen Siteline isn't a bad window, tho "MyDreamHome" above is correct about the wood right up against the metal, though Jeld-Wen uses Auralast wood, which offers pretty good wood protection from rot or insect infestation. Otherwise, I agree that it is pretty much a "meh" window. Marvin is a really, really good brand, but I don't think they are worth that much money (myself). Stay away from windows with extruded aluminum frame and rollform sashes (different fade rates, think two tone windows in 5 years.) For windows with a lot of color choices, check out Semco. They have quite a few dealers in the Chicago area. They are a smaller company, and don't do much advertising, but it's a pretty decent window and they have 26 standard colors. Hurd's not a bad window, but stay away from the H3 category window. I also am not happy that they filed bankruptcy, got permission to void their warranty, and then just went back without any repercussions. Windsor Windows is also represented in your area. Economical decent window....just make sure you ask and pay extra for 2604 paint. Also, ask about their decorator colors. Again, a little bit of an upgrade, but you still won't come close to the Marvin price you have been quoted. Also, one last question. The window prices you were quoted....was that installed prices?


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Windowshopper I am very curious to hear where you "shop for windows" as what your calling decent windows are pretty much recognized by anyone who has done some research to be crap. Coupled with the fact that you registered today it sounds like you either work for or own a window company in the Chicago area and your spamming the site!!!!


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MillworkMan, I am sorry if I said something about a window brand that was near and dear to your heart that offended you. It was not my intention, not at all. Yes, I am an independant window professional and have been for the last 25 years (though not in Chicago�K.I am in the south�KI did a dealer search on the two brands I recommended the OP take a look at), and Yes, I did create WindowShopper50 yesterday (Millwork Man and Window Woman were my first choice in names, but alas, they were already taken ��) so that I might join into the conversation and add some of my expertise regarding these window brands, which is what I thought the original poster was asking for. And, finally YES�K.I am 50 years old. I am sorry, but Pella has been involved in a class action lawsuit since 2006, specifically involving the Proline series, and then eventually including the Architectural and the Designer series in the suit. My understanding is that most recently they have offered a settlement (pennies on the dollar) and that offer has gone before a judge to be determined whether or not they will accept the settlement or not. Hurd, a nice window (with a more commercial look to it in my humble opinion) also had a class action lawsuit against it with regard to their Heat Mirror. They filed bankruptcy and as part of the bankruptcy they were allowed to void their warranty. Many homeowners, some who were MY customers at one time, were left with little recourse. Hurd was allowed to pick up the pieces and start again, as though nothing had happened. Many homeowners were (and are) left with no warranty on their Hurd windows. The H3 is a vinyl window, being sold as a wood aluminum clad window because it has an aluminum extrusion attached to the outside, and a wood veneer on the inside. Because aluminum and vinyl both have different heating and cooling expansion and contraction coefficients, my fear is that the aluminum extrusion will eventually separate from the vinyl frame. Windsor and Semco are both made in America and are good windows for the money. Semco is my personal favorite. I feel for the money, it offers the biggest bang for the buck. Extruded aluminum, standard AAMA 2604 paint (you can get 2605 for an upcharge) Lo E 366 with argon gas as a standard, an extruded aluminum integral drip cap that acts as a head flashing, a patented hinged extruded aluminum nail fin, super spacer (950 times less conductive than metal spacers) and insulating foam filled cavities. Windsor, which I have in my own home, is more economical. My only mistake with Windsor was not getting the AAMA 2604 paint (it would have been a small upcharge). AAMA 2603 is their standard. They also use super spacer, but a rigid drip cap and nail fin are an upcharge. Lo E 366 is their standard as well. I sell all the brands (in the south) that have been mentioned here. I am not married to any single one of them. I do have a favorite (and that is Semco) and I actually sell more Marvin than anything because my market is very high end and it is perceived to be one of the best windows out there and they stand behind their product. It is just very, very expensive. I hope this clears things up for you MillworkMan. I just felt that I was uniquely qualified to offer my opinion on the topic at hand. No charge.


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My apologies if I offended you, this site seems to attract allot of spammers who register one day and pump up the products they sell and then are never heard from again. Personally I would never use Pella even in a dog house as I am not a fan of them at all, also not a fan of either Windsor nor Hurd as i have sold them both and on Long Island neither are worth a dam in my opinion. Do not know much at all about Semco but vinyl is not my bag either but I think extruded fiberglass is the next best thing to a quality wood product at least in my mind. I currently do not even sell windows residentially but Marvin and Kolbe are about the only two companies I could in good consciousness recommend in wood or wood clad windows. I agree completely on the roll form aluminum wrap (cannot even consider it a cladding). Currently I am in the contract glazing business doing predominantly commercial work with Storefront and Curtainwall material. Again no offense meant.


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Millworkman doesn't need any help from me but it did read a bit spammy to me as well.

That is just how it read to me.

Glad to have another qualified individual on board though.


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MillworkMan, thanks for the reply. Semco does not have a Vinyl line. It is a quality wood window with 26 standard extruded aluminum, powder coated (AAMA2604)colors. It's actually a really nice window. Builders and installers in particular are really fond of it (though it is a heavy window) because of the nail fin (extruded aluminum, but hinged). Marvin's standard paint is an AAMA 2605, and Marvin's ultimate casement has a nifty rotating sash that is easy to disengage, spin it to the inside, and clean, then re-engage and crank it back out. But other than that, I feel Semco has some advantages: a) the standard drip cap is an extruded aluminum that serves as an integral head flashing, Marvin's standard is a clear plastic. b) Marvin's side stop is a composite material with a wood veneer, Semco's is solid wood. Nothing wrong with the composite material, but you wouldn't expect it on something that is 50 to 65% higher in price than the Semco. c)As mentioned previously, Super Spacer is one of the best methods I have seen personally for insulating glass (both Windsor and Semco use Superspacer - Marvin's is still an aluminum spacer).d) as mentioned previously not only is Semco's nail fin hinged, it IS extruded aluminum. Marvin's standard is a flexible vinyl. I think you can get an aluminum fin for extra money. e) Semco's standard glass is Lo E 366 with argon (the workhorse of all the Lo E's, 3 coats of silver and 66% visible light transmission) and Marvin's standard is Lo E II with argon. f Semco is one of the only windows I have ever seen where they inject expanding insulating foam into the cavities created by the aluminum extrusion at the head and sill. I'm not sure that it creates that much better of an insulating factor, but the fact that they have added so many nice little "extras" in their windows would indicate overall quality. I checked on Semco's site for dealers in your area and unfortunately I had to look in a 100 mile radius to find anything. But there were four: Elmsford & Rodlyn NY, and Paterson and Long Branch New Jersey. With regard to Windsor, were you dealing with an aluminum clad window or was it the Legend (composite material) or even their vinyl line? I would have to agree regarding the Legend (it's junk) and I have never used their vinyl. Other than the 2603 paint, I think it actually is a decent window for the money. A LOT of wood in the product, (though the wood IS radiata Pine where Semco's are Western Pines as is Marvin's standard). I used to be pretty suspicious of radiata pine but builders tell me that they use it all the time and have never had problems with it. So I sorta got over it (obviously not completely over it, or I would not deem it necessary to point that out now). Windsor does own their own forests, however, so there is that. Windsor has a plant in Iowa, and a plant in Charlotte North Carolina so they get pretty good distribution in the south. Semco is in Wisconsin (what I refer to as Window Mecca)and their distribution is more in the midwest. It is used in some pretty high end homes here in the south and is widely used in the mountain areas of North Carolina, not so much in the piedmont areas. I like the Green aspect of the Marvin Integrity. The biggest problem with the Integrity line has been the limitations in product offering. They added a new color (effective today actually) and that is Ebony. They have five other colors to offer. The ultrex (which is Fiberglass with a wood interior) has more product offering (sizes and shapes) than the All Integrity window (which is a fiberglass inside and out and that presented some design issues so you can't get a swing door and only a narrow rail slididng door - a few more options with the ultrex interior). anyway, I am enjoying the conversation and I hope some of this has been helpful to the OP in Chicago. (didn't really mean to hijack the conversation). I love windows and could talk about them all day long.


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And for the record...when is the last time you actually tried spam? I did recently, and it tastes a little better than I remember. I'm just sayin....


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lol, I was never a fan of radiata (lumber business for 15 yrs) pine either. As I said have not been in the residential end of the window business for a while now and Semco very well may be a great product. I will defer to you on that and take your word on them. As far as spam, meh....... And I definitley look forward to your future posts as you def seem like windows are in your blood.


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I like SOS...that is kind of like the spam of breakfast foods.


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