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Glass on glass glue

Posted by trudy89 (My Page) on
Mon, Oct 3, 05 at 8:07

If there is anyone that does glass on glass mosaics? I would greatly appreciate your opinion on glues.I have a rather large panel that I will be gluing glass to and then grouting.It will be for inside,but the glue most dry clear due to the clear glass being applied.I'm rather confused with the different info I have found.Also if anyone has any pictures of glass on glass mosaics I would love to see them if possible.
Thank you so much
Kathy in Md.


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RE: Glass on glass glue

We once did a panel with bevels on a mirror. It had to be absolutely clear and we used glue that was set by UV. Did the whole thing and carried it outside for the sunrays to set it. For production work there's a UV light. Ten years later it was still clear. OK your's will be outside - I don't know it would act outside. It was also pricey but it did set up crystel clear.


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I have completed a small piece of artwork as an experiment and I really like the results. But I have questions. I used stained glass for the medium. I glued the pieces to a clear glass. The piece is a sunflower/sun that is the usual cut stained glass. The rest of the piece are shards or small pieces of irregular glass. After the glue dried I used grout to fill in the spaces instead of foil. The outcome is wonderful.
I want to continue in the mode with other pieces. What I like about it is that when the piece is in the natural light of a window it is a burst of wonderful color. It seems I can not come up with a way to frame the outside of it or how to hang it in a window. Is there a came or channel that will accommodate a piece that is two thicknesses of glass? Do you see any problems with my idea? I am sure it isn't a new idea, but cannot find information.
Judy on the Prairie


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Check your stained glass supplier. We carried a wooden framing that had a channel 5/16"wide & 3/8"deep. Your supplier should be able to get some for you. Or if you're lucky enough to know a woodworker you can have some framing milled for you.


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Judy,what glue did you use??


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I have a window in my bathroom, which is in the shower area. I would like to stain glass mosaic it then grout,
what is the best kind of glue to use for this.
I have been reading up on it and the only thing i found was wellbond . Is this what you used?
thanks Sue


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Hi..I had a REAL problem with glass on glass..using Liq Nails, or some version of it. My friend has NEVER had a prob and uses LN but it was in a clear tube, not the one I had bought. SO they looked GREAT til the pieces started to fall off!! very distressing. I can't fix/use them for the craft show tomorrow..!!!..but would like some help..thanks Debbie


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http://www.thistothat.com/cgi-bin/glue.cgi?lang=en&this=Glass&that=Wood

great site for adhesive help. Weldbond is best glass to glass but you work my finish slower because it evaportes to clear it can sometime take a while if you are using alot because of size, but it's still the best! And no nasty fumes!

Kathleen


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I've just today completed a glass on glass glued with Selleys All Clear Water Barrier Multipurpose Sealant. I certainly hope it lasts over time as my instructor recommended against Weldbond. It dries clear. Good luck!


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I use Bond 527 which dries clear in an hour.

Dee


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What about UHU Creativ for Mosaics? I just picked some up this morning after trying Weldbond last night. Has anyone used this? I know fumes will be an issue, but if it dries clear and reasonably quickly (a day or two), I'm willing to put up with that.


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I have a huge glass candlestick (very heavy) that's broken. We tried super glue and that didn't work. Any suggestions for me?


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For repairs of glass on glass I've used E6000. I've also used it for lots of mosaics which has been glass on pottery and concrete. I've found Weldbond's seal breaks if exposed to water/moisture such as when grouting. I won't use it (Weldbond) again for anything outside.

Debbie


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GE II Silicon for doors/windows.


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what is E6000? this is the snd post in 2 days that I've seen it mentioned.


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It's a craft glue similar to silicon, found at HobLob and other places. Smells a little bad and dries very quickly so it's a little difficult to work with. There is also E9000. They are sorta expensive.


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Lexel adhesive....clearer than GEII..........indoors/outdoors.....very strong.


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I would like to try this adhesive from Delphi Stained Glass - wonder how well it works? It sounds great.

http://www.delphiglass.com/index.cfm?page=itemView&itemsysid=187908


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I too use Lexel, and it works very well. It also is not very expensive.


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hrsg and stjohnsgypsy - where do ya'll get the Lexel? Hopefully someplace like Home Depot, Lowe's, Hobby Lobby...


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I'm also curious as to the consistancy of Lexel, is it thick enough to support vertical pieces quickly?


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I googled Lexel and here's the info I found. http://www.sashcosealants.com/home_improvement/products/lexel.shtml


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Lexel

Amazon has Lexel 5 oz tube for 5.03 http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000AYHYIC/ref=nosim/kkorg-20


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Purchase Lexel from WitsEnd off the net. www.mosaic-witsend.com


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You can get Lexell at any home improvement store I believe. I get mine form the local Taylor's. It bonds fast and secure.


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Thank goodness for you all! I have been looking for this info forever. I will check out your leads. Has anyone tried a glass mosaic on a pane of clear glass using lacquer as the fixative instead of other kinds of adhesive? I want a kind of watery effect with no grouting. Someone told me that would work. What about some kind of craft acrylic that people use to make those really tacky seashell-encrusted mirrors (they're tacky, but I saw one that was absolutely beautiful once). I have tried different clear painter's acrylics but they dry too cloudy.


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Lexel


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I used Lexel on all my bowling balls. I think GEII adheres quicker, but Lexel is really good too. The Lexel clean up or harder too. GEII scrapes off easier IMO. The only place I can find it is Ace Hardware or TrueValue. Don't have it here at HD or Lowe's. I bought my first batch from Witsend in the large caulk gun size. Won't do that again. Caulk guns are extremely messy!! The smaller size is more expensive, but I don't loose as much so it's more cost effective for me.


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Sunshine, one way to cut down on the caulk gun mess and still save $ on the GEII is to gun it into a large syringe, then plug the caulk gun with a nail and some tape to keep it from drying out. Use the silicon in the syringe to squeeze out on your bits and pieces. I tuck a snack size plastic bag into a shot glass and stick the syringe in there between pieces to retard drying out while I fiddle with placement. If there is still naterial in the syringe when I am done for the day, I stick a push pin into the hole where the needle would normally go. (a little squeeze out of sillicon helps make the seal pretty airtight). If it's several days before I can get back to work, there may be a little dried plug in the syringe, but that comes out easily enough with a piece of copper wire run thru the hole.

HTH,
Pat


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I got alot of air bubbles on my gog from GEII, and ended up
having to pry it all off and scrap the whole thing.
That 527 is alot thinner and causes less bubbles.

Hazie


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What is 527? Is that also Lexel?


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Bond 527 - I've never heard of it - but it sounds good !

Here is a link that might be useful: Bond 527


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Be careful with the Bond 527. I liked it, but it does not appear to be waterproof. I did several globes and when I went to clean them months later as they were dusty, pieces fell off right and left. The glue stayed on the globe and the piece fell off. I never had this problem with the e-6000. I have had a piece out on the sun, rain, hose, etc for 2 years with no problems.


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Went out and bought some e6000 today to give a try. I am really frustrated with the GEII. I am just a slob when it comes to using it. It's on everything!! I HATE CLEANING IT UP! So, figured I would try this and see how much of a mess I make with it. There was another glue I purchased from Michael's and used that was really easy clean up, but I don't remember the name and couldn't find the bottle today. Only used it on indoor things too. Oh well. Thanks for the info. guys!!


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weldbond for indoor gog--dries clear--cleans up with water--easy to use. does take a long while to dry tho, but i hardly ever grout right away anyway ....barb


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I am working with a school group glueing glass pieces onto the bottom side of glass food serving dishes. Would Lexel be waterproof and low odor as well as nontoxic?


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My Lexel tube says...indoor /outdoor but not waterproof,
and it contains TOLUENE......AND SAYS KEEP AWAY FROM CHILDREN.

Silicone may be your best bet with kids.


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isn't that an oxy-moron or something?...indoor/outdoor, but not waterproof??? Aparently never heard of a little thing called RAIN...???!!!

Good thread!


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I Was all set to go out and buy that UV glue and the whole set up. I called the mfg and asked every question I can think of. He said - the UV rays 'cure' it .... but if I'm going to make something to place outside into hot sun ...the UV rays will also weaken it. He didn't recommend it for anything in direct sunlight.


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bump
-thought you might want to see this too, so i bumped it
By the way, I have completely forgotten to tell you all I have had great luck with lexel, Used it to make sir wiggle and it has been in torrential rains for the past three days and so far so good..

dont' know about it for gog , but it does dry very clear, and it doesnt' seem to smell as bad as geii


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I would like input on gluing rice paper to glass. What type of glue would you recommend? It will be indoors, but in a bathroom window.


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Kathy, I don't have a clue what you would use for rice paper. I actually put rice paper on a garage window, but it was one of the sticky peel off sheets so that doesn't count.

I am really scared now that I actually read all of the info on Lexel. Poor Sir Wiggle has been in four days of torrential rains so far and if Lexel says not waterproof. I am going to scream. I read the indoor outdoor and just thought well.. that means rain is okay.. It is an oxymoron just like mmqchdygg said back in Dec. I bought the lexel at our true value cuz the guy who works there recommended it over silicone for what I was doing.

I'll be sure and let you know if he melts like the witch in the wizard of ox, though he isn't in that story, does anyone melt in Alice?? LOL
sorry, i'm getting giddy over all the glue fumes from the bank exchange.


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I, too, prefer Weldbond for glass on glass if it is indoors. Takes a bit to dry, but I never seem to be in a hurry at my age anymore! (I used to procrastinate, now my excuse is my age.)


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I have a large (5' x 4') bathroom mirror that is losing its silvering right above the faucet. I'd like to glue small ceramic tiles around the edge to cover it up. What adhesive would I use? Could I put the tiles right next to each other or would I have to grout? Could I use an assortment of small stones?

Thanks


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You can use anything your creativity leads you to use to glue onto it. For the adhesive I'd use GE II silicon for windows and doors, if I were mosaicing that project. I'd probably go wild and do more than just cover the loss of silver part, going around all the edges, corners - whatever. Get creative and make it a wowzer. Your choice whether or not to grout.


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Hello, I would much apretiate some one to help me to find the propper glue or silicon to glue glass on glass vertical,,I recently made this huge double side view glass mosaic 12feet x 5feet, I glued the glass mosaics with silicon, I got a few bubbles not big deal but after a 3 weeks the worst thing come over: most of the glass pieces showed a white(not transparent)
mark, something like white scraps, I dont know what happend, soo I started to remove those pieces,Is like a nightmare,,Do you know a glue that is cristal clear, for indoors, that drys not to fast and that dont give me that white marks after a couple of weeks? I think you guys know what im talking about, my client is very upset with me and want me to fix it, but I dont know what glue should I use,,help!! (sorry for my english) thank you


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has the glue experiment thread been bumped lately? Lemme go find it again, Dave.


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Hey mmqchdygg:
Have you gotten off your mom yet? Im still waiting for my answer.


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not sure what you're talking about, Dave, but I bumped it right behind this thread back on 9/17. I'll go bump it again...


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I just used e6000 glue for a glas on glass piece. It had plenty of working time that allowed me to adjust pieces as I worked, but when it dried, you could see where the glue was applied on both the clear-to-clear glass as well as the colored cathedrals, so I think it is not viscous enough. I need a glue that dries clear, no hint of glue lines and is preferably waterproof. Any know for sure of such a critter?


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I need a glue that dries clear, no hint of glue lines and is preferably waterproof. Gluing large pieces of glass vertically.


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I'm new to this site. I am a stained glass artist but am now going to do my first mosaic.
I have an old wooden cabinet that has two glass doors.

I will be cutting out the main 'story' pieces from textured semi-transparent glasses and plan to adhere all of this to the existing glass on the cabinet doors then do the mosaic work around it. I plan to incorporate some nice flat stones I've collected from various places I have vacationed at into the art piece.

I have removed the doors so that I am working on the horizontal, so there is no problem with waiting for the adhesive to set.

From what I am reading, It sounds like "weldbond" may be a good choice. I would like it to dry clear.
I plan to use black grout in the project. There are lights inside of the cabinet that will illuminate the project when finished.

I am hoping I am on the right track.

Does anyone have any suggestions?
Thanks!


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Weldbond is a very satisfactory product. There are some issues with it-foremost is drying time. It can take some time for the weldbond to dry to clear especially under large pieces. One of the ways of dealing with this is to apply glue around the outside edge of the piece and not in the middle.

Ill refer you to this thread for some advice-
http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/load/stainedglass/msg0810511032279.html?58

In particular there is this info from the manufac. in there-
http://www.franktross.com/weld_glass.asp

Lots of info in there! also MAC glue might be something you might consider.
Its a long thread but very informative. Good luck!


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Thanks for the info thread. I've read through all the info! I feel happy with my purchase of Weldbond yesterday.
Love the fact its Nice non-toxic and an easy product to work with!
Glued on my 'cut out' larger pieces last night leaving the airspace in centers. Tested today for strength and SO far, So good.
After working with copper foil and solder for many years this seems too inexpensive and fun to be true! I think I'm going to love the mosaic process.
I purchased Polyblend Sanded grout for when I get to that part of the project. Am I on the right track with that?
Being a rookie at mosiacs I sure appreciate the input.
Cheers!


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Ijhave just finished a glass on glass project chipped stain glass on a glass set in a picture frame. I used welbond but some of the pieces are taking a long time to dry clear so I can grout it? I have set it in front of a small heater but worried as glass fram may not be tempered glass. How can I speed things up so I can grout it for a upcoming art show?


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