Beautiful! I have Cerulean Warbler but it is new and doesn't look nearly as good as yours. Next year it will be better. Black Forest Depths looks very interesting - love those colors. I had Joan Senior when we lived in the country, as well as all the latest and greatest tet whites, but they did not compare to the absolute whiteness and purity of it. Unfortunately I had to leave it behind, but am thinking about squeezing it in somewhere in our new garden. I had even thought about buying the tet conversion but I understand it isn't as white. Nancy

I'm with uroboros up there. I like to know as much as possible about the seedlings...operative word being 'like'. That said, I have some Dan Bachman seedlings here that I know nothing about. I think he regularly sells his seedlings. I have a seedling that the seller Perennialist on the LA sent as a bonus...it's really pretty. I can't remember right now if I have others. Of course, the hundreds and hundreds of my own...lol! Someone said once somewhere that if you get a chance to buy some hybridizer's seedlings, you should go for it to really advance your own program (think of folks who have bought some of Larry Grace's). I think, too, a little known thing (at least to me) was how many hybridizers do sell seedlings. At lot of them, you have to actually go and visit them to know that. Some hybridizers themselves talk about seedlings they've gotten from others. It's interesting how our views evolve on things. Now that I am starting my fourth year growing seedlings, I know how much work they are! I think this (famous last words) will be my last 'big' (for me, at least) year of seed starting as room is just nonexistent. It takes me two to three years to see bloom. That said, if I found someone offering a seedling of a cross I like, why wouldn't I want to jump ahead those years?? On the other side, when I get ready to cull...because of space (first) and because a plant doesn't work toward what I want...and if it is an otherwise fine plant, why shouldn't I get some compensation for all that effort? As long as people are clear about it...seedling...whether it is all or not...bloomed or not, etc.....I don't see the problem there. I think problems come later if individuals try to sell them or give them garden names and sell them. But, the thing is...people already do that! The horse has already left the barn! If you're an AHS Display Garden or aspire to that, you might want to be careful. But, if like most people, you just want to enjoy beautiful flowers, who cares. I mean, I know plenty of people who don't know the names of their other perennials and it doesn't bother them. Look at all the people who post on here trying to find out the name of a daylily (pretty hopeless in most cases). For the big guys, most don't keep their intros around for more than a few years because they know people resell them (for less). I don't really think they're threatened by a seedling market as the folks buying those are probably not their customers anyway. I think the big guys (and girls) deserve their money, knowing how much goes into it...however, they're out there really advancing the flower. Most of the rest of us are just hobbyists. I think there is plenty of room for everyone. The newest and best genetics command top dollar (as the new everything does). I can see how hard it is to make money (most of us clearly aren't in it for that...lol), but I'd sure hate to see folks like Paul Owen fail. We need all kinds of different people producing all kinds of different flowers. I thought his offering flowers for people to name was rather brilliant. I mean, I've read about people visiting in Florida and getting daylilies named after them. Not everyone gets that chance. Where I live, there probably isn't anyone in 30 miles who would willingly pay $100 for a daylily. However, they'd probably buy unnamed blooming seedlings for what are bargain prices (not that they appreciate that!). I think for those of us that are collectors, we're going to continue to collect. I still see lots of green lawn everywhere...lol...so there are plenty of folks. Some will eventually move up the ladder to pricey ones (like a lot of us)...others will be just as happy with their $5 bargains. It's all good. Let me just conclude with the thought that if you belong to the AHS, a local club (or two or three), the robin, hang out here, etc, and have zillions of labels all over your yard.....you are not the 'average' daylily person! For those folks, registration has meaning. (I thought I was concluding...lol) I remember vising Mr. Benzinger's garden on what was probably his final open garden (Buttered Popcorn, among others)...and I don't think he had any registered daylilies that I could see. Had a sign up for you to see from the road...something like "Daylilies $5"....and you walked around and picked out what you wanted....they were all seedlings. I still have one (oh yeah! forgot about that one!), a nicely speckled diploid (that I had to figure out for myself!). It's appealing to me because it is something I might work with. I mostly prefer...without a doubt...registered daylilies, but that doesn't mean I don't like to play with seedlings!

I think it's a weedling. I've never heard of a sport unattached to the momma plant. And yes it's true that 99% of the time that you get a green plant, you can get a variegated one on rare occasions. I've never worked with Antioch so I don't know how stable it is or isn't. In any case, it's a nice looking plant. If you end up registering it, however, it should be unknown x unknown for the parentage. Cuz you just don't know for sure. Steve

Rob333, you certainly have a point there! I hadn't thought about the changing over-all economy and how it affects us all in some way or another. Annie1992, when we first got a bigger freezer Quite a lot of years ago, One of the first things we did was buy a quantity of beef From a meat processor in a city about 50 mi from us. They constantly had ads in the newspaper, Different 'package deals', each one contained X number of pounds of a variety of cuts, Chose the package that best suits your needs, and you get X number of pounds of pork or chicken free. It sounded like a good deal so we went for it. Never again! ! ! That was without a doubt the worst beef we've ever had! Tough, stringy, tasteless, very pale colored. Now I feel sure that this is not the run of the mill experience When buying meat this way. But it only took that one experience to make me extremely 'gun shy' about buying in large quantities. Especially if they are highly advertised and 'cheap'! Whether it is marked down because of package date, Or as a draw to get customers in the store, 'On sale' is pretty much the only way I buy meat anymore. I try not to buy anything that isn't on sale, But that isn't always easy to do around here. Rusty