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Back where I started...and quite happy about it :)

Posted by lavender_lass (My Page) on
Thu, Jun 2, 11 at 11:37

I posted this on the Building forum, so if anyone wants to see the latest in my 'soap opera' like farmhouse remodel, please click on the link!

While I'm back to my old plan, for the reasons explained in the post, I hope the changes we've made will make it even better. It's always been my favorite kitchen...and all the other plans (while some had wonderful details) never had the bright, sunny and open kitchen that this one has. Plus, it's just so darn cottage-y...if that's a word :)

Thanks for all your help and input! It's been a real challenge to incorporate all our favorite things into the plan, without adding things we like in theory, but probably wouldn't use on a daily basis. Of course, I'm keeping the greenhouse! LOL

With these long winters, that and the sunny kitchen (and claw foot tub) were my favorite things. The fireplace and wood stove are going to be great, especially when the power goes out...which it did the other day...for twelve hours. That really made me think (again) about a smaller home, easy to heat and maintain, even when the power does go out...which means the well goes off, the heat, the horse's electric fence, etc....but I digress. Thanks for looking and have a great day :)

Oh, and ignore the second plan...it's just there for the greenhouse.

Here is a link that might be useful: Link


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Lav, I'm happy for you as well. You've made a long trip, and like Dorothy clicking the heels of her red shoes together, and wishing, she realized that THERE IS NO PLACE LIKE HOME.

I love the house, and can feel it around me, so I know you must be able to as well. Your tremendous inner desire to make this house serve the needs of the whole extended family are compelling, and I'm sure the folks who wanted the old house intact now realize you must live in the world of today. And pay homage respectfully to the old homestead.

Also, for your benefit I snapped a photo of the Tea book by Maryjo Koch. It is about 8 x 8, and 1/2 inch thick, with a green ribbon tying front and back covers together. I think it would be a great addition to the spot where you have your tea. It looks girly enough for the most feminine of places. I bought my copy from Amazon. Bon appetit.
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ML- Thanks for the picture of the tea book! It's would look wonderful in the tea area.

I do feel a bit like Dorothy (LOL) but this plan met with a lot more approval than the other one. I think the kitchen area being in the same place made the difference. Plus, it's just a really cute layout and everyone could interact in one big space.

After that power outage, it reminded me why I wanted to remodel the farmhouse in the first place. We really want to be more self-sufficient, since you never know what the future might bring. Having a bigger garden, more back up for heat and getting a new generator are the big priorities right now. I like living in the 21st century, but when the power goes off...I feel like I'm living about 100 years ago!

Take care and have a great weekend :)


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Speaking of 'soap opera' I kind of lost my cool and responded to a post I should have ignored. Why is it these kitchen forum people, keep passing judgements about my plan, without taking the time to read the post or look at the picture?

Anyway, I made the mistake of taking some advice on that forum earlier and changed my plan. Then, I found out the advice (which came across as quite informed) was all wrong. Lesson learned...this is a great place to get opinions, but not always expertise. Now, I go talk to someone in the industry, when it comes to building/remodeling questions.

That being said, I still welcome all your opinions, whether you agree with me or not. All I ask is that someone take the time to read the post, look at the plan and ask a question if something is not clear :)


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Well LL I think your cool was severely stressed by the comment. Good heavens. Anyway........ I do like what you have drawn in on the top plan. I am assuming this is the one you are using now.. Just showing the second plan for the sun room.

The flow looks good on this plan. I am so with you on the need for large pantry. We get along fine with our pantry as it is but I would have loved a larger one. We have had this same size panter in the last two houses so I am used to making it work for me. I could add more shelves if I really need to. But then I would need a step stool.


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While I did see your reply as snippy, I can certainly understand why. I don't see a lot of wasted space there myself. True you do have a huge pantry area, but I've seen much bigger on other plans and those were for people who might not even cook, much less put up farm produce. There is someone (and I can't remember who now) who has that much space just for her dishes because she likes to rotate. So IMO, your pantry is just right.

And as far as HVAC costs, most farm houses I've seen don't heat or cool the mudroom anyway, or any of the porches.

I'd like to see a plan of the original house, but from what I recall, this isn't such a big change, just changing a porch into the dining room and adding the back porches?

Hang in there LL; I think if more people designed their space and then lived with the design awhile before building, they would tweak it again and again until they got all the bugs out. The thing is, most people are in a big hurry to get it done, find a design that seems ok on paper, build it, and THEN see the problems. By living with the design awhile, you are avoiding that. Some people just don't see that that is a plus, and get tired of the talk about it and no action. I've been living with the regret of design/build and I plan on doing things right next time.


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Well as usual I was somewhere in lala land and missed the whole (shall we say) tempest in a "teapot?" (I know how you feel about tea, lassie!!!) Like you, I figured out a long time ago who is ultimately responsible for what choices are made, and who has to live with the consequences. And I know that this time what I do with my kitchen is FOR KEEPS. It won't be done again in my lifetime. There is some security in knowing that, but I can see how young people might feel that they will live with a plan for 20 years, and then remodel. After all, the HGTV is always redoing the 1970s and 1980s kitchens that were remodels of original 1950s kitchens. In your case, Lavender, it will be an even earlier whole house.

One thing that does not show on your plans is a good stove hood with a powerful vent fan. That is a worthy object to keep the moisture out of the house, and the heat out when it is hot. That and the range or stove top being Energy Star rated will be a good choice. And for my kitchen here, those two items are not yet purchased. Get the stove you want to cook on, not just one which matches your other appliances. That's my advice anyway, and it won't upset me if you don't do it. You have enough time to wear out a couple of stoves anyway. :)

Marti, if the mudroom or sunporch is not heated or cooled, does it count as square footage for the house? I thought that was the way they determined the size of the house. And some mudrooms are huge. They have a bath and/or a dog washing station and a laundry in them. But I guess I read too many high toned magazines not in the real world. A mudroom that is really an airlock between the frigid outdoors and the warm indoors can not need to be as warm as the rest of the house. Down here in south Alabama, it's been cold for 2 winters now, but not enough to worry about a mudroom being heated or not. Our main concern is to keep out the muddy shoes and not suffocate from the heat. Lately there's been no MUD to worry about at all.


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Down here, we don't have airlocks, but in a lot of homes, the mudroom takes their place. Most of the homes around us that have true mudrooms are like one on the house on The Waltons tv show. They are not air conditioned so aren't a part of the taxable square footage. They are the place where there is often a sink, bench, coat hooks, and where people keep their mud boots & overalls.


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I think 'mud rooms' of old have evolved into a part of the house, even if still a part that can be closed off to keep the extreme cold/heat from drawing out the heat/a/c in the house. It's often merged with a PR, laundry, pantry/storage/work area. Having that area to help stop the loss of heat (or a/c) from the house is very desirable in areas of the country with extreme heat or cold weather.

It's something I didn't have in IN raising my kids and I so often wished I did. It would have made a big difference when the kids (anyone) were running in/out especially in the winter there. I still remember the blast of freezing air in the LR whenever the door was opened!

Here in AZ it's like opening the door to an oven (at 500 degrees) from late June thru Sept (sometimes into Oct).

Then there's the tracking in of dirt, mud, snow etc. Who wants that on their LR floor? having an easy clean up mudroom floor is awesome - like vinyl. Think of that muddy critter that needed to go out to potty during a rain storm!
we'll be coming into that soon here in AZ with the monsoons!
This will be my first yr to be able to contain that to a mudroom (utility, laundry ?).


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AHA!!!
Now I see what the important issue is with the mudroom not being heated or cooled. So it really does not get included as TAXABLE SQUARE FOOTAGE.

You know, down in Louisiana, they would tax a home more if it had an interior staircase, meaning there was a second floor. So that made the home builders place the staircase to the second or upper floor, the enclosed spaces in the attic if you will, be accessible from a staircase built on the covered front porch. This style of house I've seen in many small south LA towns, and the cajun cottages look like a traditional cape with a full width front porch, full length windows and doors across that width, covered by adjustable louvered shutters inside and out. It is one of the most charming styles ever, and quite traditional. They were not taxed on the used attic space if the stair was outside. The object was to use the space without increasing your tax bill.

I had an AHA moment there, Marti. Thanks for connecting the dots for me. :)


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Tax laws have changed quite a bit here too. They used to tax by the number of rooms, and closets were considered rooms, so most normal houses didn't have closets to avoid that extra tax.


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Narrow French Doors

Lavender, found this photo in the May 2011 issue of Architectural Digest. I borrowed the issue from my doctor until next visit. Yeah, I'll take it back so I can get another one. She knows I'm a nut about architecture. :)

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Note that you could use sheers over the glass if you wished. And if you have windows in the space, these doors look like another window opening and let in lots of light even from that smaller space of the next room. And, see how narrow these are. They are sold in pairs at Lowes and Home Depot, and they call them bifolds. But you hang them separately, one each side of the doorway. The effect is that of old outside shutters flanking long windows on old covered porches. I adore the feeling it gives a space.


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Gorgeous space ML. And look at the Knitty Knotty used as art on the cabinet.

I would love to put a window above the master bedroom door at the end of the hall. DH says no but just you wait for me to find the right window shape and consider it done.LOL


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Oh yes, Shades, that sort of window is great for allowing heat to travel out of the room. Transoms? I think they call them that. But it is a feature in the West Indies plantation style homes, adapted and used in many ante bellum homes of the south.

I got another book yesterday. About Creating A New Old House.
And it featured a couple of homes in Louisiana built from recycled OLD lumber, doors, hardware, brick, whatever. Such a relaxed style, where the house is not required to be PERFECT, but just COMFORTABLY LIVABLE. And so it has a lot of class and depth because it appears ageless/timeless.


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Well my DH is off on a guy day . I think I will remove the vent above the door and see what is up there.Hehehehe


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ML- You find the neatest pictures! I wonder if that bifold french door would work on my basement...it's what I'm guessing Summerfield drew in this plan.

The one constant, in all my floor plans, is that I cannot draw! It's very sad, but all too true!! (LOL) So, I did a cut and paste on two of Summerfield's former plans and want to know what you all think.

After much debate and REALLY thinking about how we use the space, how close I want to walk next to a woodstove, when it's on...and how often we have people over for dinner...I think this plan might be the best. The keeping room is what I wanted from the very beginning and the main bathroom has two doors, but eliminates the awkward back hall...and it works better with the roof lines.

I still plan to have the greenhouse off the mudroom and pantry, since it would be wonderful for starting my plants in the spring and there would be just enough room for a table and two chairs, lots of plants and maybe a chair and ottoman. We really need to have a spot to go sit in the sun, when it's -20 below, cloudy and February...and it's already been snowing for four months!

So, what do you think? I guess I've been all over the place because I really need to decide this month what we want to do and start cleaning up the farmhouse. As we're cleaning in out, I don't want to get rid of something I need or keep something I don't...and this fall we'll start demolition and I don't want to take down a wall I might need later! LOL

Thank you for all your help and advice and please let me know what you really think. I trust you all for your honest (but still kind) criticism and wonderful way of seeing beyond what's right in front of you :)

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Exterior (without the greenhouse, but still gives you a good idea)


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Here's the plan.


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Wowsers! I love the house. I had no idea what it looked like - just assumed from things you said that it was a typical frame farmhouse. It's gorgeous.


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Marti- Thanks, but that's Summerfield's vision of the house...it doesn't actually look like that, right now :)

I've always wanted a cottage/farmhouse feel, so we're trying to add some cottage details to the old farmhouse, with just a few european accents. Something you might have seen in the 1920s, after WWI, when a lot of european details were added to smaller homes. Maybe I never outgrew my Snow White phase (LOL) but I love that style of home.


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Beautiful house - you'll have a lovely & cozy home. I would dearly love to have a mud room. We are quite messy & have no good place to take off shoes & boots. Love the large pantry/office/laundry room. Another something we're missing in our home. The keeping room's also so nice. I've found I need a little space away from our TV room to myself. I think you've done a wonderful job planning a home that meets your specific needs.


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Oh I see. I wish Summerfield could give my house a facelift so I could have something to work toward.


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Krayers, look into one of Sarah Susanka's NOT SO BIG books, where she calls the space you want an "away room." Or area.
It can be used as a quiet space, or a space where you could corral the kids with their noisy video games when you want to chat with adult company.

In my case, no kids to deal with but I do want my Teahouse to be the "away" space, where I can have my alone time. In this case, it can stay messy without impacting the interior spaces.

And oh my goodness, yes, Marti, I would love to have an interior plan such as Summerfield created for Lavender. If I could do plans such as that myself, I'd never go to bed again, just stay up and draw draw draw. And the plan is not so personally specific that it cannot adapt to anyone who might someday buy this house


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Marti- Summerfield hasn't been around much, lately, but had some friends in North Carolina that needed help with their home, after the tornadoes hit.

If you asked, when Summerfield gets back, you might be able to get some help with ideas, for your remodel. It makes it so much easier, when you have a well drawn plan! Summerfield's niece (I believe) is designing this software and we will probably see it on the market, in the near future :)


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Again LL it looks great. The mock up front is Gorgeous.

Krayers my get away room is my sewing room which doubles as our guest room with futon. It is a serene quiet place. Useful when I need it to be. For sewing or company and a nice place to nap and enjoy the flowers out the window or snow in the winter. Or just to sit on the futon and read.

It is light and bright but still a very small room.

I really like rooms with more than one use. Especially LL's Mudroom canning kitchen laundry office. Like ML said you create your own away space within the space you already have. Some times just a little corner.


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The homes that Sarah Susanka used to illustrate her concept of the "away" space did not have SOLID DOORS, but in the ones I remember, she used the French doors...either one or a pair of them. It gives you separation without isolation. I like that concept. For women especially, why is it we feel such guilt when we seek some private time in a space separate from the family? EVERYONE needs some "away" time in a personal space that the rest of the family knows and respects as OURS.

LavenderLass, I hope Summerfield's friend soon has her home back together. NOT a happy thing to have your home ripped apart. She is fortunate to have a friend like Summerfield though.

And tell me more, Lav, about the software....you say it is not on the market yet, but Summerfield's niece is writing it? Holy Moley, that would be worth learning and I'll be the first in line to get it. I do so admire the work that Summerfield puts out, but the real talent is in her ideas, the software is a tool.

Shades, rooms with more than one use...right on, lady. With a small house, we have all the usual activities of folks with much larger homes, we are just compressed into a compact floor plan. I believe that every inch has to work. Like making a hallway serve as shelving for books and boxes and display items.

When I redo the kitchen during the winter, other areas will be attended to as well. Like the current hallway in the center of the house will be essentially turned into a closet (where the present entry to the master bedroom is) and the remaining portion of the hall used as an anteroom to the front bedroom/study as a guest suite by tying the tiny bath to it. So, two bedrooms with a way to have a suite. I'm thinking a single bed ottoman for guests. And when I have to replace the living room sofa, that can be a queen or full size sofa bed. The french doors rehung in the 5' wide doorway between LR and DR will allow for privacy there. Not a high demand for guest space, but once we live full time in one house, I figures my DH's family will come visit more often. And the granddaughters will love the Teahouse, even without a bathroom out there.


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ML, I've not been able to get a copy of Sarah Susanka's book yet, but would love to see her ideas. I love french doors in the interior too. Wish I had a space for them in my house. We don't have many rooms, but the rooms we have are large. Thus, no mudroom, dining room, ect.

Shades, I'm going to try & convert an upstairs sitting room into a sewing-sitting-get away from the TV room. The only problem is that it has an open strairwell in it & I can't close a door to get away from the noise of the TV downstairs. Sure wish we'd insulated the floor between the up & down stairs when we built the house.

ML, I have a space similar to you teahouse over my husband's workshop. I don't use it now except as a guest room at the holidays, because it's too much trouble to heat & cool after work, but if I ever get to retire I hope to be able to spend time out there. Maybe someday. My grandchildren do love to go up there & play. Looking forward to seeing what you do with the inside of your teahouse!

My next big project needs to be a gut & remodel of my 20 year old bathroom. Need to post pictures & get good advice from all you smart folks. It makes me a little sick to think about the mess & expense of ripping out the only bath downstairs. Sure wish I had some software similar to Summerfield's to help figure out what to do with that room.


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Krayers I wonder if you could some how put an insulated curtain across your space that can be drawn back when you are not using it as your space. Might at least dull the noise. I am thinking some thing along the lines of the track things they use in hospitals. Paint the track same color as ceiling and it will not show up all that much.

I am still patiently , LOL NOT SO MUCH, for our friend Ray to bring up the two french doors for the studio and my sewing/guest room. Will put so much more light into the hallway. We keep out master door open all the time.I will figure some sort of privacy curtain on guest room door when being used as such.


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LL, your remodel is going to be lovely, and you have really planned and researched.

I am getting my kitchen updated in the not too distant future, but am using the same footprint, just updating cupboards and countertops. Had french door and windows installed overlooking the back yard, love them! Also have ceramic tile in a palomino color for the floor. We bought this house in 1973, and it surely needs an update!

Had to laugh at the link you posted, the same ones follow you from the Kitchen Forum; I thought your answer was fine, LOL! Take care...
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I'm glad you're happy with your plan--the rendering is wonderful--so charming!

I thought of you when I found this 'Snow White' cottage. Be sure to click on the kitchen--you'll love it. They've even included a floor plan.

Here is a link that might be useful: Cottage to drool over.


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Mama-goose I am not LL but I am drooling over this one too. Lovely. I wonder what the roof is made of. Must not be in snow country. Snow slide would collapse that lovely green house.

Wonder what the Snug room is? I think I should name a room here the snug room.


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Lovely plan, like the old Tudor looking wall construction.
I'm thinking the SNUG room is a former servants quarters, since it is not connected to the sociable rooms of the ground floor, only has an exterior intrance from which it can enter the kitchen space, and then the stairs allows the servant to be able to reach the bedrooms upstairs via the interior set of stairs. I never heard someone call a room a SNUG ROOM though. No bathroom....hmmm ....could it be the AWAY ROOM?


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Mama Goose- Beautiful cottage! Thanks for posting such wonderful pictures :)

I believe a snug is a British term for a smaller room (often with a fireplace) that just has a few chairs or sofa and maybe a TV. It's a lot more intimate than a sitting room and usually used by family, for watching TV. My mom always says she wants a 'snug' so I'm just repeating what she's told me.

Ogrose- Your new kitchen sounds beautiful! I love french doors and windows overlooking the garden/backyard.

Krayers- Thank you so much for the kind words! I meant to comment on my last post. The mudroom will be wonderful, especially during our 'mud season' which is supposed to be February through April, but we still seem to be in it, this year!. It's 55 and raining...again!

I've been playing around with my floor plan (again, I know LOL) and I still have two concerns. One, is that I'm not sure about the addition to the master bedroom...the roof lines are always a little tricky...and now the well might be too close.

The other concern is the dining room/keeping room. I really like my banquette idea...and I can seat 8 people, no problem. The dining table (in the plan above) might seat 6. Also, I talked to some woodstove people and they assure me a small camper style stove (just enough to heat that room) would easily fit into the corner....it's supposed to fit in a camper/trailer! They said my little area would be more than enough room. I just need enough space to heat a kettle of water, if the power goes out...so I can still make some tea :)

Here's my alternative plan, with cut and paste exterior. Please let me know what you think. Oh, and here's a couple of pictures of mythreesonsnc (kitchen forum) with his beautiful banquette! It's exactly what I was thinking of, but maybe 3/4 the size...and no built ins on either side. Beautiful window, though. Mine would be similar, but without the arch top, since the main floor has 8' ceilings. Thanks again :)


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Oops! My apologies, for mythreesonsnc...I should have said HER beautiful banquette. I'm glad tomorrow is Friday :)


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Lots of pictures

Oh well, my alternative plan ended up being deleted. My mom found some problems with it and I had to agree. So, I made a few improvements, with her help and thanks to a few friends. They reminded me what I really wanted in a home...so, here are a few modifications to my plan. The old window seat is back (yea!) and I think it makes the dining room feel roomier. They also recommended I go back to my work table over the island, so I could turn it 90 degrees, if the table needs to be expanded to seat 8.

Here's the plan (with only a few small changes) and some fun pictures, I found on the internet. Thanks for letting me have my 'little blog' as I decide what to do with our farmhouse. It's supposed to stop raining tomorrow (finally) and maybe we can start clearing out the junk/treasure. I feel much better, now that I know what we'll need to keep and what we can share, donate and even sell. There are some cool things in that basement! LOL

Kitchen cabinets, backsplash and perimeter countertops. Still figuring out the work table...but I want to look for something fun at the antique/thrift stores...unless we find something in the farmhouse. With a work table, the chairs would be the right height to use at the dining table, for larger groups. Also, the french country cottage look is still what I'm hoping to end up with in this space!

Here are some pretty window seats and a beautiful chandelier. It would look great with the blue countertops :)

And here are some examples of the furniture in the keeping room. I would like to have floral and check/plaid fabrics...very country cottage.

Same greenhouse pictures (which I love) and I'm thinking about vinyl 'wood' floors for the kitchen/keeping room and using the vinyl 'brick' floors in the mudroom and greenhouse. Thanks for looking!


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Great idea about adding a door to the hall bathroom from the pantry.


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I keep forgetting this forum doesn't have a good edit

I also wanted to tell you that I adore the 2nd window seat picture. I wish I could put one of those in my dining room, but alas, not enough room.

Do you have any drawings of the roof? I'm wondering how you will do the pergola over the middle back porch.


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Lavender Lass, did you see this floor?

It's on this thread on the Kitchens forum, herringbone brick floor.


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We have a window seat in the dining area of our kitchen. Rather than a nook like your plan shows(which I love) ours spans the entire width of the wall which is all windows. We use it in place of chairs on that side of our dining table & it has become the absolute favorite place for my grandchildren. Freed up enough room for us to put a large gathering table in there that easily seats 8 adults or more small children. You'll love it.
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How about a spot of tea?

LavenderLass, I'd send this to you via email but don't have it. So, I'm uploading something you might enjoy browsing through at the Replacements.com website where they have a stock of discontinued items, such as this set of china by Sakura, called AFTERNOON TEA, designed by Mary Engelbreit. It spoke your name when I saw it, and so I give you a picture of the cup and flat saucer. Neat, huh.
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So close...

ML- Thanks for the picture...very cute :)

Krayers- That's exactly the set up I've been considering, if I put the dining room in the old porch area. I like the nook/window seat, too...but there's something so charming about a table actually pulled up to the banquette.

Marti- Thanks, I like the door from the bathroom, too. It makes so much sense to toss a dirty towel into the laundry, without walking through the kitchen/dining room. I love those floors! I'm still debating about the 'wood' or 'brick' vinyl floors. I do like the brick, but the wood seems to work better with the dining room in front...but I like the brick, with the dining room on the porch.

Here's the other plan...everything is the same, except the dining table is on the porch and the wood stove is in the front, with the two chairs and ottoman. I can always put the settee (or something similar) in the greenhouse. I'd love to have a little place to read in there...and that's what indoor/outdoor fabric is for, right? They have such nice ones now, that would actually work well :)

Alternate plan (which you may have seen before)

Alternate exterior

Mythreesonsnc's beautiful banquette. I would love to do something like this, but without the arched window. It's beautiful, but I have 8' ceilings. This banquette reminds me of the one I love in Lord of the Rings (Bilbo's house) and the white beadboard is just wonderful.

All the same finishes in the kitchen, but isn't Remodelfla's work table beautiful? Something like this would be so nice for the work table/island :)


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I don't really have a good photo, but here's what I have of our banquette. Our space is very small, and this was the only way we could figure out how to put a table big enough for us all.

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Krayers- I love it! Three windows with the banquette and then the table, with chairs on three sides, for extra seating. That's almost exactly what I had imagined, except my table is oval, with two chairs across from the banquette and one on each end.

Thank you so much for the pictures! Maybe now family/friends can see what I'm talking about...when I try to describe my 'vision' (LOL)

All those pillows look so comfy/cozy. It must be a great place to sit and eat or even curl up and read a book. I really appreciate your help with my plan :)


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It is a great place to sit - even big enough for a nap!! I ordered 4" foam & covered it so it's nice & soft. You can't see, but there are 5 cabinet doors in the bench which provide great storage and an open cubby on each end. It did take a lot of pillows to fill up the space though! Way too much sewing.


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Lots of pillows :)

The cubbies and storage are great ideas! I love the pillows, too...and you sewed them all yourself, which must make it even more special. I'd like to do that, which would make the fabric really tie in with the rest of the space, rather than trying to find ready-made pillows that will work. 4" foam sounds very comfy and while all those pillows were a lot of work, they do look wonderful. I can see why you can take a nap, there :)


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Krayers your banquet is so pretty. Also love your paint color choice.


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Dang, did you win the lottery ? Love it. Congratulations on having a dream.


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LL - your house looks beautiful. I really love the kitchen. It makes me want to start all over again with my kitchen plan, especially since we're probably going to have a wood stove instead of a huge masonry stove. But I better not, if I don't stop changing my mind about stuff, I will never have a house.
Krayers - I love your banquette! Is that your main eating area? I guess I might regret doing something like this with all my messy little eaters but it looks gorgeous.


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Krayers, what size is your room? It looks a lot like the dining room we want to build. But it will be about 10x14. I think a banquette is our only option too if that is our only dining area.


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Hmmm, that window seat shown with the arched window a couple of posts before this one, the set up is exactly like I am planning for our dining room.

Our dining room is 12 x 12 give or take an inch or so. And we have 8'2" ceilings. A pair of windows but no arch. Then about 28" of wall space on either side of the windows, which is where I plan to locate the cabs like in the picture too.
That windowseat will be about 7' and some inches wide, and at least 25" deep, maybe a bit deeper than the cabs on either side of it.

I am thinking that I'll put in above the windows an open shelf all the way across there for display, and hide the small puck dimmable lights inside a shallow soffit there. We already have plantation shutters on the windows, so no curtains.

The base cabs should be rollout drawers full extension. The tops sit right on the base I think, and have glass doors maybe the seeded glass, or frosted glass, to give just a hint of the dishes inside.

I'm about dying to have one of those plate racks seen so often in English kitchens. Oh man, I'd think I'd died and gone to heaven so I could easily select from several styles of plates!!!! I have several 4 plate sets, different designs, because I hate to do things the same every day. I'm that way about everything, not just dishes, so a plate rack would make life SO much easier.

I think window seats are great features in so many rooms, and I'm pleased that they are back in favor these days.


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Shades - Thanks! I love the paint color too. It'll really a greyer green than shows on the moniter - it's a nice restful color that goes well with both the stained wood trim, and the off white cabinets of the kitchen.

Momo7 - It is our only eating/dining space. We did not build a formal dining room. This is at the end of our kitchen & is separated by a peninsula. I was worried about the kids too. We have 5 grandchildren 8 years & under!! I made the cushion cover with a zipper so I could wash it from time to time. It's the kid's favorite place to sit & eat!

Marti - I'm not at home to measure right now, but that's pretty close to our size. The banquette was the only way we could fit such a large table into our space & has worked out great. It's a really large, square table when we have the leaf in it (as is pictured).

ML - Your plan sounds great! I loved the arched window post too.


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Krayers, is your cushion loose or is the foam attached to a board? My neighbor is about to upholster her banquette; she wants to put a board under the foam and attach the fabric to the board, and her dh wants just foam covered with the fabric. She thinks a foam-only cushion will slip around.


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Marti, I've had experience with the loose cushions for banquette seating, which is the way the boats I worked on were set up.

They did slide around a lot. They had piping along the seams, and they also had a lip on the base, trying to contain them. Whether the boat was moving or sitting at the dock, when you sat down and slid over, the cushion always moved with you.

Another thing about the loose foam cushion with just a slip cover, it could very well curl up on the end when someone sits in the middle. It might not do so if you get a really thick cushion, like the one on our living room sofa, which is similar to a day bed (actually a British West Indies island style sofa). That one does not curl up, but it has the snaps to tether the cushion to the sofa, like a dog leash. That keeps it from crawling off when you snuggle back and get comfy.

The board with the foam and cover secured beneath is not as easy to clean, but It stays put. A lip around the base of the banquette keeps it securely in place, but you can take it out to access any storage space below. I think I'd put a couple of lifting tabs on it to keep from damaging finger nails, or keep someone from using a screwdriver to pry it up to get a finger hold.

Covering a board can make it more like a regular chair seat, and heaven knows those last a long time. Lining your fabric with some tight weave fabric will keep the foam from decomposing or getting those inevitable stains so quickly. And then treat the top fabric with some stain repellant, or water repellant, and it will work as good as chairs.

Marti, your neighbor can tell her husband that regular dining chairs are durable and they have a board as a base.
Lots of options to make this banquette or window seat fit your particular style.

However, when we do our window seat, it will be a loose cushion and I'll use velcro to secure the washable natural canvas cover to it, and probably make a spare. I'm a great believer in those flat painter drop cloths sold at Home Depot, natural canvas, just tuck them under our long sofa cushion which is loose, and snatch it off quickly to wash. If you have animals, that is an easy way to remove the dog and cat hair. I use the drop cloths for bird cage covers and right now bed covers as well. You could paint on them and hang for curtains or room dividers. Very handy fabrics.


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Krayers- Your pictures have been such an inspiration for many of us! Thanks so much for posting :)

ML- Good idea about the drop cloths! I think I'll use a loose cushion, maybe with the velcro tabs, but definitely an easy fabric to wash...or maybe that indoor/outdoor fabric. They have some beautiful patterns, now. I think the window seat with cabinets on both ends will look beautiful in your dining room.

Marti- Foam only cushions can slip around, but the velcro idea, ML mentioned, should help a lot.

Krayers- I'm guessing that maybe since you have such a lovely, big cushion it doesn't slip around as much as a smaller one might? It sure looks comfy!

Well, I've been 'fine tuning' my plan and while I really like the two full bathrooms (which also offer easy access to the laundry area) I just think it's going to cost too much for the 3' addition to the master bedroom. Also, the 'back yard' is not very big...since the horse pasture is pretty close to the back of the farmhouse. Instead, I've put in a smaller porch with a nice patio, that can be added later. The hot tub moved to the right of the bedroom (much easier to work with that roof line) and we still have a nice view from the patio. The best view is to the upper right of the plan. The well (sorry, it looks like will) is not that close to the house, but off in that general area.

I kept the greenhouse (which is one of my favorite things) and added a little pergola over the dining room window...perfect for wisteria and/or climbing roses. Also more room for the garden, on the other side of the greenhouse.

Anyway, thanks for letting me try out different plans (again) and as always, I appreciate your input! :)


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You know, I think I like this best of all. I hope you don't mind if I drew on your plan to show you something. You may have already thought of it, but if you took the toilet out of the big bathroom, opened the sliding door back up, you could have adjoining his & hers bathrooms, and the "his" could double as 1/2 bath for the mud room. Plus, having it all connected would give you easier access to the laundry room from the bedroom.

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Hmmm, Marti, I would think that there would be most need of two crappers on the main floor of the house, but then I'm older than most of you and have different point of view. True, having that open for use by the second member of the family without going through the hall, kitchen, dining, pantry, would be fantastic, and quite the luxury for dropping off dirty laundry from the main part of the house. Also, it would let someone coming in through the mudroom with nasty clothing, strip off by the washer, and walk through to the shower or tub without streaking naked through the entire home. I have no thought on how to change anything, it requires more concentration than I am able to muster right now.

It appears to me that the bumpout for a window seat is again on the plan for the dining room? Lovely!!! And a window in the ends so you can view the greenhouse while seated? Nice. Make sure you put a water line into the greenhouse, maybe a floor drain as well. A nice utility sink for potting up plants, and washing dirty hands also. Easy to do, since the pantry sink is just on the other side of the wall there.


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Marti- Thanks for the kind words :)

I like your idea about consolidating the bathrooms, but as ML said, it is nice to have two toilets on the main floor. We're still not sure how we're going to add a bath upstairs, but with my husband's big family, it is nice to have two bathrooms downstairs, for parties/holidays.

That was one reason I started out with the master bath, next to the main bath...but it's just looking too expensive, with foundation, etc. for three feet. If we decide we want closer laundry, we could add a stackable where the coat closet is now...since the basement area will have a bar sink, under the bedroom area. Easy enough to add the plumbing, down the road....hopefully! LOL


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I third the two potties. The older you get the more important is can be. LOL That is my story and I am sticking to it.


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Shades- LOL! :)


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No problem. ;) I just assumed you had another bathroom upstairs. If it were me, I'd probably put the shower where the tub is in the main bathroom and a toilet where the shower was. But I realize you are building that bathroom around the tub so that wouldn't work for you.


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Marti- I like the way you incorporated the two bathrooms...and would probably do something like that, if we definitely get the upstairs bathroom. There's more room around the tub (which you know I love) and the toilet has its own area!

Here's kind of my inspiration for the bathroom, but probably a little more european with the vanity and more plants around the tub :)

Here is a link that might be useful: Sarah Richardson farmhouse bathroom


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I am not a fan of yellow.Long story like brown. Color association thing and bad relationship years ago. LOL But I do love the look of that bath. I would even buy those yellow curtains.


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Shades- LOL! I'm not a big fan of yellow and brown, either...although I am starting to like a soft gold color, in rooms that face north.

I like the claw foot tub, the shower, the window over the tub and the overall layout of the Sarah Richardson room. I also like the farmhouse/vintage style, but with a little more french style...maybe in the faucets and vanity...and the little chair by the tub. I love this picture, but it's a little too frou frou, so maybe something in between? A little whimsy/cottage mixed in with the farmhouse? Snow White/princess on the farm? LOL

Here are a few other details that I love, too!

Here are a few very cute vanities:

Wow! I'm going ever more girlie with this bathroom! Maybe I should reconsider the master bath, because my husband would definitely like a more rustic/lodge look in there...and then he won't care what I do with the hall bath! LOL


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I've been away a few days & it looks like you all have been busy!! LL I really like the new/revised plan. I'm in love with your inspiration photo of the tub in the alcove (yes - a little less frou frou) - love the paneling & window & the mouldings. That would be great in your bathroom. You can always rustic up the DH hall bath & shower & that would be nice too.

ML is right about the greenhouse. We have one & it's wonderful. You do need to plumb it. We didn't put in a sink - didn't want to lose the space for plants, but have a hose for watering. We did put in a drain, but I don't think we've had a great need for it as we did not pour a concrete floor but have about 6" of pea gravel instead. We did put in a couple of ceiling fans & roof vents. It gets really hot in there in the summer. Also a 220 outlet for a heater in the winter. They are hard to heat if it gets very cold in your area.


Marti & LL - the cushion on the banquette does not really slip around much. It's wedged into the space pretty well & is really big. I made it with a zipper down the entire back so I could take it off & wash it when needed. Has worked out really well for us.


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Krayers- I was having a lot of fun yesterday, but I will probably stay with the main hall bath and the half bath, off the laundry. The bigger plan is wonderful, but much more expensive...and I really want the greenhouse! :)

Although I love to daydream (and often come up with some good ideas) I think the main bath could be fun and a little fairy tale, but with some wood and darker colors, it would work for both of us. As for the chandelier...that will probably end up in the greenhouse, over the little table and two chairs, since that space is all mine! LOL

A sink in the greenhouse is a must (you and ML are both right) and it will be easy, just adding it to the back of the pantry sink.

That's a great idea about the cushion...I like the zipper and being able to wash everything is a must, on the farm! :)


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LL I do a lot or daydreaming & planning too! Then my budget kicks in! Any of your plans will be great. That chandelier will look great in your greenhouse - you'll love having it.


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Krayers- Thank you, I appreciate how you all let me daydream and get things figured out :)

I've been playing around with a few changes, based on some of your input. I really like your window seat in the dining room, but I might try it back in the front...and move the wood stove to the 'now porch' area. It would be nice to have a little more seating back there...and the island could be a work table, that can move, when I need to expand the table.

Let me know what you think...and thanks again for all the support and great ideas...from everyone! :)


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LL, I would not worry too much about making the bath dark in an effort to make it work for you and your DH. In our bath, my DH enjoys it so much, it has a luxurious feel to him as well as to me. He thinks it is absolutely PERFECT. As hide bound as some men are, they all have a softer side that needs a spot to retreat to for expression. I'm sure he can live happily with your bathroom, or your style anyway, since he more than likely adores you. What man wouldn't, I'd like to know.

And my clawfoot tub is the centerpiece of the bath, with a handheld shower set. The real shower is in the other bath.

Krayer is right about the really high heat in a greenhouse, depending on the exposure it has to the sun in every season. Our Teahouse has only the east side out of Lexan, and it is insulated everywhere else, but it keeps our portable heat pump going on cool this summer. And I keep it up around 82 degrees. The portable heat pumps are coming down in price quickly, and they are very popular now. I think ours puts out 12,000BTUs on heat, hope it cools that much in the summer too. We are what they call a "high humidity" area, and oh yeah, the condensation pipe drips a LOT outside, DH installed a drain, and I put a big saucer under it to collect the water for the wild birds. I won't worry about the humidity in the winter, when all the container plants come indoors. The bananas and big tropicals will love it in there, after all these years of being nearly wiped out by the cold. I cannot wait to use it this winter, the first test run in cold weather.


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LL, Your new version with the window seat in the kitchen/dining area is almost identical to our setup. It works great. I think you might enjoy the extra seating in the keeping room - a nice cozy space to get away to. We have not missed having a dining room other than at the end of our kitchen at all.


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ML- You are so sweet! My husband probably would go along with any bath I wanted...but I want to make sure it's comfortable for him, too. I like blue (rather than the pink in the pictures) so I think it will be fine :)

The greenhouse will be fun, with a place to have plants, even with our long winters! Thanks for the info on the heat pump and other ideas.

Krayers- I'm glad you said that about your dining room. I want something cozy and inviting, but not too formal, so I think a table at the end of the kitchen will work out very well. The extra seating in the keeping room wil be nice, too.


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Aha! I panicked for a sec there, could not find the little heater/stove. Having that and a nice cuppa tea should make a lot of cold cold days much cozier.

Good for you about seeing that blue works in your bath. Thank heaven there is the tradition of blue for boys.Even though I think it works both ways very nicely.

There is usually more ways to solve problems than one. Like the old saying, "There are more ways to kill a cat besides choking it on soft butter." I wonder who said that originally. Even Ben Franklin in his Poor Richard's Almanack borrowed most of his wise sayings.


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Okay, after some very good comments, about wood stoves leaking smoke occasionally...and wanting more views out the back...I've come up with a revised plan. It's a bit of a 'cut and paste' from several plans, so I hope you can read it. I had to trace over some of the more faded areas.

It's pretty much the same as above, but I've flipped the wood stove/seating area and the laundry/half bath. The mudroom, now has the big sink, which is handy...since the kitties won't be eating my plants. The greenhouse is now planned to be attached to the garage and just down the steps, from the mudroom.

As always, thank for all the good ideas and comments :)

Young-gardener posted this picture on another post...and it's similar to what I want to do with the laundry/pantry area. I'd like it pretty enough, to walk through, to get to the sunroom/porch. I won't have the windows, but the doors will be half glass, to the mudroom and a french door, to the sunroom.


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