I don't know about your local area sales, but there's a plant swap in that area in April. Here is a link that might be useful: Raleigh Swap

I have 3 plants and even if not self fertile no fruit. The animals steal the flowers. LOL. I finally gave up and started eating the flowers, too. They are pretty yummy. Eventually maybe they will fruit. If not I have some snacks while i'm in the yard. *shrug* My shrubs are now 5 1/2 ft tall and I planted them 2 or 3 years ago. I have strawberry guavas too so if they needed cross pollination they would have that. Go figure. Maybe it's just a maturity thing or maybe just a timing issue. ?? Barbie~

Prof, the MH is preferable for the first 6-8weeks of vegitative growth. The plants will be bigger, but I do like the results of supercropping to make stockier plants with bigger stems for nutrient pipelines. Listen to Mike on timing. Here is a 8 week including germination plant that was in a regular pot and only saw MH. Stem Diameters. That plant is about a foot tall, but it is in a massive pot and was transplanted in that pot right from germination. A few of the peppers that went germination, small pot, big pot slowed down every time they were replanted. A 1 gallon container is plenty to do a pretty big plant that will then go in the garden. The roots take a few days to expand to the new area and then plant growth resumes. I still believe 6-8 is good timing on tomatoes and agree with Mike that peppers are a little longer then that. Hope this helps and good luck.

Well I got an answer from Robin Parer of the nursery Geraniaceae in Marin Co CA. Robin is maybe the most distinguished geraniophile in the US and her nursery has the goal of selling most if not all of the hardy geraniums available, as well as quite a few erodiums and scented pelargoniums. She is extremely knowledgeable and has great plants which may well be impossible to find elsewhere in the US (especially now that Heronsood is no longer). Robin says that this hybrid selection is a cross of G. incanum and robustum, both from S Africa, with robutum from a much colder area. She said she doubts that this plant will be hardy in anything colder than z 8 (which obviously leaves me, well, "out in the cold"). I called the nursery where I bought the 2 plants and talked to the perennials manager. She seemed very non-plused and didn't seem to care much. But they do guarantee all their plants for a year, including overwintering. So I think I will probably keep them, maybe even propagate some, and I can always get my money back next year when they will probably croak over the winter outside. Interesting to me that the nursery didn't seem to care that the plant was mislabelled as to parentage and obviously is not a very cold hardy geranium. And it's normally a pretty good nursery too. Robin says that this propagates easily from stem cuttings too like most S. African geraniums. And yes, of course, I have grown Spinners and Brookside and lots of forms of G. sanguineum as well as dozens of other geraniums for years. Here, the deer and rabbits mostly leave geraniums alone (except G. phaeum forms). David