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What is Your Opinion of School Uniform?

Posted by
P Anderson
(philip@lexikon-publishing.co.uk) on
Mon, Dec 10, 01 at 11:10

I strongly believe in school uniform as it helps to promote a good sense of belonging to a community, reduces fashion contests and contributes to a healthy academic environment where children can learn completely free of distractions. My son attends a private school here in Staffordshire where uniform plays a major part. It consists of a blazer, cap and grey short trousers for the Summer and long trousers for the Winter. He loves the uniform and feels part and parcell of school life.


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I think the biggest perk is money saved by not having to buy school clothes. I have two daughters, one is 13, who never wears anything she has picked out. Uniforms simplify our mornings!


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I disagree about saving money. When my kids were at a public school without uniforms I bought them school clothes to wear to school. Among those outfits were a few nicer ones that they could wear when we went visiting on the weekends. They also needed playclothes for after school.

So now that they wear uniforms to school at the charter school I have to buy uniforms, playclothes AND a few nice outfits to wear visiting. So I spend MORE money on clothes, not less.

Mommabear


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In my opinion, one of the worst arguments I have heard from pro-uniform people is that it promotes a feeling that "everyone is the same". Everyone is not the same. It is a fact of life. Whereever you go in life, someone will have a better car, a bigger house, more money, a better job, whatever. As far as a sense of belonging in the community - I don't dress like my neighbors, yet we have a sense of belonging to the same community.

My son has his own style and I think uniforms stifle individuality. I suppose uniforms do make shopping for clothes easier for the parents. I would be interested in seeing some facts about how it improves academics.


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From what I've read here & elsewhere re school uniforms it seems (as we are wont to do in America) all the wrong things are being focused on for all the wrong reasons. The kinds of cultural traditions & attitudes that may make uniforms "work" (as was the case in America until after WW II & in Europe until after the '60's) no longer prevail (e.g., pubescent boys no longer get long pants as a rite of passage). If uniforms are to be now, then it should be simply for their practicality & economy, all the rest is b.s. But given current fashion fads, it would be nice to see boys looking chipper in short pants suits again; likewise girls looking cute in smart pinafores...


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Our school is in their second year of adopting a dress code policy similar to a uniform. It is a Lutheran school and grade K-8 follow it. Basically the kids can wear black, khaki, or navy pants, walking shorts, or skirts. Any plain colored red, white, blue, and green (no emblems)shirt. Sweatshirts, sweater or sweater vests, polos (long or short), and turtlenecks are OK. This has been wonderful. My kids - ages 5, 7, and 9 have no trouble wondering what to wear, yet they can pick out their favorite colors and mix and match. They have to wear a belt 2-8 grade.


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Howdy,

I am 19 yo and I think that school uniforms are bad. When I was in Junior High I had to wear a uniform. I like to wear my own clothes because they make me stand out. I don't like to be the same. But that is just my opinion.


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Why does everyone have to be the same? What is the benefit of that?

Mommabear


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Our school district approved uniforms 2 years ago. I must say when the students attend civic events with other districts they stand out as looking clean cut and ready to learn. Our district's policy is kahki, navy or black cotton pants (cargo pants are approved) skirts or jumpers and any color polo shirt and no LOGOS anywhere on anything.

I think this policy gives the students freedom to choose colors that they are comfortable with and at the same time keep out the brand competition. However, there were many parents against this because they claimed it violated their kids rights. Whatever....

I personally like it - less hassle in the mornings over what to wear. I have a boy third grade and girl sixth grade. They are ok with it as long as they can pick their color shirts they get to wear and my son only wears the cargo style pants. So we are all happy in the morning at our house!!

Also, I work in PTA and many teachers were skeptical and didn't believe this would help behavior in the school. But this year many have stated that they cannot believe it but they honestly can tell a difference in the kids behavior and it is for the better.


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Outside of school, in 'real' life, who wears a uniform?
The military
prisoners
service workers
waitresses and janitors.

No, thanks.

Now if some cloth can improve behavior, establish morale and all the rest of that stuff we are asked to believe, why aren't the school administrators and teachers wearing a uniform? Heck, why aren't the PARENTS in uniform? Let's practice what we preach here.


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In my experience, with reference particularly to Whazzup's point, even if 'everyone being the same' were something desirable, wearing school uniform, at least in Ireland and England, does not promote this 'uniformity'. Private schools have uniforms instantly recognizable, likewise the so-called 'better' schools, and the schools perceived as of 'lower caste' also have uniforms which can be recognized, thereby instantly reinforcing notions of 'class' in our society today which at this stage we all know do not make for overall equality of opportunity for our children - ask any British person about the 'old school tie' mentality which still flourishes in the last bastions of class discrimination, albeit more hidden in order to feign political correctness.


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My DH teaches at a boarding school where there is a uniform policy. At certain times they are allowed to wear jeans or whatever, but during classes it's sport coat, dress pants and tie. I think it makes these kids look respectable (all boys) and sometimes there's nothing wrong with dressing up. i think it gives them a better sense of self and more esteem. It also means they are a representative of our school, and should act the part. There are plenty of other ways to look different than the other kids, even with a uniform. It's nice to see kids who don't have pants dragging around their butts or boxer shorts hanging out, nasty t-shirts and the like. They seem to get along fine without all that.


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while we are at it why don't we make sure they don't just look dress alike but look alike. They would ensure there would be no one picked on for looking different. Oh yea that is right Hitler and the Nazi's already tried that.


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Ummm...okay. Certainly no kid looks "alike," that is what makes each of us different, regardless of whether or not we wear the same thing. I guess if you don't like school uniforms, then don't send your child to that school. You do have a choice.


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Another thought...

Upon thinking some more about this...perhaps wearing a uniform does prepare kids for life in a way. Whether good or bad, a uniform is a distinguishing mark. If you are in the military, usually you and others see that uniform with a sense of pride, in yourself and what you stand for. i see uniforms in public as good things, that distinguish you from the millions of other people without uniforms that DO look alike. I personally don't like wondering if that person is an employee or a customer? because I can't see their nametag and they aren't wearing any distinguishing clothing. A prison uniform is for the safety of those outside the gates - I would want to know that that person walking alongside the road in front of my house is an inmate, if he were one. And even janitors, waitresses and service workers (who probably earn more than most) have to earn a living.

I think people like superintendants and principals, as well as the majority of corporate America, wear uniforms too - it's usually called a suit and tie.


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If 'janitors, waitresses and service workers' earn more than most, why doesn't everyone want to be a janitor, a waitress or a service worker? Oh, sorry, of course, it's the altruism thing again!


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No, I meant service workers make more than most - plumbers, electricians, etc. who make like $70 an hour when they come to your house.


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I apologize, Phyllis - we call them tradesmen in Ireland and they 'clean up' here too. Service workers would be manual unskilled workers, to my mind, though we don't use the term much.


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Sorry, Phyllis, the initial comment re. service workers etc. was mine - didn't realise Blue_Berry (my daughter) was logged-in.


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Sorry, I figured it was just a language difference! ;) No harm done.


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With regards to those of you who asked "what does looking alike achieve?", I answer ... "If you (or rather, your parents) could not afford to have you going to school in all the trendiest designer gear then you would appreciate someones efforts to reach a status quo".

My two sons (now in their mid 20's) both went to state school here in the UK and up until the age of 13 had to wear a rigidly adhered to uniform of Navy Blazer (winter), grey pullover, grey shirt (with yellow and navy tie) and grey short trousers with long grey socks. EVERY boy in school dressed exactly alike so there was no competition for trendsetting. Whether because of this fact or otherwise, the behaviour of all boys at their school was exemplery. both my boys have gone on to good professional careers. My eldest (who is now a father himself) is keen on his young son going to a school with a similar policy to his old school.

If you are opposed to the idea of uniform, it is only because you have not seen the benefits that it CAN bring.

Irrespective of your view, you are obviously caring parents to 'bother' posting here in the first place.

Regards to all


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Louise:

You are right, I have not seen a single benefit to the uniforms in my kids school. They have to wear them and I love many other more important things about the school so they wear them.

In the US most public schools do not require uniforms (although more and more are choosing dress codes). Most private schools in the US do require uniforms. There are also these newer types of schools called charter schools which are publicly funded, but privately run. Many of the operators of these schools want them to seem like private schools and have also adopted a strict uniform policy. IMO this is the ONLY reason they have adopted uniforms in my kids school. It serves no other purpose than to make the parents think of the school as a private school. So-it's marketing, nothing substantial.

Last school year my son went to a public school with no uniform policy or dress code. This year he attends a charter school with a strict uniform code (blue/white shirts w/school logo and kacki shorts/pants/skirts). Many of the kids who attended the public school last year are also attending the charter school this year.

The same kids who were ill behaved monsters last year are now ill behaved monsters dressed in blue or white shirts. I have not seen a single benefit of this school that I can attribute to the uniforms. There are great teachers, smaller classes and a more academic curriculum. However, you can have these things without forcing kids to dress like little clones.

Some people have more money than others. So what? They will still have more money. The kids will know who has money and who doesn't in other ways. And they should know because money is part of life. Some people have lots, some don't. This is a big big so what in my opinion.

I think uniforms are a solution looking for a problem. It makes parents think that school administrators are doing something when in fact uniforms do NOTHING except force parents to buy certain clothes from certain vendors.

Mommabear


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mommabear .... you brought up a very good point about "money". Kids will know when someone is wearing a "hand me down" well worn uniform, a dirty unform, one that is too small because the parents can go buy another one etc. I also know that in our area the uniforms cost a lot more than the cloting my children usually wear. My DS is very into what is in style and I can easily buy him an outfit for less than what a uniform would cost me. One of the reasons we are now homeschooling is because instead if addressing the real causes of htep rblems in our public school system they decided to try to force all public school students to wear uniforms. Most parents objected so now it is policy in the schools in which 50% or more of the parents did not send in a survey that reflected that they objected to wearing uniforms (only about 1/3 of all parents returned the surveys, in most schools it was an overwhelming "no" vote by those who sent them in).


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Personally, I would find it depressing to be told I had to wear nothing but navy and white for eight years, then khaki and red for another four. Depressing and a kind of mental slavery!


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My niece didn't have to wear uniforms. When she was in junior high, she chose to wear all black for an entire year (so much for free choice leading to creativity) :-)

Seriously, some of the uniforms used in schools today are the ones we traditionally think about (plaid jumpers, khakis, etc). But not all of them are. A lot are going with other choices that mean everyone does not have to show up identical every day.


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Sorry, but that really confuses me- we will have uniforms but everybody will wear something different?

As for the girl who wore all black - I think the point is that she CHOSE what she could wear. When we start giving up our smaller freedoms, is the burqua far away?


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A burqua? By that argument, are you saying that children should be free to wear anything and I mean anything. And any restriction means losing freedom of choice completely?

Schools already have dress codes. That's a small freedom gone but then, dress codes have pretty much been in place since the 50's or longer. Uniforms are much more prevalant in other countries, than in the U.S. I don't see any burqua requirements yet.

The uniforms I have seen in some of the recent public school studies are sets of clothes to choose from (jumpers, khakis, shorts, shirts, sweaters, etc) in a set color scheme. The kids can pick from any of that set of clothes to wear.

School Uniforms does not necessarily equal 'uniform' to its full extent in all cases.

I simply hope that parents keep an open mind and before jumping to conclusions, find out what kind of 'uniform' they are discussing. It may not be the starched white shirts and plaid jumpers of our childhood.

Cons:
I hear the primary 'con' is that it prevents individuality. I don't think uniforms stifle creativity or uniqueness in our children. (just my opinion). I hope as our children grow up, their clothes will not define their abilities.

Another thing that might go in the 'con' column is that the jury is still out on whether uniforms, in and of themselves, contributed to improvement in the schools who chose to use them. Fair enough, but I definitely don't see where any studies showed 'harm' coming from them.

Affordability. Those that have trouble affording uniforms have been assisted by most schools in aquiring them. If uniforms were not used, they would have been paying out of their own pocket for non-uniform clothes, so maybe that's not enough of a bad thing to put 'affordability' in the 'con' column.

Pros:
Keeps school officials from having to constantly police hemlines and hootchie girl outfits.

The OP's 'pro' was an academic environment free of distractions. Ok, uniforms alone won't do this, but it helps when you are not surrounded by Britney Spears wannabes.

Posters are on both sides of the fence as far as whether it's cheaper - some think it is, some experienced that they spent more. But seems like all agree that it greatly speeds up getting kids out the door in the morning. That, I think, belongs in the 'pro' column.

Great discussion, even though the 'pro' and 'con' columns are about even.


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I went to a conference last fall that was held at a local all girls' Catholic school. As we were leaving, I noticed a girl in the hallway dressed in her traditional navy sweater and plaid skirt - that came clear up to her a**. I was shocked. Whatever I saw, beit underwear or shorts, obviously meant her skirt was a little too short! So even with look-alike uniforms, they can still manage to look like Britney Spears.


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Telling a kid what to wear most certainly takes away a bit of their individuality. How anyone can say otherwise is truly ridiculous. They look like little clones at my son's school.

Dress codes and uniforms are NOT the same. My kids go to a school with a strict UNIFORM code. That is not the same as a dress code where there are certain parameters (no short skirts, no bare bellies, etc.) to work within, but kids can choose to wear whatever they want inside the set parameters. It makes a tremendous amount of sense to put some limits on what kids can wear to school. Uniforms takes that to a different level and allows no choice at all.

Schools with uniforms still have to police dress codes. Some kids come to school with noncompliant clothing and the administration has to deal with those issues. It doesn't go away it just morphs into another issue. I think that takes one away from the Pro's column.

I think that if the kids have to wear blue/white shirts with the school logo every day then the teachers and administrative staff should have to as well. After all if it makes the kids better behaved little angels shouldn't it have the same affect on the adults?

Mommabear


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Mommabear,

I like your idea that if students are required to wear uniforms, the teachers and staff should, too. It seems that would show a little support to the kids.

karen


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Ditto to Mommabear and Trekaren. We can guide our kids to make appropriate clothing choices without puttng them into the robot mode. And yes, if uniforms are so great, let's see them across the board- teachers, administrators, schoolboard members and parents. I want to see Dubya in a gray logo top and plaid pants every day.

And let's save time in the morning -and every day- by giving up our other time-consuming rights, too. Right to vote, free elections, freedom of speech, religion, life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. Now won't the world be so much easier? No decisions left at all.

If you think I'm being a little extreme- it's when we agree to part with our little every day freedoms that we endanger the big ones. Sometimes it starts with wearing a yellow star, having to drink at the 'colored' water fountain or ride the back of the bus. Little things? Maybe...


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I have been following this thread for awhile and I have to say that I truly am on the fence about the whole issue, so I am asking the following question in the most sincere way. I do not understand the point about uniforms infringing on the kid's individuality. We have in this country millions of adults in respectable jobs wearing a uniform of one sort or another (I am talking about everyone from MD's and judges to hamburger flippers) to work and no one complains about that.
While I don't necessarily think uniforms solve any of the problems that need solving in the schools, I can't for the life of me see any reason they would be harmful to the kids. I am guessing that Supreme Court justices, UPS delivery men and the athletes on the US ski team don't believe any of their individuality or civil rights have been compromised when they put on their uniforms. And in these examples, the uniforms these people are wearing have absolutely nothing to do with the job they are performing--the uniform's sole purpose is to identify that individual as a member of a particular group. Just as I am aware that Clarence Thomas and Sandra Day O'Connor are two very distinct people with their own personalities, I think that 2nd graders are smart and intuitive enough to know that Susie and Katie are nothing alike, even when they are in their school uniforms. Again, I am not a particularly big supporter of school uniforms either, but am I missing something with the individuality argument?


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Even without uniforms, kids still dress like clones anyway. Just take a trip to the mall - they all dress like each other.


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And I still do not agree with the uniforms=burqas=yellowstars=back_of_the_bus. I think you're purposely trying to stir things up.

Come on, this is a free country, but there are laws, rules, guidelines, parameters, etc. By your argument, you could also say that having to drive on the right side of the road, and never cross the line is one step closer to burqas.

The uniforms I see children wearing in the U.S., whether private or public, are definitely not as strict as what I see children wear in Britain and other countries, yet I don't see people there forced en masse to the back of the bus or wearing yellow stars again.

I would love to hear some more opinions from international forum members. What is typical in your country's non-private schools?


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I want to assure you that I am very sincere in stating my beliefs about uniforms and that I am most certainly not "just trying to stir things up." Unless I have mis-read the rules of this forum, we are within our rights to disagree, as long as we do it civilly. By trying to trivialize my point of view, you are violating the rules here. Whether you and I agree or not, all points of view are to be equally represented, with no personal attacks.

As for Supreme Court justices, Olympic athletes and the like, once again, I will point out that they CHOSE those 'uniforms', by aspiring to those careers. This is not the same thing at all as being forced into giving up one of your personal freedoms in how you may dress or what colors you may wear each day.

If I'm to be labeled a trouble maker for sticking up for our daily freedoms, I'm in great company with many other trouble makers: Martin Luther King, Thomas Jefferson and the like. Many of us are flying the flag these days, and at the same time unthinkingly trying to impose this very un-democratic uniform rule on our children. I think that sends a truly mixed message: honor liberty but don't practice it. No, I'm not making a political statement, just an historical and social observation.


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I am sorry - I truly didn't mean to trivialize, or label. I thought I was just disagreeing, which as you say, I have the right to do. It was not meant any other way except to disagree. Sometimes I type fast and type the first thing that pops into my head.

I think, though, if someone makes the statement comparing uniforms to the threat of burqas, etc, that it should be ok to respectfully disagree. The events of the last few months have brought to the forefront what blessings and liberties we truly have in this country compared to others in the world.

I think to compare what happened to the women in Afghanistan to a 10-year-old with a school uniform is trivializing those women who had to live thru that.

Again, not belittling your opinion - just stating my opinion. Where does your standing up for kids dressing how they choose, compare to MLK and others standing up for the right to equal rights for all, no matter their color? (I'm mentally picturing what our country went thru in those days of fighting for civil rights, and what minorities had to endure, versus a little girl having to wear a plaid jumper to school).

IMO, the freedom we have in this country comes with parameters, guidelines and laws. A dress code does not eliminate our basic freedoms of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

To have these parameters and guidelines does not mean we don't honor liberty. Creating many of them was our forefathers' way of ensuring the future of this liberty.

I guess this is my real question: are you in support of eliminating the parameters, guidelines and laws we live with every day, and never having rules of any kind, since I think I hear you are saying that even one 'liberty' sacrificed is one too many.


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In my town (in the UK) almost every school wears uniform whether they are State schools or private schools.

I wore uniform as did my brothers and sisters - it certainly did NOT stifle our individuality.

There was never the problem of deciding what to wear or trying to compete with the other girls....we just wore the same thing every day.

Also, if we were out in town during lunch (which was not allowed) we were easily recognisable and in danger of getting caught and punished.

Another thing, if we were misbehaving on the way to or from school, adults knew which school to complain to...it certainly kept us on the straight and narrow, mainly.


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I attended Catholic schools as a child and always had to wear a uniform. My children attend private schools now and have to wear uniforms. I never felt stifled as an individual by the uniforms and seriously doubt that my kids feel that way either. Personally, I like the uniforms. That said, I don't send my children to a particular school because they wear a uniform but, more for the education they get from the school and the credentials of the school.
I look at clothing as a necessity and as a parent, I would hope I use enough common sense when buying my children's clothes wether they are uniforms or play clothes. It sure would be nice if we debated our educational policies, discipline, and safety measures in school the way we debate uniforms.


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Uniforms in public schools makes no sense to me. Just one of the last freedoms we still have .


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I wouldn't have cared much if I'd had to wear a uniform in school, because I am not all that talented about dressing myself. But lots of people are, whether they wear the exact thing that's fashionable or they wear something totally weird and different just to be crazy or creative. And people are likely to have success later in life based on their creativity with fashion, whether they end up in the fashion or design industry or just because clothes are a way of communicating who you are, and when you look good, you earn more respect and money.

I'll bet anyone that kids are more likely to be successful in the future due to having great fashion sense or creativity with fashion than they are likely to be successful for playing the french horn. And yet kids are allowed to spend a whole chunk of their school time practicing in marching bands. How ridiculous.


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Great athletes look good in uniforms.


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So do foxy waitresses :)


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My school board just decided to implement school uniforms, and I am opposed. Like other posters here, I expect I will have to purchase uniforms in addition to, not instead of, normal clothes. We get most of our children's clothes at yard sales or as hand me downs or gifts, so even if they substitute for regular clothes, they will still be more expensive.

More critically, I believe that requiring uniforms teaches kids a bad lesson about the proper role of government. In a free society, government should restrict liberty (and a mandatory policy is, by definition, a restriction on liberty) only when it serves the common good. That is why TREKaren's example of driving on the right is an acceptable government mandated restriction of liberty.

Uniforms have not been shown to have a beneficial effect, and in fact have been shown to be harmful in some cases. All of the statistically-based research I have been able to find on uniforms suggests that they are either ineffectual or harmful. A 1998 study by Brunsma and Rockquemore at Notre Dame (see link below) revealed that uniforms had no effect on attendance, no effect on substance abuse, no effect on behavior problems, and no effect on pro-school attitudes. They found a negative effect on behavioral problems for students with high pro-school attitudes and a negative effect on academic achievement. Another study by ETS found that uniforms had no effect on similar measures.

I plan to opt my twin five year old boys out of uniforms, though I have to set up a meeting with the principal to do it. I hope it doesn't get my kids blackballed by the administration or singled out by other kids for punishment. Of course, if my kids decide they want to wear the uniform, that's OK with me, but I'd rather give them the choice.

Here is a link that might be useful: Brunsma and Rockquemore study


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i go to a school with uniform. i wear uniform everyday. and i love it. sometimes i don't because i have to tuck my shirt in all the time and ...i think it's pretty ugly. *laughs* but eh, oh well. and my school are pretty stricked with it too. if i'm caught without my dress shoes (which in fact, does decreases possible inches of growing and hurts my feet) or without my shirt tucked in, i'm suspended which is really unreasonable. but hey, the school needs to reinforce it so theres order in the school. the good thing about uniform is that alot of kids can't afford to buy the new and "in" clothes, for ex. gap, guess, etc. and when other kids wear those kinds of clothes, while other kids wear some cheap ones, they'll be labeled. with uniform, kids won't go up to other kids and blurt out, "where did you get that? BIWAY!?" it's quite embarrassing...and theres peer pressure, you can't forget that. so uniform liminates that, and i like it. plus, i can actually get to school in time cuz I already know what i have to wear for school everyday. i don't have to choose anymore!


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Thanks for the link and names of other studies frogman. In every debate that this comes up in no one can give me a study that shows uniforms improve behavior, drug use or grades. It turns out that the uniforms are just one of many new policies started in the districts that have had good results.


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I would truly be willing to give uniforms a shot if someone could present a scientific study (as opposed to a survey of perceptions) showing that uniforms do what proponents claim. As far as I can tell, no such study exists.


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Here's an article from the New York Times which indicates that many districts are eliminating their mandatory uniform policies.

Here is a link that might be useful: Plaid's Out, Again, as Schools Give Up Requiring Uniforms


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Here's an article from the New York Times which indicates that many districts are eliminating their mandatory uniform policies.

Here is a link that might be useful: Plaid's Out, Again, as Schools Give Up Requiring Uniforms


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I am currently in 10th grade at a private school. We are required to wear our uniform correctly ( or we will be sent home or given a uniform infringment notice that equates to a long saturday detention).

Once a month we have the option of wearing plain clothes. On this day, teachers cannot seem to control the students as they are distracted by the informal dress code.. As this is a school community of 1200 students, things often get VERY out of hand..

I personally would prefer to wear a school uniform... As I live in Australia, a uniform is mandatory for all schools... On a recent visit to the USA, i was amazed at how the students could wear free dress without causing a riot like my VERY STRICT PRIVATE CATHOLIC school..

I feel proud each mourning when I put my uniform on. I feel like a belong to a strong community. Old collegions often visit the school and claim they also feel proud to see us upholding the tradition of high dress they set..

I guess american students have grown accustomed to not wearing uniforms.. it seems idiotic to make them wear them now.. wearing uniforms is a nessescity in Australia, but in the US social relations are differnt.


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In my thirteen years of public schooling, I don't recall ever being distracted by anyone's clothing. I can't for the life of me see how everyone wearing the same clothes will make it easier to comprehend a lecture, read a textbook, or complete one's homework. Sometimes we need to let common sense rule.


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Lee,
It's not necessarily wearing the 'same' clothes, but at least adhering to a dress code. Some of the clothes the kids wear now defy common sense. I don't see why a 12-year-old should be wearing hoochie clothes. And I doubt if you'll find too many 12-year-old boys who would not be distracted by the outfits I see.

The one thing I wish a young person would explain to me is how in the world they can go thru the day with those huge pants that hang around their ankles without tripping or being uncomfortable. But then I guess I'm a fuddy duddy. Don't hold it against me! LOL


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As a person who went to Catholic schools for twelve years and wore uniforms. I have to speak out. I loved them because you just didn't have to think about what to wear. You just rolled out of bed, put on the same white blouse and blue cardigan and skirt.
Whereas my girlfriends who went to public used to have major arguments with their Moms every morning about what to wear, what was appropriate, which outfit made them look fat.
We were allowed to wear sox of our choice, some kids got a little crazy with those. And one Friday a month we were allowed to wear jeans to school.
Our school also had a rummage sale once a year where you could obtain used skirts, etc. And my parish was wearing the same plaid skirts since the beginning of time, So you could get the uniforms cheaply if needed. And I have two sisters all about the same size so we just had tons of white blouses in our closet. Just grabbed the short sleeves or the long sleeved ones depending on the weather.
I wish my kids wore uniforms, they go to public school though. I can't wait for the arguments.


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Love them! Love them! Love them! I sometimes wish I could wear one, too! So easy, fairly inexpensive.

Eileen


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My daughter always dressed extremely conservatively for her set through elementary school. We reached a point where it was difficult to find clothing her size that was appropriate.Does anyone wonder why the adult manufacturers of children's clothing make such racy clothing for children anyway?


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joe,
Amen to that! I cannot believe the Britney Hoochie Mama clothes I see in the stores - from the time DD wore 4T and continuing now into her size 7-8. And I imagine it will only get worse as she approaches the tween years.

I have good luck finding conservative or classic clothes at Kohls (they carry Carters and OshKosh and other brands like that), and Parisian.


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went to a private school with a dress code but no uniforms, a private school with uniforms, and a public school where I was a ringleader in stomping out the proposed dress code...

and every opinion I have on the subject has been made obsolete by the fashion industry, who insists on dressing every girl from puberty on in stuff I wouldn't wear pub-crawling.

dressing children up in blazers and short pants lump in with the rest of british prep school perversity- like canings, buggery, and instirutionalized brutality...but then, I'd have been one of the kids left hanging under the stairwell that everyone would pretend was a suicide.

making kids wear simple clothes to school? fine. making them into clones? has been proven to create three kinds of kids- mindless little clones, monsters, and dropouts who might have changed the world if they hadn't raised to believe that independance and creativity were bad things.


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Canings? Institutionalized brutality? Ok I think that has little to do with uniforms. Nor do I think uniforms would prevent Columbine or other tragedies. But oddly enough they belonged to a group that dressed like clones (black trenchcoats,etc).

I worry about your hanging comment. 1) Are you okay? Truly I'm asking sincerely. 2) are there instances of hangings that were murder or something that you are alluding to?

A poster above from over a year ago said it succinctly:

"Even without uniforms, kids still dress like clones anyway. Just take a trip to the mall - they all dress like each other."

You say making them dress simply is fine with you. The trouble with dress codes is it is hard to enforce. Take hemlines. Can a male principle nowadays go up to a female student with a short skirt and measure the distance from hem to knee without being slapped with a lawsuit.


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Lots of homeschoolers in my area. They often have a refreshing viewpoint. Clothes sure don't make a clone like sitting kids in front of television and video games will. For a few lucky adults who work at home or work for themselves, conformity is not an issue. But finding a job when you look like the tattooed lady at the sideshow and have multiple piercings visible to the world is not such an easy task. Making a child conform to a dresscode is not going to stifle their creativity or force them to act alike.They will probobly be forced to conform to dress codes, manners and certain acceptable behavior patterns throughout their lives.Waiting for them to grow into adulthood to learn that acceptance into society is based on conformity is tantimount to allowing a dog to pee all over the house till adulthood, and then trying to train him.Confusing and difficult.Wouldn't it be great if expressions of creativity went back to meaning learning and growing as a musician, artist,writer, etc. Sandy


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I am against uniforms. When I played football, wearing a uniform always made me stand out as a member of a team, so consequently the opposing school players could always identify me, and I blame being tackled on the fact I was wearing a distinctive uniform.

I don't like band uniforms either; usually excessively militaristic. Come to think of it, I don't even like band members being forced to play uniform music; it stifles creativity. What if my muffin hates Sousa and wants to play something by Led Zep instead (while wearing a hoochie outfit). I hate to think of her being restricted.


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I am the most renegade individual I know. I haven't had a conformist notion since age 2. I am highly creative and make a good living doing so. Uniforms don't form the mind, other creative thinkers do.

I believe that if children aren't obessed with the latest fashions or distracted by who is wearing what, they have more time to devote to truly independent thought.


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I'm a parent of 2- boy almost 19 who graduated last year & a girl, 11 going into 6th grade- I am opposed to uniforms. Our school district is thinking about enforcing a uniform policy, and I will not quietly be sitting home while meetings go on, etc. At the last meeting I sat there & listened. From what I understand it was the 6th or 7th meeting. Funny thing, no notices have ever been sent home about this. I found out cause I went to my daughter's school to pick her up for a doctor's appt & saw the notice on the door. Why haven't notices been sent home before? Was the school system quietly trying to pass this without parental input? I went to our web site, did not see a page dedicated to this. I asked at the meeting why it wasn't published anywhere & was told it was on the web site. I then came home & checked- there it was in a small scrolling box. Something this important deserves it's own web page off of the main site- no? Parents using Netscape 4.79 or Mozilla will not see this scrolling message- you have to use Internet Explorer. From what I was told, a notice was "supposed" to go home- well it didn't until the day of the meeting, and if your like any stressed out parent who works, who checks their kids back pack every day when they get home from school? I asked the secretaries for a copy of it, and was going to get a copy until I opened up my big mouth. Once it was seen that I was opposed, I did not get a copy. I'm told it was also in the community newspaper, which also came out the day of the meeting. Surely something this important should come out the week before? So anyway, I will not sit here and not do something for this not to pass. I added my name to the committee so that I can help get the word out, so that others can oppose or agree and be heard. If need be, I will offer any help to make a web page for the districts web master to upload to the web site. I learned that this had been in the discussions years ago when my son was little- again nothing was ever sent home.

The parents (that did make it out) were pretty much split, a few more for uniforms than against. After the count they asked who was undecided- a few more raised their hands. Some "for" said they would have voted undecided had they realised it would be an option- they never did a recount.

My daughter is a little over-weight. I either have to shop at Sears or JC Penney. My daughter does not wear sexy clothes- we go with plus sized jeans with plain Tshirts, or capri's. Her Tshirts are long enough to cover her stomach, but not too long that they are at her knees. Clothes in plus size cost more money, something that I've learned to live with.

Even though she is a plus size, I can still buy her nice clothes at a decent price cause I am able to shop sales Right now I have this option since I can buy her clothes off of the rack in the store. Uniforms are not available in the store & will have to be purchased online. Sure they have sales at JCpenney.com, but now I have to pay shipping. As others have said, I will still have to buy play clothes which I can't get cheap & buy at lesser priced stores. I still have to buy my daughter sneakers (Nike's or Van's) for gym but thankfully my daughter can have these name brand sneaks cause we shop sales. She is allowed $35 to $40 for sneaks. I buy her new ones every 4 months. If my township decides that shoes will be needed also, this is another expense. Sure, right now my daughter has dress shoes (read Imelda Marco's- shoe fetish) but I can buy her shoes on clearance for $15. I highly doubt that they will allow the shoes she likes with a uniform.

Dressing is easier with uniforms. How many parents here can honestly say they like doing laundry? Think about it- you will not only have to wash the regular clothes, but also the uniforms too. Add to your time washing the clothes, the added gas or electric needed to dry the clothes. Our gas bill is high right now without more laundry to do. Laundry detergent is something I hate to buy- it is pretty expensive as it is- how many more bottles of this per year will we have to buy for the extra laundry?

Our kids will have it easier in the morning dressing cause they have no choice, now the parents are stressed cause Johnny needs a new bike for Christmas & we don't have the money because of this added expense. How much more child abuse will happen cause parents are stressed to the max over this? Do we as parents really need to have more money worries? How many divorced parents are there? These mothers (or fathers) have a hard enough time making ends meet as it is. Try to get more child support for uniforms- not happening. My Ex won't even reimburse me for medical without having to hire an attorney to go back to court for another order.

Kids in uniform can still "roll" their wasteband to hike up their skirts. Will the school system start sending them home for this? We have a dress code right now & I am not seeing them send kids home now. Uniforms are not the answer. Why not hire someone to patrol the halls to monitor & enforce the dress code we currently have? I pay taxes, I would rather see this than me having to shell out more money cause they can't get their act togather to enforce what we already have. The boys can still buy big uniform pants so that they hang off of their butts. If the parents are allowing it now with jeans, why wouldn't they allow it with uniform pants? Parents have to monitor what their kids wear regardless of regular clothes or uniforms, most don't. This is why we see kids dressed like Britney Spears. How many parents will be in the dressing room while Johnny tries on his uniform? How many parents see their kids before they leave for school?

I don't think uniforms will stop teasing. These kids will still say so & so is fat in their uniform. The uniform will not hide a weight problem. Dirty Johnny will still go to school in a dirty uniform. He will still be teased. He will be teased cause he is wearing a donated uniform. Johnny will still get into fights cause he is an easy target.

Some parents don't even know we have a dress code- why? Because these parents don't take the time to read over the handbook that is given at the beginning of the year.

My son that graduated last year- he has never been teased about what he wore. He was an art student that dressed in comfortable clothes- Levi's painters pants with a Tshirt that had a saying on it. The saying was never anything sex related- usually something to the effect of "Everyone is entitled to my opinion" or Mets stuff- he was always seen wearing his Mets jacket- & Nascar stuff. As long as he was comfortable he could care less that he wasn't wearing Nike. He did not want to be part of the crowd- he was an individual & proud of it. He is so glad he is not in school any more to have to wear a uniform.

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Those of you that do have uniforms in public schools- do they have reasonably priced plus sized clothes for our girls? How about slims for the skinny girls? I remember hemming skirts for a neighbor's daughter that was heavy, she was also short. From what I saw of Catholic School uniforms the parents that had special sized kids sufferred by having to alter them in one way or another. How about our over-weight boys in husky sizes, will they be accomodated? Can you buy the uniforms on sale?

Here is a link that might be useful: Pemberton Township


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Is anyone a member of the New York Times? I'd like to read that article linked above but can't without paying for it. Did anyone save it? A search of the site brings this up.....

NATIONAL DESK : September 13, 2002, Friday

Plaid's Out, Again, As Schools Give Up Requiring Uniforms

By KATE ZERNIKE (NYT) words
Late Edition - Final , Section A , Page 1 , Column 1

DISPLAYING FIRST 50 OF WORDS - They tried hard to keep school uniforms going. They relented on the requirement for the logo. They allowed casual Fridays. They phoned every parent in a school of 1,300 students and reminded them that uniforms were mandatory -- though yes, there was the opt-out provision for anyone who really ......


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jcpenney.com has a selection of plus size and slim size uniforms available. Skirts are less than $20 and white blouses are less than $10.

When I taught at a Catholic school the dress code was less formal than one would expect (no plaid). Everyone had to wear dress shoes, no jeans, and the boys had to wear dress pants, chino type pants, and a tie.


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My kids wear uniforms to public school, and it is WONDERFUL. What to wear is a non-issue, and the range of acceptable choices is very large, so even though some of us have very limited budgets, the kids don't suffer-- each of my kids has four uniforms, so they always have to wear something twice in a week, but no one can tell. Our uniform is: a white, light blue, light yellow, or navy shirt with a collar (can be a turtleneck, an oxford, a polo, short- or long-sleeved) and then khakis or navy pants or skirt or shorts or jumper. there is not one particular style so kids of all sizes have no trouble getting the right thing. There is a plaid jumper you can choose as well, and my daughter has one since it was a hand-me-down. I have four kids close in age and it is great that the uniforms are not trendy stylistically, so they can be handed down. The jumpers can be several different styles. I got my daughter's at a thrift store. There are no school logos on anything except the sweatshirts the PTA sells, and those are optional. Mine wear plain navy sweater sand sweatshirts. It has cut my costs for dressing the children well for school, and it puts the emphasis on expressing oneself through your personality and work instead of through what your parents can affors or will allow! The uniforms at our school have been a HUGE success, and I am very greatful for them. Another nice thing is that if something is clean it can be worn twice in a row, too.


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Two weeks ago my daughter & I started school shopping. We shopped at Sears, Khols, Fashion Bug & a local store called Peebles. We mostly shopped the sale racks- Mudd jeans as low as $5 a pair, the most expensive was a $15 pair of capri's she had to have that was not on the clearance rack that was not only 1/2 price of original, but another 1/2 off of that.


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I received an email yesterday with links to that article that is linked up top. The lady that sent it to me said that I could post it here for everyone

Plaid's Out, Again, as Schools Give Up Requiring Uniforms

She also gave me another link Asserting Parent Rights click on Important Links. It looks like a lot of valuable info here.


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The California Educational Code states: that children have the right to learn in the LEAST restrictive environment. In my opinion uniforms are restrictive.

Sometimes, dress codes can get out of hand as well...
I know a single mom of three very active boys. She was layed off from work 3 times, struggled to put food on the table and put clothing on her boys. Our school dresscode stated, no ripped pants or patched pants. Well...on her budget what was she to do? Anyone who knows children know they will rip the knees of pants. I understand the ripped portion of the dress code, but by eliminating patches they were forcing her to buy new pants every time a knee wore out. I'm sorry. But Public Schools are for all children! Dress codes should accomodate different economic situations. Uniforms, while many here think they are less expensive... will cost many parents more and cause many problems.

I'm opposed.


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The only benefit in uniforms is the boyscout feeling of all participating and being one. It must also be easier on the teacher as to not have to look at a 12 yo girl in a halter top and her underwear hanging out of her low cut jeans. And the heavy makeup and perfumes can be very distracting...I think this sexualization of our young people is unhealthy and while my 12 yo niece in Chicago is bragging how people think she is 22 years old and men are extrememly attracted and starting to make advances towards her...uniforms may help reduce this distractions in the schools.

I understand how kids want to stand out, but maybe a more wholestic dress codes rather than uniforms would be the answer. My step son walks around with his jeans falling to the ground and has to run with his legs spread out to help keep his jeans up. I think that flashing your a@@ (in their innocence of 'fashion and style"is not appropriate and may attact the wrong people .

Recently their was a man known for stalking young boys and messing with them. Thankfully, he has been booted out of the area. But there are ocassional sick people everywhere and kids are so innocent and dress is such a strong statement, just trying to be cool and immulate current TV propganda.

just my thoughts..

Cheers- GX4


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I have a few kids. Two are at a school with uniforms. The other is at a school without uniforms. However, I see little difference, since even without uniforms, they all wear the SAME look...low ride jeans or short denim skirts and t-shirts. There are only a few that dare to dress differently, (they are the GOTH group) and yes, they all dress like each other...black...so it is still a uniform of sorts, because you can still pick them out of a crowd and say they are in the GOTH uniform...black...very few people are actually willing to be truly individual...even if they say they are. They just pick a group, and dress like everyone within that group, whether they are copying each other, or copying stars.

If you are a teen, and really want to be an individual...try wearing the super high waisted jeans, with the 9" zippers. Now, you are willing to be an indivual and stand out... make a different statement from your peers!


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roselvr...your fears are unfounded. I have kids in different schools. Some at a public school with uniforms, and the other in a school without uniforms.

First of all...with uniforms, I do not spend more money. I buy the bottoms (khaki, or navy) from all the regular stores that you buy from...and they just wear a different tee-shirt on weekends, but the same bottoms. My kids will not wear those stiff uniform bottoms...so we, and EVERYBODY else, buys what ever navy or khaki bottoms they want to.

2nd...I bough the better quality uniform shirts (polo style) and they not only wear them, buy I have been able to pass them down through two more children. The cheap ones I learned fade out, and shrink short and fat, where the good ones have actually made it through several kids, and since they are unisex...it has worked out well. I will get them each 2-3 fresh new shirts each year, and incorporate the hand me downs from their siblings for the extras. Soon, they all begin to look about the same.

The extra wash and drying and electricity argument is a needless worry, ( it seemd unkind to say nonsence...but it is) as I have picked up so many shirts over the years with the kids, that I am lucky if I do laundry once a week, and at times, I won't do laundry for 10 days. Also if you buy the 100% polyester, she may make it through an entire school year never washing the thing! Anything wipes off of the stuff! Of course I am joking (only partially) but the stuff wears like iron, and everything wipes off!

If money is a problem...accept some of the donated ones for the "extras" and buy her a few fresh ones to start school with. In no time, she will not remember which are the extras and which were the new ones.

Kids still have a way of being an individual even in uniforms. they do it with shoes, socks, hair, and jewelry.

And about the kids in middle school...perhaps YOUR daughter is not dressing sexy...but a large percentage of the girls are...even the "good" girls trying to fit in with their peers. Many of you will experience clothing "shock" when your daughters go from girls clothing sizes to junior sizes. The junior department is ALL ABOUT VERY, VERY, low cut jeans (which the girls all wear) and they buy tee-shirts that are supposed to not show bellies. But the school get lax, and the girls experiment to fit in. At first, many of our daughters won't buy "those" jeans...but then their friends all start wearing them, and you will shop and not be able to find anything else (for those in junior sizes) and you start to compomise (knowing that your daughter is one of the good girls...and wanting her to fit in) and the bar in lowered. And somehow...you look at your daughter one day as you are visiting the relatives, and know you compromised more than you should have.

The one area I would stand strong is that the uniform bottoms must be navy, or khaki....because those they can wear to play or on weekends and mix with other tops...I would absolutely vote NO for a plaid, as they really would not wear it at any other time, and if I had to look at that same plaid every day for years on end...I might go stark raving mad!

Anyway...turns out it was really not worth the stress of worrying about uniforms. Worked out better than I thought. Also, I was relieved when my middle school kid went to a new school with no uniforms. Finally free! that relief lasted about a two months...and now clothing is a daily hassle. They start wanting all the cool clothes they see on the other girls, and the struggles begin. the shirt you bought them that they "love" ...eight weeks later they are over it, and will not wear it again. Ever. no matter what we tell her.

And your daughter is 11....almost in middleschool. The fun begins.


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I am not nearly 30yrs old but i have to say that my husband and I are both pro-uniform. My family couldn't afford nice clothes and I can't tell you how much it hurt to not be able to "fit in" because of my hand-me-down clothes. Sure, you would say that if people judge you like that then you don't want to be friends with them. However when you are 12, this is hard on you.
My husband came from an inner-city school. People were STABBED and beaten up because of their clothing. If you had a jacket that someone wanted they would take it. People approached my husband once and said "Hey, I like your shoes" and he was scared that they were going to hurt him for them. Some clothing details specify what groups or gangs you are in.
studies have been done showing that having dress codes in these schools reduces violence.
My individuality doesn't come from what I wear. I work in a hospital and even if I wanted to wear low-cut shirts and hoochey mama clothing I wouldn't be allowed to, this doesn't seem to affect my individuality. Kids can go home and change. They don't need to wear uniforms all day. School is work for children and they should come prepared and looking respectable, just like adults are required to be.
-renee


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Very well said scryn!


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i think their gross & im happy my school dont have em. but they can be good cuz then i can spend less time picking out an outfit for school and people will stop competing to see whos dressed the nicest..


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I think school uniforms should be required everywhere. My two sons 14 and 15 wear their school uniform nearly everyday, at weekends and school breaks as well. It helps them to concentrate at school and its much cheaper and we have no arguments about clothes, they don't have to come with me to buy their clothes, since they only wear school uniform. I started this uniform rule 2 years ago, their grades were really bad, but now they are among the top students in the school. I said they wear it nearly everyday, ehen they don't wear it, they wear a tuxedo or a suit(on christmas, easter, thanksgiving and bithdays).

The uniform consists of: navy blue dresspants(grey dress shorts in the summer), white long sleeved dress shirt, blue tie, black blazer, knee socks and dress shoes.
At first they disliked the dress code but now they have grown into it. I'm plannig on enforcing this dresscode until they move out.


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In Australia all schools wear uniforms. So all children know that is what will happen and dont know any other way.

From a parent's point of view, I love school uniforms. No decisions about what to wear each day. For girls this is fantastic....I have a daughter who spends hours getting dressed when she has a choice of what to wear.

I wore my school uniform with pride.

Also, it is easier for the teachers, when out on a school excursion, to identify all the children under their care. Imagine what it would be like, having each child in their normal clothes, how would you keep track of them all ?

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I was resistant at first,as I sew unique outfits for my daughter and enjoy individuality. After this 1st year at her new school with Lands End Uniforms, I can honestly say I love it. No, not cheaper, about the same and perhaps more with needing afterschool clothes. We have our 2 uniform drawers in her dresser and it's a definite no brainer in the mornings. And, there are ways to save, such as all short sleeve shirts coupled with 2 sweaters and a sweatshirt.


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This is what I say: If you want to force anyone into uniforms especially kids and teenagers, SHUT THE HELL UP!
Especially the teachers and administrators, those douchebags just put this crap so they wont have to get off their fata.. and do their job. Even then that doesnt work. I'm 17 and my school started the policy last year, ever since my grades went down along with others. The only reason why our school might have a high percentage of passing students is because of the seniors last year. The wore whatever they wanted last year although they had to pay 10 dollars for it and about 95% graduated. As for the rest(9,10,11 graders) either barely passed or failed, I barely passed. I'm tired of paying for their mistakes, they need to know that this is America we have rights, if they take them away then they are no different from a terrorist. Even chipping away at our rights is a terroristic act


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What chips away at our country is youth who do not take ownership for their own actions, and instead seek to find others to blame.

If your grades are down, look somewhere other than your dress code to blame for it.

When you have to hit the real world and find a job, you will find that dress codes will be the least of your problems. Especially if you expect the d-----bags to actually pay you a paycheck.


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Nice language... that is your problem... don't blame the dress code on your problem. You give 17 year olds a bad name.
And yes, regardless of what today's youth view as acceptable clothing, when you go out to look for a job, those who are neat and well dressed and look like they cared enough to bath and press their clothes for the interview WILL get the job ahead of the bad attitude / entitlement attitude person who applies for that same job.
I thought they policed these forums... in the old days they did a better job of censoring eejits that post things like that.


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Sadly, I think a big part of wearing uniforms these days is the atrocious way that so many kids are arriving at school. Uniforms are a way to make it easier for teachers so they don't have to hassle kids about their dress. If more parents would have a sense of decency about what their kids wear to school it wouldn't be such a problem. I hate to see a 5 or 6 yo girl wearing a t-shirt that says "flirty", or something equally inappropriate. Skirts are short, pants are low, bras are worn sometimes, bellies are hanging out....need I say more?


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Around here the public schools generally do not have a "uniform clause" anyway - UNLESS there is a gang presence / problem. In which the clothes and colors of clothing etc. are used to signifiy memberships or allegiances, etc.

So there is a valid reason for using school uniforms, at times it is public safety. Not a way to "stifle individualism" as so many people wrongly think.


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I have a serious question that I would appreciate responses to. If your school requires a fancy uniform, like wearing a tie and blazer and dress shoes every day... does it result in an elitist attitude in the students? I am Catholic, and fear that the children will end up very materialistic and snobby if they are always having to dress as if they were going to Easter Mass every day. Don't they look down their nose at the "regular kids" that go to the public school?


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NO I would not say that it will make them materialistic. In fact, kids usually hate wearing those uniforms and can't wait to take them off after school. And they will envy the public school kids for being able to wear what they want.

Been there - 12 years of catholic school. I personally liked the uniforms, but I was just always (and still am) a person who has NO fashion sense at all. I would wear jeans and t-shirts and gym shoes daily if I could. But most girls hated the uniforms.

I thought they were great because you could not tell the rich kids from the poor kids as they all dressed the same. In the public schools, in my experience, there was a big deal about which designer jeans you wore and all that nonsense. I grew up in a town where there were a lot of well to do folks and I heard that the poorer kids felt really left out because the rich kids made fun of you for wearing discount store jeans or gym shoes.

That did not happen in my catholic school environment.


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After reading through most of this, I see lots of comments about individuality and cost saving, etc. I teach in an urban middle school (public). We have a uniform policy for none of these reasons. My school is on the fringe of several different gang "territories." If one of my students happened to wear the wrong color, he/she would probably run into trouble on the way to or from school. Our uniform is carefully thought-out so as not to allow for any "representation" of gang-related colors, themes, logos or symbols. Does this take away from their individuality and make them blend? I don't really care, as long as they come to school everyday with some measure of safety.


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sheltiemom: round here the public schools generally do not have a "uniform clause" anyway - UNLESS there is a gang presence / problem. That was in my past post. I totally agree with you!

But Teens are so sensitive about their individuality though... not thinking that it is just SCHOOL. They can be "individual" at the mall after school or at the movies on the weekend. School is for one reason only, to be there to learn in a relatively safe environment.


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I am definitely in favour of school uniforms for the following reasons:
1) It creates a sense of belonging for the school pupils
2) The poor children will blend in with the rich children, instead of standing out and being mercilessly teased and bullied.

Those who has expressed such concern about the child's individuality are obviously talking from the view point of those who can afford it. The poster who thought it was great that a child had the freedom to choose to wear black all year probably doesn't know what it is like for the poor child who might only have one outfit to wear all year. That child may be one of those mercilessly bullied.

In my home country, public (government) have uniforms and the private schools might not have uniforms. This makes far more sense than the North American approach of public schools not having uniforms but private schools having uniforms. Public schools are more likely to have a greater mix of children from different socio-economic groups, than private schools. We were normally able to buy second-hand uniforms, either through the school or by checking in the local newspaper. The newspaper/s would have a special section especially for uniforms where people could list which school's uniforms they had available. We were also not allowed to plaster our faces with make up, nor wear jewelery. I don't agree with young girls plastering their faces with make up, just to go to school.

Those who are so concerned about expressing their individuality have plenty of opportunity to do so in their after school clothes. Typically the friends children hang out with after school will be of a similar socio-economic group. So the rich girls can hang out at the malls or where ever, free to express their individuality there. The poorer children that hang out together will understand that their friends can't afford the latest fashions etc.


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I am a student and disargee with the whole school unifroms thing. people say that they improve your grades in school but how can they,they are just clothes.

what if a 9th or 10th grade student deicied to attack a senior how would they discribe the attacker?

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My daughter used to agonize over what to wear to school each day, was late a few times from changing, trying on, getting mad. It was all about who would make fun of that brand of jeans or shoes, etc. She really wanted to have uniforms just so she could concentrate on learning, not on what to wear. A friend said her son in 9th grade was so distracted by the how the girls were dressed that he had a hard time concentrating. In spite of dress code there were cleavages, short skirts, tight, gaping sweaters, falling off the shoulder, etc. We never did have uniforms but I think my family would have liked it. Express yourself with your personality or your words, not your Abercrombie shirts.


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Hi all!!!
I too agree that it is the best idea and we should appreciate the one who has started this first.
Not only for the benefit of expenses, confusion relief is also there and the main thing it will not show any economic difference which will be an obstruction for growth of kid.


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I am not a fan of uniforms. That's why I send my kids to public school.


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Like there are two sides to every coin, same is the case with the argument of school uniforms. Here's what I think in this regard:

The pluses:
1. Overall less cost: Compared to what the children would actually prefer to wear had there been no uniforms.
2. Works towards inculcating a sense of discipline in the child.
3. Contributes towards a sense of overall uniformity among the students as a whole - the primary goal of keeping uniforms in the first place.

The minuses:
1. Zero individuality - but then there's always the option of showing your individuality elsewhere, apart from school.
2. Financial burden - to lower income families.
3. May lessen the comfort level of the child.

However, on the whole, I am of the view that school uniforms are a part and parcel of every educational institution and need to continue being that way - there are many more pluses than minuses when you look at it practically.


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