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energy_rater_la
9 years ago

my neighbor does handyman work.
recently I recommended him for a job for a new
neighbor. it didn't go really well...adequate...but
nothing really great. but it was fence making &
carpentry for a horse barn...no finesse needed.
in return for my recommending him for the job,
he recommended me for a job he is working on.

I'm working with a friend bringing electrical up
to code, and my neighbor is installing vinyl siding
on a house with asbestos shingle siding.
he started with the vinyl yesterday...I was on
another job & didn't get back on site until today.

this is what I've observed.
asbestos siding is covered with felt paper,
vinyl is screwed tightly to walls.
trim around windows and doors...its bad.
really bad. corners are open & water will get into
the window/door frames.
cuts in vinyl around back porch light has a gap
from 1/4" to 1". the overhang isn't much in this area.
the taller wall with shorter addition has gaps up to 4"
wide with a piece of vinyl stuck behind the miscut
vinyl.

the homeowner is sorta a pita..wasted 6 hours of my time
saying he wanted to install central system...then
denied he ever inquired about it.
I can understand changing his mind...but to deny
asking about it & all the discussion that ensued...wth??

otoh...he is an older man who bought the house to
fix it up a bit (complete replacement of electrical including
panel etc) vinyl siding..will paint inside etc.
then he will sell it.

it really bothers me to know that the water will
enter the door/window frames...and that the wood that
was replaced at windows & corners of the house
are pine, which I think will rot fairly soon.
but the vinyl install...its the stuff of nightmares!
y'all know I'm sorta a flashing freak.
(freak for flashing...does that sound better??)

I've had to stop looking..its just too upsetting.

on one hand ....this is a neighbor of almost 20
years who has been nothing but good to me.
I've learned his plumbing, electrical & carpentry
skills are minimal at best. but he gets a lot of work
being from this area all of his life.

otoh..the homeowner is more or less just flipping
the house & will move on to the next cheap house
in the next small town next year.
the next homeowner will inherit all the problems.

do I keep my mouth shut to the homeowner?
do I point out the problems to my neighbor?
& try to tactfully show him the issues & suggest
how to resolve things??
or do I just keep my mouth shut period?

for now I'm just biting my tongue. but I'm curious as
to what my GW friends would advise.

tia!

Comments (7)

  • Gretchen W.
    9 years ago

    It depends on a lot of things. Here in Texas we have codes to follow and when houses sell they have to have a house inspection. If it bothers you I would tell the person that it is not done right. If I was in that person's shoes I would want to know work is done the correct way not the crappy way.

  • User
    9 years ago

    Your name and rep arre on the line every time you recommend someone who does sub-standard work. I'd talk with your neighbor first as a courtesy, and put some pressure to bear on getting him the info to be able to do the job correctly. Tell him if he doesn't correct the job, that you will no longe be able to offer him referrals for anything but the most basic gruntwork. But, if he steps up and corrects the job, and ups his skils, that you can continue to give him a reference for some of the more advanced skills work.

    Don't hold your breath for him to jump on the chance to make it right. Be prepared to do the right thing, which would be treating the customer like your uncle. Inform the elderly gentleman that the job would not likely pass inspection, and why. Then use your network to give him a recommendation for someone you know does stellar work. He probably wont care, and the two are propbably a match made in heaven. But, at least you'll have tried to do the right thing. You'll likely lose the reationship with the neighbor, but it honestly sounds like you really shouldn't be recommending him anyway.

  • sdello
    9 years ago

    As long as your work is done correctly then whatever your neighbor does is his business.

    You might point out some of the flaws and suggest improvements to your neighbor to see if he's trying to do quality work and just doesn't know better or if he's just sloppy and really doesn't care.

    As I see it, you're not responsible for your neighbor's part of the work and it's up to the owner to check the quality of the product he's buying.

    Net comment from me, is don't rat your neighbor out and if you're uncomfortable about being part of his work, then graciously turn down any future projects with him.

    My 0.02

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    Joseph Corlett, LLC
    9 years ago

    I'd send an anonymous letter to local building officials. If they slap him with a red tag, he'll bring up his game.

    Someone did this to my "handyman" father-in-law and I couldn't have been happier. He's got a real hillbilly streak in him.

  • energy_rater_la
    Original Author
    9 years ago

    building officials...LOL! sadly this is rural La.
    code inspections don't happen in existing homes.
    when I went to see about a permit for rewiring the
    house, the lady looked at me like I was crazy.

    holly, I recommended him for the horse farm work.
    he, in return recommended me for the electrical work
    on this job.
    we are still cleaning up for him @ the horse farm.
    leaks in water lines he put in...pvc with glue, but
    no cleaner..and some pieces not even glued.

    today I asked about how he was going to keep water
    out of the corners of the window trim. got some bs answer
    about caulk. so I talked to his young helper & let him know
    that there are premade corners to stop water from getting
    behind the trim pieces. later I heard the helper talking to his
    uncle about the corners..so there is hope that the nephew
    is interested in doing things right. he is getting ready to
    put vinyl siding on his own home..so there is incentive.

    as for inspections for existing homes..it is rare for existing
    homes in this low price range ( owner wants $60,000...paid
    $40,000...will probably get $55,000 at best)
    the parish (county) is one of the lowest income brackets
    in this part of La.
    most first time buyers in this price range are scraping
    together down payment with no cash left over for
    anything not required.

    the owner isn't concerned with any issues that may
    occur down the line..as long as it looks good & any
    problems occur after he sells.

    having a above code mentality, it has been pointed out to
    me that I expect too much. and honestly...I feel that if it is worth
    doing...its worth doing right. but not everyone feels the
    same.

    I doubt that we will be working on any projects in the
    future, it is just too frustrating to me to see the quality
    of work being produced.
    of course he wants me to come change his central system
    & replace ductwork...cause he has seen the central
    system & ducts in fur downs in my own house.
    he just can't get over that I have a small system & the
    house is so comfortable...bigger is better after all...LOL!

    thanks for the opinions & letting me vent.
    job will be finished Monday..would be finished tomorrow...
    but I have a previous commitment.
    I'll be glad to see the end of this one!

    y'all have a great weekend.

  • sunnyca_gw
    9 years ago

    Think about fact this house will be sold to someone/family & won't it bother you that when the rain comes in there may be a very sick family from mold., I would talk to nephew & tell him to develop proper work habits & do things right so he will get more jobs to do. Also eventually someone may sue him. Something that affects peoples lives should be done right. You wouldn't leave out every other stud building a house (well nowadays maybe some would.) Would you do an electrical job half/way knowing it could kill someone, I don't think so! We all have to depend on each other & there are enough screw-ups in the world, we need all the "good guys " we can get! Help the young man be 1.

  • energy_rater_la
    Original Author
    9 years ago

    just got off the phone with the nephew of my neighbor.
    I found him a free class on installing vinyl siding.
    it is put on by siding mfg.
    he is happy to go...but of course my neighbor isn't
    interested. but hey...hope springs eternal...maybe
    his nephew will share what he learns with his uncle.

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