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Posted by jennye (My Page) on Thu, Jul 26, 07 at 3:04
| My house is being remodeled and it has been an utter disaster to say the least. I have had so many people come through here that it could have been any one of them. The alarm system was relocated due to the construction. A contractor for the kitchen counters had come through the house. I had hid a key for him and left the back gate from the alley unlocked so he could get in. He left, calling me and discussing something at noon. I came home at 6 PM to find the patio doors kicked in and the dead bolt bent. The burglar(s) had gone through the courtyard trying to find a key, but never did. My 8k mountain bike was gone, among other things. The front door has a double lock, meaning I need a key from both ends to get in. Both screws are out of the lock. There are only two screws and they are on the side of the door. There are no screws on the front or the back of the door. The contractor changed the locks for me that night. We couldnt figure out why someone would remove those screws from the front door and decided that maybe they had been gone all along (I had changed all the locks 3 yrs. ago, but not that one as the handyman couldnt get it off. We figured he forgot to return the screws.) The police couldnt figure it out either. This current contractor also couldnt figure out how to take the lock off. Well, guess what I just found on the floor by the door...a screw to the lock. Why would someone remove the screws? Could they be planning to return? Could that even make a difference in getting in the house? The door was deadbolted shut when the robbers were here, so it had to be someone who had access to the house while the bolt was unlocked. Could they have just fallen out? The house was unoccupied for about 3 weeks, but the key was hidden for various contractors. I am a single 110 lb. female and not feeling too secure right now. My alarm remote also appears to be missing, which ADT is reprogramming and fixing tomorrow. About two weeks ago at 3 AM, a noise woke me up and I went downstairs...there was a shadow at the door window. I waited a few minutes, and then decided that I was crazy. This is such a safe neighborhood that no one should be at the FRONT door. I opened the front door, and the unlocked security door was wide open. Another night, I was waiting to pick someone up in the airport. I heard a noise and the motion detector light went on. I went outside and the back gate was wide open. I live in a very nice neighborhood. There have been no instances until I started remodeling.
I guess what I want to know is why are the screws missing? Could someone be planning to come back?
:( Am I freaking out? |
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RE: Double bolt lock question...home burgarized
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Sounds like someone knows your situation, possibly by way of the contractors/supplies working at your place. An inside job sounds likely. I would get protection & a dog. I would be nervous too. |
Here is a link that might be useful: protection for women
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Agree with the OP. I am also a single female homeowner. I take precautions around my house, but it is relatively easy to spot the only single female in a neighborhood of families. I also live in an upscale, low crime town. But if someone knows your situation, it makes you an easier target than breaking into a home where there is a man and kids, etc. First, this absolutely sounds like an inside job. I would change the locks immediately; do not leave a key outside anymore. A locksmith can usually change the tunblers in the door and rekey it without the expense of buying new locks. And, FYI, those screws missing from the locks absolutely make the door easier to break into (asked my handyman). There are other things you can do to make your home a little safer. Plant something stick and prickley outside windows where there is easy access to your house. Like rose bushes or holly bushes Hollys are pretty inexpensive, fyi. Also, another thing you can do is to go to the Goodwill and buy some men's items and leave them around: a pair of old men's sneakers or loafers outside the back door. Dry cleaner bag with mens shirt and pair of slacks left conveniently in the foyer or where workers go. Shaving cream and razor left in plain sight in the bathroom. Aftershave left out. You get the idea. I remember an incident after I bought my house: I work out of the house and was in my home office on 2 phones with a customer problem. Someone rang my front door bell repeatedly. I didn't answer, of course. The few neighbors I knew were aware that my office is in my home, and that I never answer the door during the day to socialize. Then I heard the person at the door, open the outside storm, and knock on the inside door. I was starting to get po'd but could not leave my phones. The person then opened my porch door, came onto my porch, and to the kitchen door. Again, knocking on the kitchen storm door, then the inside door!! Very insistent. Then it stopped. A few minutes later, I hear someone at the back door of my house (tiny house). They are banging on the storm door. Then the last straw. They open the storm door and are trying the handle on the inside door to see if it is locked, turning the handle! I literally am about 20' from this door, out of sight. To get to my back door, PS, they had to enter my fenced in and gated back yard. I finally got off the phone, and called all my neighbors. None of them had been at my house. If it were a friend of mine who stopped by, I would have heard from one of them. My car was in the driveway. I never figured out who was at the door, but it was someone attempting to get in, I am sure. It freaked me out, and my brother came and removed the lock from the back door, replacing it with a heavy deadbolt that has no knob at all. So my backdoor has to be opened with a key from both sides. I am happy there is no knob at all on the back door. Maybe an option for you as well. Get yourself a baseball bat (yard sales are great for this), a boat horn (incredibly loud), and some pepper spray. Have you thought about a dog? I have one, he's small, but is an super watchdog, with great hearing. You don't necessarily need a guard dog, but a dog barks when it hears something out of place and warns you. You might also ask the police to drive by more frequently. Finally, trust your gut instinct. Most women have good instinct about when things aren't right. Don't fight this instinct, learn to respect it. It does sound as if someone is watching you, so please be careful. |
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double piston deadbolts (keyed both sides) are a fire hazard for residential house IMO. If the place catches fire you cant get out because you gotta find the key. Get an alarm system (they have ones you can install yourself)or a dog. |
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| Or, teach the carpenter how to install the Reinforcement Plate with 3 inch screws that's included with a quality deadbolt like a Schlage. MOST of the lazy installers will toss the reinforcement plate and install just the strike plate. That's useless!! A child can kick that in. Michael |
Here is a link that might be useful: A secure deadbolt
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| Cerab, that is so scarey! Very good advice! I also thought of leaving a pair of large mens shoes outside the back patio french doors... I cant get a dog, although I would love to. I work 60+ hours a week, and my free animal time is spent with my two small parrots. It wouldnt be fair to get another animal...although I did consider leaving a sign on the ornery parrot's cage...Take the bird! Please! Thanks so much guys! I noticed the loose double bolt lock when I unlocked it to let the police in. Until this remodeling, I have had no troubles at all in the 3+yrs.that I have lived here, except for a drunk guy wandering in the back yard and trying to get into the patio doors. The alarm went off and I raced across the second floor to the top of the garage and got on the roof of the house! The police came and caught him and said that he was drunk and insisting my house was where he lived. Anyway, All the locks are changed except for the stupid double key lock. I agree that it is such a fire hazard! I used to keep a key in it at all times. But the locks are changed on the front security door instead, which I now religiously lock (I didnt used to, because I was afraid I would forget to unlock it in the am for the mail lady to drop my mail in the slot). The alarm is now on and working. This is an upscale neighborhood, but I back up to the alley. When I first moved in I used the garage door to get in/out of the house. I didnt know that someone had left the front door wide open until some neighbors came by! For 2 weeks it was wide open! Apparently a realtor or someone had not closed it. So, until this remodeling, I have felt perfectly safe. I do feel safer now that the alarm is back up and running and that the locks are changed. I think it is also an inside job. It was like they came in for the bike. I knew it to when I came home and saw the busted doors, that the bike would be gone. |
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| You may consider setting up a cheap surveillance system to capture *just* who is breaking in. I work in a library and have done such a thing using cheap usb cameras, old pc with software (gotcha is what we use)...you can even put in a cheap wireless camera. I bought this house a little less than a year ago and within a few months I was pretty sure someone was coming in my gated backyard while I was at work. After awhile I was pretty darn sure who it was (House seller had thrown in free termite service, but I have never had any contact with them as they never left any notes till much later). I put up a wireless camera but never setup the pc, yet it must have scared them because at that point I started getting the notes from the company ...it mentioned they were not inspecting the backyard. As of Friday they can't anyway as they were coming through the carport but it is now a garage. So from this point they will have to call and let me know they are coming. Maybe I am a bit too formal , but I like to know when folks are wandering around my backyard..folks I have never met! So that is a thought..even dummy cameras are better than nothing. And when your remodeling is over, change the locks-again. I have keypad entry and can issue temp numbers if it ever came to that. To the other poster, if it was a friend they certainly would have yelled "Hey Cindy it's me, beth".. etc) You should have called the police as no one should be doing that as it sounds like they were trying to scare you. |
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| With the "get a dog" advice: I am a convinced that a good dog can do wonders. If you get an actual guarding dog, then be prepared for work. Guarding dogs can be a handful and require careful handling and training so they don't become a nuisance (threatening guests, threatening you every time you walk by their food bowl, etc.). Small dogs are an amazing early warning system. The best are those that are good at alerting you to unusual sounds, but not yapping at everything. Your parrots are demanding, so you are probably right about avoiding the responsibilities of dog ownership. Wow! I want to know more about your bike! Was it titanium with all of the latest greatest components! I hope your thief appreciated it for what it was a not just as a bike. You are probably very safe where you are. You had a lot of people coming through and someone saw the bike... it was likely a crime of convenience... not a chronic neighborhood problem. Further, it was a burglary.. not a robbery... so it's more of a monetary rather than a true safety problem. If it makes you feel better, select a home security option. |
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| You're right about the small dogs, as well as the guard dogs. My little dog has an INCREDIBLE sense of hearing. He can be asleep in the living room with me, TV and A/C on, and suddenly awake from a dead sleep to alert me something is in the back yard, rooms and a hallway away. He just did this the other night, I went to the back door, and there was a small possum walking around near the door. He alerts me to any creature in the yard, be it a rabbit or his arch enemy: Bad Kitty from across the street. I will tell you, when he barks in the middle of the night (very rarely), I get nervous. The trick with a small dog is to not allow them to bark at nothing. Oh, and forget about a yorkie...they just bark because they can. A friend has 2 and they are truely the most annoying (but cute) dogs. I would lose my mind from all that endless yapping! |
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| Thanks so much for the responses! You all are terrific. I would love to get a dog, preferably a smaller dog, but there is a reason I have birds...I am allergic to most dogs. :( I break out in hives from their saliva. I LOVE dogs and want one so badly. I would love a big dog to run with and take on the trails, and a smaller dog to cuddle on my lap. I would get them at the pound. :( I am considering a surveillance camera in the backyard. I think the contractor can set one up for me. Also, maybe another motion detector along the wall of the house. The bike...it was a Titus Racer X - full XTR, new tubeless crossmax wheels. It was custom-welded to fit me by Titus. I used to race, and they offered me a pro contract and a good deal on the bike to race. Unfortunately (or fortunately), my career took precedence. I will replace it as I ride with a lot of people from work and I ride several days/nights a week. You all are right...it wasnt a personal act but a criminal act. My $5500 Giant Team TCR was sitting next to the Racer X, but they didnt take it. I think because I had the wheel off to fix it and it was too cumbersone to deal with. I also think they targeted the mtn. bike. I knew it when I walked in the house and saw the door...I knew the bike was gone. I have searched craigslist, etc. for it. Oh well, someday someone will get a nice little racer X. I wonder if they even know it is ti. I have the alarm system back up and running and I feel so much more secure now. My parrot Zeek copies the sound of the door beeping open. His species of parrot is known for their fire alarm calls, and I hope that he did his part in dissuading the burglar from taking more. The motion detector is working and the back gate is bolted. I am making the contractor and other workers come in the front door in front of all my nosy neighbors now and the back gate to the alley remains locked. Again thanks so much for your caring replies. :) |
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Glad to year you got things straightened out. Maybe YOU should put an ad on craigslist looking for a bike somewhat similar to yours and see if anyone responds back to you????? Just a thought. Oh, and if you have the alarm system activated, can't you change your code (by yourself)? Give a temporary code to the contractor, and change the code daily until the work is finished. Then you can set your own code for good without worrying who else wrote down the code and is planning to come back. |
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| Nothing to add, but wow, an $8000 bicycle??? I had no idea they had those. It must put my $79 Huffy to shame :( |
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You are not going to believe this, but I think I saw the burglar and he attempted to come back in daylight! This AM I was getting ready for work and at about 630 there was a caucasion male sitting on my 6 ft. block fence which borders the alley like he was getting ready to jump into my backyard/courtyard area. I think he saw me in the window, and I saw a teal green car SPEED away down the alley. I called the police. I am hoping we can match the guy's description to the a guy who worked for the contractor. He came over once to clean up the trash from the remodeling. The other house the contractor was working on was also burglarized about two days after mine. He thinks it was that guy but could not prove it. I hope the description matches up. I will know more later. What is odd is why would someone break into my house at that hour? |
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There is nothing more frightening than the thought of someone breaking into your house while you are in it. Sounds like this guy needs money badly, quickly. That says drugs to me; so be extra vigilant. You obviously have something he wants; maybe the other bike, who knows. Scary stuff. |
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Jennye, this might sound a bit drastic, but you might get a cheap shotgun for home protection. It doesn't even have to be loaded, either. Just aim it from the hip at the guy's crotch & he'll probably be glad to call the cops for you! Good luck however you go. Don |
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I'm buying a glock. If I ever see that man in my house, he is in serious trouble....I spoke with the contractor - it's not the same guy. That guy was a short hispanic male, this guy was a caucasion about 5'10". Apparently, he left his car running in the back alley and a neighbor became suspicious and called the police with a partial license plate no. I am sure he was scoping the place out to burgarlize it. Maybe he found out how much the bike was worth and was coming back for the other bike. I cannot tell you how mad I am about all this. Even the police seem suprised as this is such a nice neighborhood. jenny |
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No neighborhood is safe these days, unfortunately. My home was burglarized 8 times in two years: probably illegal aliens setting up housekeeping--I would come home from work to find no knives, forks, pots,pans, towels, jeans, etc. down to the alarm clock & of course anything small & valuable. The sheriff advised me to get a dog; said there was no way they would ever be able to prevent the crimes. I also had my wedding ring stolen by my handyman (I think). I wouldn't be surprised to learn that the criminal has some connection to the workers who have been in your home. Maybe the contractor is suspecting the wrong guy. Could you stand to borrow someone's dog for a while? Otherwise, get the camera up for sure. He may have thought you would be gone already by 0630 or might be able to sneak in somehow at that time. Be careful with that gun! He would be happy to steal that too, you know. |
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| Oh, I meant to say-- I solved my burglary problem by getting a cheap motion detector beam and attaching it to a loud outdoor horn--when the burglar crossed the beam, it turned on the horn and brought the neighbors. I guess the word got out to that I now had an alarm as I was never bothered again. (I lived next to a large flower growing operation which employed 99% illegals and was probably the source of the burglars. The owners were large landowners in the community and powerful, which I suspect was the real reason the sheriff could do nothing to help me) |
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| You might want to have a "fake" husband - refer to him in passing when talking to contractors. Name him whatever you want! Even though they may not see "him", they will think there is a man (or at least another person) living in the house. Your pseudo husband in combination with visible men's clothing/shoes laying around would really convince uninvited visitors. (In addition, and it's sad but true, you may get more respect/better work from sub's if they think a man is involved in the project). I have motion sensor lights as well as low voltage lighting around my perimeter. I believe any kind of lighting will deter a criminal - to an extent. I too have alley access - some trespassers have thought that it is A-OK to walk through my sideyards to get to my back alley! Needless to say, I am in the process of fencing the sideyards. |
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| Jen, please stop going outside to investigate at 3 in the morning. That was the part of your story that scared me most. I thought you received excellent advice from everyone. I live alone and appreciate it also. |
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| How about a fake dog? There are motion activated alarms that trigger a mean sounding dog barking. The police say that a dog is the best alarm system - but since you can't have one, these systems might be the answer. An example is linked below. |
Here is a link that might be useful: clicky
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| Thanks guys! You all are terrific. I will definitely implement these ideas to better secure the house. weed30, I will check into the fake dog! |
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| Not playing the detective here, but the fact that they took the expensive mountain bike shows they knew exactly what they were after. A break-in is, on average, around 5 minutes, and small valuables are the target of choice. Unless you know in advance what you're looking for, that 8K mountain bike looks like a $100 walmart bike, and it's waaaay to much hassle to carry. Sounds like an inside job. |
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| An idea I read somewhere on GW - sorry I cannot credit who - is to push the panic alarm on your car key fob to sound the car alarm - it might alert someone you need help, or at least the noise may scare an intruder. Our previous home was burglarized and we think my young son entered the house while they were inside. Dad was outside unloading the car. Very scary!! |
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| I would be just as worried about neighbors as the construction crew. Assuming you actually ride the bike, your neighbors are going to know it is there, as much as the crew. I for one am actually less at ease in upper crust neighborhoods, 'cause I've seen what bored rich kids can do. My in-laws were burglarized several times, and they lived in a very high-end gated community in Palm Springs. Turned out to be their next door neighbor's teen son, who had a little drub problem, caught by a surveillance camera. And speaking of that, we put up this sign at every job we have: "This Area Under Video Surveillance." We don't actually have any cameras there, but we've never had a break-in since we started using the sign. |
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| Weed30's comment reminded me of an old sitcom storyline - The Bob Newhart Show of the 70s - Carol felt the need to have a dog for an alarm, but wasn't allowed one in her apartment, so she had a cassette tape of a dog barking. Sounded like a big one, too. :-) It would have startled me away! DonnaR/CA |
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