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Ever had your foundation repaired?

Posted by belisarius (My Page) on
Thu, Jan 19, 06 at 13:06

We have a 30-year-old house, slab-on-grade, and the foundation is cracked. Based on sticky doors, one big crack in a wall that expands and contracts with the dryness of the soil, and some cracks in the floor--I'm fairly certain the foundation needs to be underpinned. Before I pop for a structural engineer, I was hoping to get some ballpark figures.

Has anyone here ever had to repair a slab foundation? If so,

1. How much was the engineer's inspection?

2. How much did the repair cost and how big was the slab?

3. What kind of repair did you have done? Cable? pre-stressed concrete pilings? steel pipe?

4. How long did it take?

5. How disruptive was the repair work?

6. How much (if any) repair work (new cracks, broken windows, cracked door jambs, broken tile) was made necessary by the underpinning?

Thanks.


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RE: Ever had your foundation repaired?

It maybe a lot cheaper to hire a house inspector to check your foundation and framing.
He/she will tell for sure what is damaged and may recommend who to bring in to repair your problem.
If your lucky it may turn out to be just water damge to your framing and not the fooundation.


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We haven't had ours repaired, but I did have a home inspector who is also a structural engineer come out to take a look at a similar problem. He took some pictures, made some measurements, and produced a pretty thorough report on the problem. He also listed some foundation repair companies in the area (I would hope that he didn't put any in there that weren't reliable). He listed two companies, one that used drilled concrete piers and one that used helical piers, but he didn't really express a preference between the two. I don't remember exactly what I paid but it was probably around $300-400. He specifically asked me if this was for a lawsuit or for a repair. By the time that I had him out, we had been in the house for a couple of years, so I wasn't thinking seriously about a lawsuit. I would be interested in seeing the difference between a "lawsuit-supporting report" vs a "repair-supporting report".

Since then, I have had a foundation repair company out to look at our foundation. This particular company used drilled piers, supposedly down at least 12 feet or until rock, whichever comes first. Depending on the situation, they will go deeper as he was describing a house that he had done recently where they had gone down 18 feet or more ( that house was on a slope ). The cost per pier is $800. There is some extra tacked on if concrete must be cut (such as a sidewalk or driveway) to gain access to the foundation. There is an extra fee if it is necessary to dig down more than 5 feet to get to the foundation itself.

The company offers a lifetime warranty. I don't know exactly what is covered, but I think that it is mainly for adjustments. The specifically state in the contract that complete closure of cracks is not guaranteed and they do not guarantee that there might be some cracking inside. The guarantee is against future movement of the foundation.

I live in northern Alabama and we have a good deal of expansive soils around here.

For one crack you probably don't need a lot of piers so your total cost would probably be less than our estimate of around $15000 for less than 20 piers. I don't remember the exact number of piers PLUS there was some extra cost for cutting into driveway. Generally, the piers are 8-10 feet apart.

Based on my estimate and the way that it was explained to me, if you have one crack, you can probably get away with 5 or 6 piers or less. However, it really depends on what they find.

Other companies in my area use helical piers and cable (Olshan). I don't know their prices.

Our toughest decision is whether or not to do the work. We actually have some very noticeable cracks that open every summer and close (mostly) in the winter. I feel like I was duped by the previous owner because apparently those cracks had been there forever, but he cosmetically fixed them before putting the house on the market. A year later, after a dry summer, two of them opened back up. My neighbor told me that the cracks had been there forever. Since then, two more cracks have appeared. The house is 30 years old, so I think that this has been going on for a long time, as opposed to some settling of a newly built house.

I think that we probably will do the work at some point, mainly because it can be an eyesore on the outside, as well as on the inside due to cracked drywall, stuck windows, stuck doors, etc. I would feel pretty bad trying to stick it to the next buyer by hiding the damage. I also think that the house would be harder to sell without the repair, if for no other reason, than I would not have bought had I noticed the cracks as the height of "cracking season".

A guy around the block had 25+ piers installed (20,000+). His house is in a rocky area, so the piers did not go down very far before hitting rock. It seemed like it took sort of a long time (6-8 weeks), at least partially because most of the digging had to be done by hand. Ordinarily, then can bring in some machinery to drill the hole.

This company advertises to a certain extent that the repair work is minimally disruptive (any foundation plantings are dug up and replanted when the work is finished. Not sure if there is a guarantee that the planting will live ). Other companies make a big deal about how then can be in and out in a short period of time and they specifically state that the work is not disruptive.

As far as damage due to the underpinning, I don't have much information. My impression is that they try to jack up enough to close up any exterior cracks. The other guy that had it done said it seemed like they did it to a certain extent by feel. He didn't mention anything about having any damage, but I don't think that it was jacked up a lot. The main idea is to stop the movement of the foundation. It seems to me like if a window breaks or a door jamb cracks that something has very unexpectedly gone awry. I would not think that kind of damage would be the norm, although I guess that it could happen.

If/when we have our foundation underpinned, I will probably wait at least two years ( two full crack/uncrack cycles ) before fixing any of our cracked brickwork. I would hate to fix it just to have it crack again. From what I understand, it is possible for the foundation repair company to come back later and do adjustments.

I have read that it is possible to minimize the movement of your foundation, if it is due to expansive soils, by watering around the foundation. Maybe this works, but it seems pretty iffy to me. How much do you water? How often? It probably wouldn't work well for us anyway as the sides of our hose where most of our cracks are located are bound by a concrete driveway.

I hope that some of that helped.


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How can i Get in Touch with edwardo, or whoever sales these helical piers for 800.00 I,m getting quotes for 1200.00 ea in Gadsden i need about 15....randall


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I have used Olshan Foundation Repair Company, and the warranty only says that they will jack up you home again as they see fit to do. I contracted with them in 1999 to do my entire home even though I was only having problems on one side of my home. Within 3 months of their work I began having problems on the other side and it has only gotten worst. I have posted a video on YouTube because after having some recent warranty work, I was very unhappy with the results and they have completely ignored two complaint letters that I have sent to their local office and corporate office in Texas. See for youself at the link I have attached or go to youtube.com and do a search on Olshan or Nolan Ryan. I am going to try a third letter with a copies to the BBB and the consumer office of our State Attorney General. I know of others you have similar concerns.

Here is a link that might be useful: YouTube.com


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It is common for foundations to crack when the soil dries out, leaving portions of the slab unsupported. If the cracks are small, and stable, homeowners generally decide to leave well enough alone, and simply learn to live with the problem. I can't help but wonder if you might be able to manage the problem by watering your yard, when it gets dry, and keeping the soil under your house somewhat hydrated.


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Hi belisarius, I am the Operations Manager for a company that does foundation repair. Shoot me an email if you want to know who we are and where we are. As far as your questions, Edwardo did a good job answering some of them. I train franchises all over the country to do foundation repair, so all prices are ballpark, but should be in the neighborhood. An engineer should run you around $500. One reason for getting an engineer that most people don't think of, is he assumes some of the responsibility if there is a problem with the job, instead of it all falling on the contractor. If he says to use piers, he should also tell you the spacing required and how many. I have repaired an addition on a house using concrete leveling (mudjacking) instead of piering, but it was a shallow footer and slab home, but it can be done at quite a savings over piering. My opinion would be to stay away from the cable guys (email me for stories). Push piers or helicals are the way to go. Very seldom do you only have one crack, it's always at least two, and say you were to have 6 piers installed, it should be 3 days or so depending on excavation. Disruption should be minimal under normal circumstances, but the ground will get beat up pretty good. Ballpark price for piers will be around $1000 each. Add in excavation and landscaping. Then tuckpointing on the brickwork. Also reworking the footer drains and waterproofing. Hope this helps.


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Many--not all... basement walls can crack, leak, bow inward due to Outside SOIL pressure and tree roots

Doing any kind of piering,wall anchoring,beams etc and NOT excavating the basement wall(s), Not waterproofing it and Not backfilling it with all gravel is/will be a big mistake for many homeowners.

read --Basement Walls, most successful REPAIR Mehtod, see what they tell you

http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/dpwes/publications/marineclay.htm#2

read --DIAGNOSING The PROBLEM

http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/dpwes/publications/marineclay.htm#4

read 6th Paragraph here....
http://www.yodergroup.com/concrete.asp

here`s some more.... what Many INSIDE water-diverting companies don`t know or want YOU to know, talking about those who Only-Rather do Inside perimeter drain tile & Baseboard systems...Watch out!!!

Nobody on this planet can stop/relieve/lessen Outside-soil-pressure with any inside system, you have to go Outside and get rid of the.. CAUSE(s)!!! Carbon straps,beams,piering,anchoring etc....while a couple of these 'may' help hold a PART of wall in-place (or support from underneath) they do NOT relieve expanding and contracting Soil pressure or roots! Exterior is BEST choice for MOST!

http://www.askthebuilder.com/015_Exterior_Foundation_Wall_Waterproofing.shtml

http://www.askthebuilder.com/NH058_-_Waterproofing_Foundations.shtml

--WET Basements, Q 1 and 5 esp... what do THEY tell you about what is PREFERRED Method for dealing with damp-leaky basements? Yeaah, its NOT from the Inside

http://www.shakeronline.com/dept/building/FAQ.asp

read this article, see what SOILS are Best, see COMPACTION, and check out..Careful on the construction Site

http://www.bobvila.com/HowTo_Library/Why_Foundations_Fail-Foundation-A2095.html


http://www.ottawastructural.com/treesfoundations.htm


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I used Williams Structural in Raleigh. I had quite a few estimates, and they were the most affordable (and the most professional) in my opinion

Here is a link that might be useful: Williams Structural


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