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| I am converting the bonus room over my detached garage into an apartment. Extended dormers are being added on the east and west sides.
I've read that this apartment has the potential for huge utility bills if it is not insulated and sealed properly. I've asked the builder to air-seal the room as well as use a radiant barrier. I can see that the contractor is using thermoshield for the roofing but doesn't appear to be using it for the walls. Should I request a radiant barrier be added to the walls? I'm considering asking for spray foam insulation instead of fiberglass but have been told that it is 3 times the cost of fiberglass. Is there a compromise that perhaps a combination of spray foam and fiberglass could minimize my utility bills without costing an arm and a leg? For example, a 1 inch layer of foam AND fiberglass batting or foam for the garage and apartment ceiling and fiberglass for the walls? |
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- Posted by amazinglady2348 (My Page) on Sat, Aug 11, 12 at 0:07
| BTW, we are located in Texas and our biggest concern is the cooling cost. |
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- Posted by energy_rater_la (My Page) on Sun, Aug 12, 12 at 12:26
| I've never came across a foam company that did flash & batt. why make minimal $ for a 1" install when they can move on to next customer and sell full job? they may do it for production builders...but not the average homeowner. you know the frog is going to be expensive to are the walls shared with attic space? install open cell foam to meet code requirements. foam should cover roof area to eaves. an airtight you could RB the roof, but then you would have to lots of labor and high chances of it not being done foam is an easy out. labor to install foil/foam sheathing here in La. we have the same concerns. cooling climate shop around for foam companies, and a/c companies that personally I have a RB I installed myself. no best of luck. |
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- Posted by amazinglady2348 (My Page) on Sun, Aug 12, 12 at 15:49
| Ok, you've convinced me of the benefits of foam insulation. You said open cell instead of closed. Is that what's best for humid and hot region? Closed cell not appropriate? Also, my contractor says that the framer company air seals the places where walls meet floors and ceilings because of code. Is this the type of air sealing necessary for a frog? If not, foam insulation will seal it sufficiently correct? One more question, you said the foam should be on the roof deck, the attic floor and where they join? Thank you so much for your help! It's so hard to know how proactive to be - kind of like working with the medical community. |
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- Posted by energy_rater_la (My Page) on Mon, Aug 13, 12 at 11:24
| your humidity may not be as big of an issue in Texas as it is here in La. @ 10 am it is 91 degrees and 74% RH we had rain yesterday and last night so it is like a sauna outside. of course inside..74 degrees & 52%RH. RH is dropping already, usually 50% RH is the norm. here is a link to my pics online of foam installs http://www.slickpic.com/s/NNzDxGNIUxgNzZ/OpenCellUnventedAttic/photo#2 85993 framers frame, builders don't always tell the truth. yes, where the roof deck connects to the attic floor why open cell vs closed cell? and make sure that ducts/plenums & plenum to equipment manual j for sizing hvac, also manuals for duct sizing best of luck. best of luck. |
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- Posted by amazinglady2348 (My Page) on Mon, Aug 13, 12 at 15:42
| Thank you so much for the information! One problem with foam insulation in the attic is that the roof deck is that techshield with the radiant barrier foil on the underside. I'm told that radiant barriers are not effective unless without an air pocket/flow. I could still do foam on the attic floor, garage ceiling and walls, though. How do you handle that situation when there is a radiant barrier on the roof deck? |
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- Posted by Renovator8 (My Page) on Sat, Aug 18, 12 at 10:04
| Seeing design concepts reduced to contractor jargon like FROG saddens me for some reason. Probably time to retire and criticize the government full time. |
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- Posted by energy_rater_la (My Page) on Sat, Aug 18, 12 at 21:49
| in a frog (sorry renovator 8) I'd sacrifice the rb for the foamed roofline. these rooms are hard to condition. I'm a try different things to see how they work once we even installed baffles over the entire so based on my experiences, encapsulate the frog the acronym frog is kinda offputting, but explains best of luck. |
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| Also consider more simple things, such as thermal window with shades. These make a difference on reducing the solar gain. East and West windows do add the most to a cooling load. Have you considered for the HVAC to use a minisplit heat pump like a Daikin? These have some advantages. One is that you don' t need to worry about the duct size being too small, a classic way that corners are cut at build time on those rooms over the garage. Secondly they offer a very high SEER. Thirdly they wold be an independent system from the house proper, allowing more local temperature control of the space. |
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