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Blown Fiberglass or Cellulose

kenmichelle
9 years ago

We are having a new roof put on next month. It is currently the original 1978 roof of spanish tile with no decking or paper. We are going with lightweight concrete tile with plywood decking and double underlayment. At the same time we are having them take out the old blown-in insulation and blow in new insulation to R38. The roofing company blows in Owens Corning AttiCat fiberglass insulation. Any opinions on this product?

I was leaning towards blown-in cellulose because there are suppose to be less health issues compared to fiberglass. In the future I will also need to do some work in the attic putting in a couple of ceiling fans and running some electrical wires so I didn't want to go digging through a bunch of scratchy, itchy fiberglass. However, in the showroom they have a display of the AttiCat insulation and it looks like pink cellulose. I picked it up in my bare hands and rubbed it on my arms and there was no discomfort afterwards.

So is the AttiCat blown-in insulation a different animal than the blown-in fiberglass insulation I've read about? Should I get someone else that uses cellulose to blow in the attic insulation?

Thanks.

Comments (4)

  • worthy
    9 years ago

    In a cold climate, without an appropriate cover cloth, blown-in fiberglass can lose up to half its R Value. Consequently, I have only used blown cellulose in attics.

  • energy_rater_la
    9 years ago

    and in my hot humid climate...LOL!

    you shouldn't have to remove existing insulation
    to blow more on top. insulation doesn't go bad.

    what you should do...in any climate..
    is to air seal between house & attic @
    ceiling/attic floor...before adding more insulation.
    not only will this reduce air infiltration, but it will
    improve both comfort & air quality.

    check areas where ducts & bath fans opeings
    in ceiling. by removing supply grill & bath fan
    cover, you can see the oversized cut made in
    sheetrock for install.
    buy some Hardcast brand 1402 mastic tape,
    use it to seal between sheetrock & supply box/housing.

    I'll attach a pic of a supply box sealed this way.

    recessed lights are a leakage sites...IC housing
    has holes in housing & cut for recessed light in
    the sheetrock ceiling has the same issue as above.
    to seal these cuts...same thing...drop trim use mastic
    tape..
    you can address the leakage in housing by installing
    air tight insert baffles. these also install from inside
    the house.
    or you can put a box over each one in the attic & caulk
    it to the attic floor..box must have 4" clearance on sides
    & top.

    attic accesses are leaky.

    once you stop the airflow through the insulation from
    attic into the house, then the insulation performs at its
    R-value. air moving through insulation not only robs the
    insulation of R-value..but as it filters the air through the insulation
    it brings into the house insulation particles, dust, attic temps
    and here humidity.

    address these issues first.
    then..if you have ductwork in the attic...mastic seal it.

    when all work in attic is done..then blow insulation.

    hold off on insulation...until all your work is done.
    otherwise you'll compress the insulation..and it will
    be harder to see where your ceiling joists are...making
    it easy to step wrong.

    I'm not a fan of cellulose..but its a personal rather than
    professional thing. while cellulose is a good product,
    the ground newspaper produces a fine 'dust'.
    this dust enters the house via the areas listed above
    (and others)..I've had many homeowner complaints
    about dust...then find out about asthma..allergies.
    creating the air barrier at the ceiling attic floor is
    very important.
    and as briefly alluded to above..sealing ductwork etc.

    its pretty rare to see 'itchy' blown fg. maybe in tract
    housing..in my area.

    just curious...what reason does roofing company
    want to change insulation?
    it doesn't make sense...to remove & replace insulation
    unless it is wet.
    this is kinda a red flag for me without more info.

    and Worthy...
    what kind of cloth is used on top of blown insulation
    in your area? like the netting used for BIB's?

    best of luck OP!

  • kenmichelle
    Original Author
    9 years ago

    Thanks for the detailed response. I never thought about sealing the around the heating ducts and bathroom fans. I'll look for the Hardcast 1402 tape and do that before the job gets started. We are also having a few Solatubes installed at the same time so I'll make sure those ceiling fixtures are sealed.

    I need to take out the old 4' fluorescent lights in the kitchen and replace them with recessed lights. I definitely need to do that before the insulation gets blown in. Isn't there suppose to be no insulation on top of recessed lights because of possible fire hazard?

    We are the ones insisting on removing the old insulation. I have found some old evidence of rodent activity in the attic. That problem has been taken care of but I want to get the old stuff out before the new stuff goes in.

    I have never seen any cloth put over insulation and the roofer didn't mention it. Maybe it's not needed in the San Jose, CA area? The temps do drop down into the 20's in winter and go over 100 in summer. Is it used to keep the insulation in place or is it used as a radiant barrier?

  • energy_rater_la
    9 years ago

    you'll have to get the hardcast 1402 at hvac supply
    or online. it is great stuff that works & lasts like
    no other tape I've used in my 15 years of
    efficiency.
    it may be that your hvac co can get it for you.
    my cost is about $25 per roll with tax.

    removal of insulation is a personal thing...
    but with a good air barrier between rodent
    activity insulation & living space below...it
    isn't an issue...
    here $1.00 per sq ft is removal charge..and
    they don't do a good job, homeowner often
    has to shop vac out feces & missed insulation.

    when you replace the lights with recessed lights...
    purchase ICAT. insulation contact air tight.
    then you have only the cut in the ceiling to seal.

    here is the pic I forgot to attach.
    & radiant barriers on attic floor..gather dust &
    lose reflectivity. the correct install is attached
    to rafters with foil facing into the attic space.
    the cloth would be used to keep the insulation
    from blowing around..or that is what I think.

    best of luck.