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WHEN SELLERS WON'T BUDGE

Unrealistic expectations inflate asking prices and give agents a sinking feeling

Julie Clairmont, Special to The Chronicle

Sunday, December 3, 2006

Ask any real estate agent worth her lockbox key to identify the No. 1 reason houses sit on the market. Her likely answer: The sellers want too much for them.

Almost any house will sell if it's priced right, agents routinely preach. But in today's market overpriced houses are increasingly common as supply continues to outweigh demand and would-be sellers balk when told that their house may not be worth as much as it was six months ago.

These anchors on the market ultimately hurt the seller's bottom line, agents say. "When you come on too high, and your property sits on the market with no activity, it gets stigmatized," said Aldo Congi, vice president and managing broker at McGuire Real Estate in San Francisco. "The first thing every buyer asks is: 'How long has it been on the market?' "

If the answer is more than six weeks, another predictable line of questioning follows, he says: "They start to ask: What's wrong with it? Is it just overpriced? Or are there other issues?"

And that's where the problems begin. There's a momentum to selling a home, agents say.

Like a debutante at her first ball, a house is most intriguing when it hits the market, but let it languish too long and buyers become fickle suitors. "A property that is priced appropriately just doesn't sit on the market for six months," Congi said.

Pricing a house correctly is so integral to its sale that most brokers hammer pricing strategy into their new agents' heads. Almost all listing presentations for sellers include some sort of ominous graph charting the dismal future of an overpriced house, with an arrow heading further south for each week a house stays isn't sold.

Hitting that perfect price point is so important, it's a large part of Congi's job to make sure agents aren't overpricing listings. He spends a lot of his time previewing the market competition, and consults regularly with agents in his office who want a second opinion on how to price a listing.

"The old adage that you can use sales comparables from up to three months ago is lost in this transitional market," Congi said. "We really need to get sales comparables from properties that are in escrow within the last 30 days."

While the data and forecasts vary slightly depending upon which agency generates it, it all indicates the housing market is cooling significantly.

"The Bay Area is experiencing the same thing that is happening around the country: a sharp, steady deceleration in appreciation," said Patrick Lawler, chief economist for the Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight.

The latest numbers released last week by the California Association of Realtors show sales activity in the Bay Area increased 2.4 percent in August from the previous month, but year over year that number is down 13.8 percent.

Nationally, existing home sales are expected to fall 8.6 percent this year, and are projected to even out in 2007 with a 0.6 percent decline, according to the National Association of Realtors.

"Given the huge gains in home values during the housing boom, and this year's rise in housing inventory, overall price gains this year and next will be modest," said David Lereah, the association's chief economist, in an October press release.

Congi reports that his office's sales are down 30 percent from last year, with the average time on the market about 30 days. Most offers that come in are under the asking price, and multiple offers are now isolated incidences. "It's more common for a house to sell under the asking price in this market," Congi said.

In Contra Costa County, there are roughly twice as many active listings on the multiple listing service as there were last year at this time, says California Association of Realtors President Larry Spiteri, manager of Intero Real Estate Services in Danville.

Still, getting sellers to realize that their home is not worth what it used to be poses a challenge for even the most seasoned agents. "It's very difficult to go in (to a listing presentation) and say: 'Look, just because the house down the street sold for X amount six months ago, it doesn't mean your house is going to sell for that now,' " Spiteri said.

"And it's hard for sellers because they feel like they're leaving money on the table, like they're giving their money away."

Adding to the challenge, agents say, is a common misconception among sellers that agents control the price of homes. "We try to sell the house for the highest price possible, but we don't control the market, buyers do," Spiteri said.

"Pricing a home is both art and science. The science part is using statistical data like appraisers use, such as price per square foot and recent sales comparables, the art means we have to look at all the variables and dynamics out there," Spiteri said, "everything from interest rates, to how many new homes are being built in an area, to where the buyers are coming from."

Another misconception sellers have is thinking that their home's improvements and amenities mean it will sell at last year's prices. "If your house is in really good condition, you should actually price it a little bit less than the other houses on the market, then it will probably sell fairly quickly," Spiteri said.

Shelly Moore, who just sold her Walnut Creek home, fell into this thought process. "We bought it during a bidding war, so at first it was pretty hard for us to swallow," says Moore. "We had a new kitchen and hardwood floors, and we were comparing our features to those of houses on the market. But our agent reminded us that those houses weren't sold."

The Moores are a success story. They put their home on the market at $1.15 million, and received an offer within a week, albeit, a low one. The offer came in at about 25 percent under asking price, but their agent was able to negotiate it up to $1.125 million. But getting there was a little nerve-racking, Moore said. "It took us about six weeks to get our house ready for the market, and we could see the home prices going down."

"A lot of homes show beautifully, and are marketed correctly, but they're not priced right," said Moore's agent, Julie Dudum of Empire Realty Associates in Walnut Creek. "I don't care if you have the Goodyear Blimp over your house, if it's overpriced, it's not going to sell."

Dudum recommends pricing homes 10 to 12 percent under the most recent and relative sales comparables. "People think that's extreme at first, but in a market where you can't drive down the street without seeing 8 to 10 for-sale signs, you have to stay ahead of the curve."

If a seller is adamant about pricing their house too high, Dudum strikes a deal: She gives them 16 days on the market at their price, but if no offer comes in, the seller promises to reduce the price to even lower than her original suggested price. "Because now we have to get ahead of the curve again," she says.

One of the reasons houses don't get priced correctly is that some agents have a problem taking the reins, Dudum said.

"I tell clients: Look, it's my time and advertising dollars, and your emotions we're investing here. I don't tell a dentist which tooth to pull, so if you're going to hire me, trust me."

Sellers often mistakenly believe they can price their house anywhere and someone will bring them an offer, based on what they feel its worth, agents say, but that's not the case.

"You need to be priced at a level where you spur a buyer to action, but not purposely underpriced," said McGuire's Congi. "Then you risk scaring people away, because they think you're trying to start a bidding war."

Even when an agent makes every effort to price a home correctly, the market can shift suddenly or four more houses pop up for sale on the same street, and an agent then has the unenviable job of recommending a price reduction.

"Difficult as it may be, you have to knock on their door and do it," said Dudum, the Walnut Creek agent. "It's a horrible conversation that no agent wants to have."

If a seller must cut the price, there's a strategy for that too, Congi said. "Just like you only have once chance to make a splash as a new listing on the market, and you only get one chance to get noticed with a price reduction."

Congi recommends the 10 percent rule. "The general logic is that if the house has been on the market for four to six weeks without an offer, you can rest assured your are about 10 percent over the value. If you reduce the price on your house by bits and pieces, you get stale."

In this buyer's market, certain houses will still sell within a week or so, but it usually takes having the "full package," Dudum said, "how the house shows, staging, a full-blown marketing campaign and the right price."

There are a few micro-markets left in San Francisco where activity is still brisk, Congi said. Among these are Pacific Heights, Jordan Park, the Marina District. Houses that are redone and don't have significant defects are selling more quickly.

But for now, the norm seems to be a plethora of "reduced price" riders on for-sale signs, ads screaming "Motivated Seller!" and agents lining up to announce their latest price reductions at weekly staff meetings.

The agents say don't blame them. "The last thing any agent wants is an overpriced property that sits on the market," Congi said. "All you end up with is a big advertising bill and a signed withdrawal form from your seller."

Julie Clairmont is a part-time real estate agent in Contra Costa County. Comment at realestate@sfchronicle.com.

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Comments (15)

  • trying2buy
    17 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Great article - I agree except that I think pricing 10% under comparable sales (at least in our area) might prompt a bidding war even now unless the house had location issues. A retired real estate agent that I am friendly with said she often suggested her sellers price 5% under comparables - 5% less than what the sellers would accept and she had great success with that strategy if the sellers wanted to sell quickly.

    We recently made an offer that was 7% more than the sellers paid for the house 12 months ago (with the one improvement being painting- although we would want to change several of the colors) and their response was to come down less than 1% in their asking price. We probably would have countered a little higher still, but got a bit insulted by their "non-counter". We are unsure how to even respond to this type of counter offer - except to walk away. House has been on the market for 6 months and our offer had no contingincies whatsoever...as buyers we really felt they were not budging but perhaps they are not serious about selling unless they can make a substantial profit.

  • drcindy
    17 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    That was a great article. I grew up in Contra Costa County and still have lots of friends and family there, so it's interesting to hear about the latest trends. The article also explained why one friend's home didn't sell in 6 months....

  • minet
    17 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Sometimes sellers are just testing the market. Doesn't cost them anything and if they find a buyer who's willing to pay their price, then they'll take it. Otherwise they're willing to wait it out for months or even years. If they don't need the money now, why not wait for the market to rebound?

    Even in a buyer's market, not all sellers are *needing* to lower their price. Buyers have to realize that, too. At some houses the buyer will have the upper hand but not at all houses.

  • talley_sue_nyc
    17 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    tring2buy, are you basing your offer on the market now, or only on what they paid for it a year ago?

    I agree that knowing what someone paid for a house might give you an idea of what their reaction to your bid might be, but it's not everything. A 7% rise in a year is actually pretty good as an overall average, but in your area, what has happened to real estate prices in that year? and what have other homes sold for?

  • talley_sue_nyc
    17 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    also remember, as you gauge their reaction, that they'll pay 5% or 6% in realtor fees. Add any points, repainting expenses, etc., and they are LOSING money. They may not be looking for a "substantial" profit, so much as any profit at all.

  • brickeyee
    17 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Always keep in mind that of no sale occurs the RE agents go hungry.

    "'In this buyer's market, certain houses will still sell within a week or so, but it usually takes having the 'full package,' Dudum said, 'how the house shows, staging, a full-blown marketing campaign and the right price.'"

    Maybe some agent are havint to work a little harder for a commision and do not like it?

  • mary_md7
    17 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    "If a seller is adamant about pricing their house too high, Dudum strikes a deal: She gives them 16 days on the market at their price, but if no offer comes in, the seller promises to reduce the price to even lower than her original suggested price. "

    Well, she's a bit of a martinet, huh? Frankly, I wouldn't sign with an agent that imposed such restrictions. On the other hand, I'm not inclined to be unrealistic about the market, either.

  • jay06
    17 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    "Martinet" is a good word to describe agent Dudum, marymd (and I can think of a few others!). If an agent tried to strike a "deal" like that with me, I'd show her the door and tell her to take her complimentary 2007 calendar and refrigerator magnet with her!

  • jakkom
    17 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    You might call her a martinet, but it's better than wasting her time trying to sell an overpriced house. I would imagine there's nothing more frustrating than seeing a house you could easily sell if it were only priced appropriately. There's very little point in using a good realtor if you can't be bothered to take their advice; you might as well use the We-Help-U-Sell discount realtors.

  • jay06
    17 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    She gives them 16 days before putting the screws to her clients? C'mon!

  • trying2buy
    17 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Talleysue,
    We were basing our offer based on fair market value - nothing has sold in this particular development in the last few years - our offer was apparently 90% of appraised value. Houses in a similar development with similar amenities are selling at or below the price we offered currently. We also had offered to pay transfer taxes on the sellers behalf as well. With commission at 4%, we calculated that the sellers would make about 30,000 in the one year after painting expenses. We think, although unsure that the sellers are looking to make $100,000 on the year (which would be about a 12% increase when the market has dropped about 5% in this area). The house has some issues with the lot and the interior (not minor issues in terms of expense) and these issues were not addressed by the sellers before listing (ok with us, but if we need to address we do not want to overpay if we have to go in and fix these things at some point.) We had our agent go back to see if the sellers would come down at bit more or just cut to the chase and come down to their bottom line or close to it (and perhaps we would come up higher again) so we will see. Just think the $100K profit in one year is a bit over the top - we would pay it had they addressed one or two of the issues but they did not (and this is after re agent commission....) The house has been on the market about 6 months with (as far as we know)with no offers, but apparently some interested parties that have a house to sell first. We also are quite flexible on our closing date and did not put in a home sale (or any) contingency. Not easy...

  • dreamgarden
    17 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    I agree with what minet says. They might just be testing the market.

    Perhaps you could talk to the neighbors. See if they have any information. At least it will give you an idea what kind of people you'd be living near.

  • brickeyee
    17 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    "We were basing our offer based on fair market value - nothing has sold in this particular development in the last few years "

    So how did you decide on fair market value? It gets hard with no comps.

    "our offer was apparently 90% of appraised value."

    Appraised value for what purpose? Taxes?
    Tax assessments always lag behind sales.
    An actual loan appraisal?
    Based on what? There are no comps "nothing has sold in this particular development in the last few years"

    "Houses in a similar development with similar amenities are selling at or below the price we offered currently."

    Similar is not the same. Location, location, location.
    How similar? Same schools? Same Âside of the highwayÂ?

    "With commission at 4%, we calculated that the sellers would make about 30,000 in the one year after painting expenses. We think, although unsure that the sellers are looking to make $100,000 on the year (which would be about a 12% increase when the market has dropped about 5% in this area)."

    The only thing that has anything to do with process is the "the market has dropped about 5% in this area." And Âarea can be a vague thing. In the Washington, DC metro market sales are dead in some areas and flat in some. Some areas will probably end up going down but the latest overall market assessment in the news is ~10% increase.
    Is this market up or down? Location, location,, location.

    "Just think the $100K profit in one year is a bit over the top"

    This has nothing to do with value and is your personal opinion (and may not even be warranted).
    I have purchased some pretty cruddy places and sold them in 3-4 months for more than $200,000 over acquisition cost. I hit the major problems and left the minor ones to the buyers. If I fixed them all the price would go up another $100,000 and be too high for the location.
    Was I "over the top" for taking on the risk?

    The house may indeed be overpriced, but in an area with very few sales it can get very hard to tell.
    Are you looking for a quick profit or a long term residence?
    No one wants to overpay, but I have not seen any hard evidence the price is excessive yet. CMAs get very fuzzy without recent comps. I have purchased in places way over the previous sales if they are dated. I have also been caught a few times and had to hold longer than anticipated (most of the time from unforeseen problems).
    It is seldom simple or cut-and-dried without good comps.

  • dabunch
    17 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Sometimes sellers don't have 10% to give. Not all properties appreciated 25% a year. Not all homes are overpriced. People are reading about lowballing & think that IT applies to every area. I can see how offering 100k less in some parts of Cali wouldn't even be considered lowballing.

    In my town( in the NE) THAT would be an insult. My house appreciated a bit over 4% a year. That's hardly a killing!If someone would offer me anything lower than 560k, I would be insulted. I'm underpriced, so I don't fall into the "let's lowball this house because it's overpriced", category.

    Some homes get the general stigma of "properties are priced too high", because most of the other properties are priced too high. However, properties don't move as readily in certain price ranges and the time of the year is a factor, too. Around here, starter homes are still selling like hotcakes! The toughest sell in my town is 450k-650k.

    There is a home on a BUSY street 2 blocks from mine asking 689k. I'm asking 570k for a house in a neighborhood and 500sqft larger than that house. NOBODY is complaining about my price, yet I have no offers. Homes my size go for 600k-650k.

    I had someone calling a couple of times & asking if the price had been reduced, cuz he's interested. He has NOT seen the inside of the house. He doesn't know if the house is worth the price, he just wants to spend a certain amount & get a BIG beautiful home in a desirable town. Go figure...
    I think people are reading about prices falling & want a deal, no matter if the house is priced right or not. If a builder built my home today, it would cost 75-100k more. That's what I've been told.
    Bottom line: sometimes it is the price why homes sit. Other times, the media has a lot to do whether the RE market is robust or not. Especially, when there is nothing wrong with the region's economy. Buyers are spooked when they are about to spend a large amount of money & the media is not helping them to get over their fears.

  • sweet_tea
    17 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    "We think, although unsure that the sellers are looking to make $100,000 on the year (which would be about a 12% increase when the market has dropped about 5% in this area."

    What if the sellers bought this place for a real great price and did not buy it at market price last year?

    Also, just because the "mean" of all homes sold in that area has gone down by 5% this year compared to last, it doesn't indicate that that particular home has to drop 5% in value from the exact price that the owners paid for it 1 year ago. Instead, it means that folks bought cheaper homes, in general, this year over last.

    Also, the value in painting a home can often increase the value of the property much more than the cost of the paint and the cost of labor - especially if prior paint was a terrible color or in lousy condition.