Shop Products
Houzz Logo Print
kjdnns

Inspection Question

kjdnns
10 years ago

I'm a first time seller and a bit anxious about the home inspection by buyers. My home is 24 years old and the roof is original with a asphalt shingle with a 30 year warranty. We have taken care of it, replacing flashings, and loose shingles,ect. over the years. It is not leaking or showing any signs that it has been leaking. The inspector said it is near the end of it's life (and that the buyer should start planning on replacing it) and the roofer we use for regular maintenance agrees it's near the of its life but says that we could get 2 - 3 more years out of it.

So my question is if the roof is not leaking just old (and the age is in the disclosure statement) can the buyers ask use to replace it and are we being unreasonable if we say no. I'm leaning towards offering some consideration for a new roof but I don't think we should pay for all of it since there is still life left in the roof. Just FYI we got estimates to replace the whole thing and they are in the $8000-10000 range depending on how fancy a shingle we choose. Any advice is appreciated. Thanks.

Comments (12)

  • kjdnns
    Original Author
    10 years ago

    I should also say we have just put in about $15,000 to update the kitchen and install new carpet because homes in our area sell at a big discount if the kitchen isn't updated. I really don't want to put more serious money into a home we are selling but I am a motivated seller.

  • ncrealestateguy
    10 years ago

    All is negotiable...

  • rafor
    10 years ago

    The problem you may face is not your buyers but their bank. Most banks want 5 years on a roof, so yours is butting up against that.

    But as the other poster said: all is negotiable.

    Did you price the house with the old roof in mind? Not that that will matter to some buyers. They will still try to knock it off the price.

  • Kelly
    10 years ago

    There's a lot of nervousness in my area about roofs being uninsurable. I've heard of a few deals falling apart similar to your situation (no leaks or damage, but noted on the inspection because needs attention). Not sure why its a hot button these days, but ask your realtor if this is happening in your area. If it is you may want to get it replaced so a deal doesn't fall thru.

  • jonw9
    10 years ago

    If you disclosed the age of the roof, I would not be too worried. They could come back and ask, you would have the right to refuse.

    If their bank requires it, I don't know if there are any ways to negotiate you replacing but they pay for it (increased price?)

    In my case, I was told there were 10 year on a 50 year shingle. Come to find out they were about 15 years old, faulty, and failing. The seller began to play games and we walked on the deal.

  • Linda
    10 years ago

    Banks have nothing to do with the inspection process of the home unless its a va or FHA loan. FHA requires 3 years of life. What type of mortgage are your buyers going for? You are not required to do anything. The inspection if for the buyers to learn u the workings of the house. Too many buyers nc their agents have decided it is a second round of negotiation.

  • c9pilot
    10 years ago

    As a buyer, I would not ask for you to replace the roof, but instead ask for some sort of concession if the roof was not insurable (you would not be able to insure this roof in Florida) and get the roof I want, not the low-cost, poor-quality roof that a cheap seller might get put on. Funding can all be handled in escrow.

    However, as a seller, I think, this buyer knew from my disclosure how old this roof is, and should have made an opening offer based on that. If THEIR inspector says it has only "xx years" of life left on it, and that affects their ability to get a mortgage or insurance, then you will have to take some action to hold the contract together. If that doesn't happen, technically the roof has "passed" inspection, and that is all that is required from you. They can ask all they want, but you are under no obligation to comply. They should not be able to use "passed" items to back out with an inspection contigency.
    However, you may be competing with properties that have newer roofs and if you are in a languishing market, that will put you at a disadvantage.

    This is nearly exactly what happened to my in-laws. The septic passed, but the inspector made a passing comment to the buyers that septic systems only last about (something like) 30 years and this was a 25-year-old septic system and would need to be replaced in 5 years. So the buyers asked for the septic system to be replaced to the tune of $6-7K. My in-laws were nearly in tears after having made so many concessions already, this was going to break the deal. I reminded them about inspections and contingencies and the contract and how it's all supposed to work (which their agent should have been doing), so they had their agent ask the buyers to send the problematic paperwork to their lawyer.
    (1) there was no paperwork, because it was a verbal comment (2) they were bluffing because they didn't even have a lawyer (3) it worked, and they closed a few days later

  • Tony2Toes
    10 years ago

    As others have said, unless its a VA or FHA loan, the age of the roof isn't likely to come up to the bank. The appraiser will certainly note it and likely ding your appraisal value as a result. And when the new buyers try to get homeowners insurance (which they will be required to do as a condition of close), many underwriters may either flat out refuse to insure the home or do so at highly inflated rates due to the useful age of the roof. Insurance companies have been really beat up with roof claims int he last several years if you've been following the news so they are far more stringent now than they were. I've had one agent refuse to re-insure my home after having it with them for over 8 years, without a single claim, simply due to the advanced age of the roof.

    All is negotiable, but some things are unavoidable. If I were you, I'd be considering a concession to the asking price due at closing to replace the roof. But even with that tactic, your buyers may still have difficulty getting a loan approved due to issues with HO insurance.

    I've been in your situation before...it really sucks. You seldom get points from the buyers for a new roof, but you always have them deducted for an aging one. Leaks are a different matter.

  • kjdnns
    Original Author
    10 years ago

    Thanks for all the advice and information. I didn't even know the stuff about the HO insurance.

    So that deal fell through. I think the buyers just wanted out because they came back with a list of just ridiculous stuff to fix - like repaint the whole house, buy all new window screens (because a couple are bent or have small holes that have been patched) and a bunch of other stuff that is just cosmetic or subjective and all visible when you walk through the home. They also asked for some really expensive stuff like install a new electrical box and new water heater but didn't want to tell us why or show us the inspector's report to justify the request. They also asked for the roof, and because my husband and I had already decided that it was fair, we did offer to give them a credit for the roof equal to an estimate we'd already gotten but of course they rejected it.

    So we are back on the market, a little older and a lot wiser.

    Thanks

  • Tony2Toes
    10 years ago

    You don't mention the state you are in, but in some states, its a legal requirement that you be given the option to view the actual buyers' inspection report. I know some REA's that REFUSE to let the sellers see the report (claiming that it limits their liability to disclose things), but in my experience, its always in your best interest to see the inspection reports if at all possible.

    Good luck with this. The roof thing can be hit or miss depending on the insurance agent. You may want to even include the rider page of your own HO insurance with your disclosure as a "hint" that the home is insured already and they may be able to get similar rates from your own agent.

  • Kelly
    10 years ago

    Depending on where you live I may disagree with Tony about viewing the inspection report. In my state I would be required to update the sellers disclosure and attach the report. It's a concern when you didn't select the inspector and have no idea how experienced or professional they may be. If the inspector is aggressive you have a disclosure that will be scary to most buyers. Ask your REA and if you don't have to disclose then Tony is right, you should see the specifics since $ is involved.

  • MFatt16
    10 years ago

    Here you don't want to see the full report. However, they have to disclose the pertinent sections of anything they want fixed. That way you don't have to know about things you could potentially have to disclose in future sales if that one backs out.