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| I have a question regarding taxes that will be charged to the HGTV Dream Home winner. If the winner decides to sell it and not live in it because they can't come up with the $800,000 in taxes, wouldn't they be taxed again on the sale proceeds of the home since it is not their primary residence? Taxed on the FMV of the winnings and then taxed on the gain on the sale of the home? Make sense? |
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| "If the winner decides to sell it and not live in it because they can't come up with the $800,000 in taxes, wouldn't they be taxed again on the sale proceeds of the home since it is not their primary residence?" The taxes are a percentage of the winnings, not the entire amount. |
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- Posted by sierraeast (My Page) on Sun, Feb 22, 09 at 19:08
| In California, property taxes are at the jarvis gahn inititave rate of 1% the appraised value of the home. |
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| After we win the house we will let you know :) We plan on selling the place after doing a 2 week vacation in wine county and staying in our new home. We love wine county, but the location of this dream home isn't ideal for us. |
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| Let me rephrase this. I win the house and I pay the tax on the winnings...whatever that is. Say it's $700,000. I keep it for a year and do nothing with it. I don't move there and don't live in it. I then decide to sell the home. I sell it for 2 million. Don't I have to also pay the taxes on my gain from that sale of $2 million dollars? |
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- Posted by punamytsike (My Page) on Mon, Feb 23, 09 at 8:18
| How did you come up with the gain? The gain (loss) is the bases between the initial appraised value that you paid the initial taxes on and the sales price. Unfortunately, if you sell for less that it was initially appraised for, you will not able to take the loss or recoup the taxes that you overpaid, at least as far as I know ( in regards to recouping tax overpay, you cannot take real estate sales as loss). |
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| I see. So your basis is determined when you pay the winning taxes. So if you sell it at the price it was appraised for, you pay no tax as there is no gain. Right? |
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- Posted by betsy_anne (My Page) on Mon, Feb 23, 09 at 11:53
| Presumably, on the day you win, you will have a federal (maybe state) income tax liability for the value of the property that day - if you sell it the next day, next week, or next year, your profit would be the amount you sold it for (minus expenses) minus the your basis in the property. For example, the value on the day you won is $750,000; you will owe income taxes on that amount as ordinary income. You sell the house for a net (amount paid by your buyer minus expenses of sale) of $800,000. Your profit/amount of gain you will then own income taxes for is $50,000 (net sale price - your basis in the property). So you do not pay 'twice' on the original amount of the property. |
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| This was a CPA's tax analysis of a previous Dream Home winner. This years winner is advised to seek their own legal and tax counsel. IMHO, this message needs to be bumped up every day. CPA/PFS...you ARE a genius!!! Again this year, I am summarizing the income tax aspects of the Dream Home that keep coming up in various forms. OVERVIEW FEDERAL INCOME TAX Q: What are the values that the DHW will be taxed on? Additionally, you will have income of $6,500 for the travel expenses, which will be taxable income but you should be able to write most of them off against the allowance. The variable is the valuation of the DH. The preliminary estimate by HGTV is $1,750,000 as of Nov 2005. I do not know what it is valued for property tax roles, but in the past that has been higher than the ARV. The actual value will be determined at the date of transfer, which should vary upwards from the $1,750,000. I suspect the DHW will use the HGTV valuation which will be used on the 1099 and would likely not be challenged by the IRS, especially if the DHW sold it within a year … which makes the valuation differences effectively moot. Q: How will HGTV report the DHW’s winnings to the IRS? Q: Will HGTV withhold the income tax from the winnings? Q: Gambling winnings, lottery winnings, etc. have withholding … why doesn’t HGTV and the DH? Q: Roughly, how much federal income tax will the DHW have to pay?
Q: When will the federal income tax be due? Q: Will the DHW have to pay the income tax before they can take possession of the DH? Q: If the DHW doesn’t pay the taxes on April 16, 2007 … what will happen? Q: What if the DHW is a U.S. resident (contest requirement) but not a U.S. citizen (not a contest requirement). Will they still have to pay income tax? Q: What if the DHW has HGTV pay the $250,000 directly to the IRS and not the DHW? Q: What if HGTV sold the DH to the DHW for only $1? STATE INCOME TAX Q: Will the DHW have to pay income tax in North Carolina? Q: Will the DHW have to pay state income tax in both their home state and NC? Q: What is the state income tax for NC? Q: Does NC have a Long Term Capital Gain tax that is lower than their regular income tax rate?
Q: When is the state income tax deductible? COMBINED STATE and FEDERAL INCOME TAXES Q: How will the DHW likely pay the income taxes? The could fund them with the equity in their existing home. Assuming that DHW wanted to move into the DH, they could use the $250,000 cash and $700,000 of the equity in their existing home (if they have it) to pay the income taxes. They could borrow them from a lending institution. The DHW could get a mortgage for whatever amount they wanted or needed. An interest only mortgage is running anywhere from 5.15% for a 1 year interest only mortgage to 6.5% for a 30 year fixed mortgage (P&I). So the DHW would have monthly payments ranging from $429 (interest only) to $632 (30 year fixed) per each $100,000 they borrowed. If the DHW borrowed just the balance of the income tax $700,000 ($770,000 federal tax +$179,500 state tax - $250,000 cash award) then their monthly mortgage would easily be $3,003 to $4,424 … assuming rates had not increased. This would be considered a "jumbo loan" with new issues to resolve. Another option is to sell the DH. SALE OF THE DH Q: What if the DHW sells the DH immediately? If the DHW immediately sold the DH for $1,900,000 net of selling costs, they would still have after tax cash of $1,200,000 ($1,900,000 sale proceeds + $250,000 cash award - $950,000 in taxes) plus the new GMC. If the DHW immediately sold the DH for say $3,000,000 net, then they would owe additional tax of $475,000 (35% plus 8.25%) on the gain of $1,100,000. But before you feel bad for them, consider that after tax they would have $1,825,000 cash ($3,000,000 sale proceeds + $250,000 cash award - $950,000 in taxes - $475,000 additional taxes) plus the new GMC. Q: What if the DHW lives in the DH during for a year and then sells it?
Q: What if the DHW lives in the DH for more than a year, then sells it? NOTE: It appears that NC taxes all income the same. In other words, there is not a lower tax rate for long term capital gains. Take the example above, if the DHW owned the DH for more than 1 year and sold it for $3,000,000 net sale proceeds, then the tax on the gain would be $255,000 ($3,000,000 sale proceeds - $1,900,000 basis * 15% LT cap gain tax and 8.25% NC tax). They would have $2,045,000 cash ($3,000,000 sale proceeds + $250,000 cash award - $950,000 tax on the ARV – $255,000 tax on the gain) plus the new GMC. Q: What if the DHW lives in the DH for 2 years then sells it? Using the DH as a vacation home, rental property, etc. would not qualify. You would have to establish residency at the DH. If the DH was not your principal residence, then the gain would be taxed as LT capital gain, explained above. Using the same example, if the DHW was married, and used the DH as their principal residence for 2 years … then sold it for $3,000,000 net, then the tax on the gain would be only $140,000 ($3,000,000 sale price - $1,900,000 basis - $500,000 exclusion * 15% federal and 8.25% NC). They would have $2,160,000 ($3,000,000 sale proceeds + $250,000 cash award - $950,000 tax on the ARV - $140,000 tax on the gain) plus the new GMC. What if after 2 years as a principal residence … the DH was sold for $4,000,000 net sale proceeds. Then the DHW would have cash of $2,928,000 ($4,000,000 sale proceeds + $250,000 cash award - $950,000 tax on the ARV - $372,000 tax on the gain) plus the new GMC. As you can see, the variations are endless … and all good. CHARITY Before anyone gets confused, most people consider the charitable deduction to be 50% of Adjusted Gross Income (AGI). That is the rule for cash gifts to public charities. Non cash gifts to public charities is limited to 30%. Gifts of short term capital gains property (which is what the DH would be for the first year) is limited to 20%. Another problem is charitable contributions are preference items for Alternate Minimum Tax … which could result in even higher taxes. Q: What if the DHW claims they entered on behalf of charity? Q: What if the DHW gives the DH to a Charitable Remainder Trust (CRT)? Q: What if the DHW gives the DH to a Charitable Lead Trust (CLT)? TRUSTS Q: Can the DHW transfer the DH to a trust and then file bankruptcy to avoid the income taxes? Q: Couldn’t the DHW claim that they entered on behalf of the trust … and therefore the trust really won the DH? SALES TAX GIFT TAX ESTATE TAX VIABLE WAYS TO FUND THE INCOME TAX Fund it with the equity in their existing home. Borrow it from a lending institution. Borrow it and fund it with a mortgage. View it as buying the home at 40 cents on the dollar.
Use it as a revenue source to generate the cash flow to pay the taxes or a (tax) loan payment, such a rental, etc. The deed restrictions allow a long term lease but prohibit B&Bs, etc. Sell the DH and used the proceeds to fund the taxes, resulting in a $1,300,000 after tax windfall. SUMMARY In April 2007, they will owe federal and state income taxes of approximately $950,000. They will owe property taxes annually. Sales tax does not apply. Gift tax does not apply … unless the DHW subsequently transfers the DH. Should anyone feel bad that the DHW has a large tax liability? No. They just received a $1,300,000 increase in their net worth … after tax. Also, the DH is likely to have a market value substantially higher than the ARV. |
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| I think the winner is only allowed two days in the house to decide. |
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| One scenario is missing: What if the house drops in value to $1M a few months after the winner accepted the prize? |
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| I would think that if the value could be reaccessed if it drops in value before then end of your tax year, you could claim that new lower value as your winnings. |
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| nutbunch, the value of the home is established at the time ownership is transfered. The house value could drop the next day but the IRS will still expect its full share of the original value. Lots of people working in tech got burned by this in the dotcom crash. They had been paid with options and those who didn't immediately cash in some options and pay the taxes later found that they still owed the IRS the whole amount, but their options were worth nothing. Wiped out a lot of people back then. |
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- Posted by punamytsike (My Page) on Thu, Feb 26, 09 at 8:33
| with options, you can write off the loss and recoup your taxes, you cannot do that with the HGTV dream house, as far as I know :-/ |
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