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Posted by nyarmush (My Page) on Tue, Jan 22, 08 at 13:55
| I just heard through the grapevine that my office in Philly is closing and there's a job waiting for me in the outskirts of Boston--Burlington, MA. I'm not sure what I want to do... While I get over the freak out factor, what can you tell me about living in the burbs of Boston? Do you like it? Do you hate it? |
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RE: Anyone know Burlington, MA?
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| Check out NH when you are checking into MA. My grandparents moved to a first ring suburb of Boston in the early '60s. My grandparents have since passed away, but all my aunts, uncles, cousins, etc on that side of the family still live in either MA, CT or NH. While many still live in the first ring 'burbs some moved further out to NH and commute to MA. You will get more house for your money even now in NH. Be warned though: the traffic is awful. I cannot overstate to you how bad the drivers are, how insane the traffic is, and how clogged the roads are. (And this is from someone that spent years in Manhattan.) |
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| My brother-in-law and sister-in-law live in Dorcester, just outside Boston. They really don't like Boston and are trying to find jobs out of MA. They think Boston's too crowded (people and traffic) and that the people are not very friendly. BIL grew in the Midwest; SIL in the South, so comparably speaking I guess Bostonians are not as friendly. My cousin's ex-husband was commuting from southern NH to Boston for his job. He has now moved back to Boston due to traffic issues. I think Boston's fun to visit, but you'd have to pay me a lot to live there (or in any major city for that matter). |
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| Actually, Dorchester is a neighborhood within Boston. We are delighted with our life in Boston, and would guess that part of the appeal of a suburb like Burlington is that you might be able to get a bit more house for your $ there, while all the while enjoying ready access to Boston proper, which offers some of the best hospitals, sporting venues, cultural events, libraries, restaurants, museums, conservation areas, historical treasures, and universities in the country. Incidentally, in response to the remark about Boston being "crowded" - last time I checked, we had fewer than 600,000 residents IN TOTAL. I think it would be fair to characterize Boston as being one of the smallest (most walkable, livable, etc.) "big" cities in the country. Just this morning, an article in the Boston Globe described that just the public school system in NYC has more than 1 million students! Eeegads, but that is big. Our own public system, where I am a high school teacher and my 3 kids are happily enrolled, has fewer than 60,000 students. Anyway, best of luck with your move, should it happen. My personal experience of Burlington is that it features a very large Mall. Hope others will chime in with more. Best wishes! |
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| You cannot compare Dorchester to Burlington. Different world entirely. Dorchester is part of Boston, but I lived in Boston for 12 years and never once entered Dorchester unless it was to pass through heading south on the highway. If I lived there I don't think I would have good things to say about it either. Incidentially, Dorchester is south of downtown Boston and Burlington is north. Boston is not crowded. There is the downtown area, which has a few highrises and a lot of brownstone-type buildings and apartment building. The further from downtown the larger the lots get and the less urban it is unless you are near another Mass city (and they are not large by city standards). I grew up a few towns north of Burlington, in a town that is a little more rural. Route 3 north takes you to NH, 128 and then 93 takes you to Boston. I personally wouldn't want to drive Route 3 from NH everyday if I could avoid it, pretty bad traffic. But there are a lot of nice towns within easy commuting distance. There are a lot of companies on the 128 belt. Burlington has a big shopping mall and a lot of other shopping centers. It's not something I would panic about. It's going to be far less urban than Philly. There is a wide variety of towns and homes within a short commute of Burlington. If you like the city you can live in Boston or Cambridge. Concord is beautiful, but expensive (same with Lexington). Carlisle is pretty rural. Tewksbury and Burlington have a mix of homes (newer and larger, older and smaller), as does Bedford. It gets more rural the more north or west you go. What are you looking for in a house? What is your ideal town like? |
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| I grew up not far from Burlington and I liked it. Obviously there's personal taste involved, but a few thoughts. First, Burlington is about 30m drive to Boston, so you can get in there for arts, sports, airplanes, etc. But Burlington is definitely suburban, and so are the towns around it. Depending on your budget, you could get a decent house on a bit of land, or a lot of house on a fair amountof land (1/4-1/2 acre, or even more). That area is a little bit hilly and has a fair amount of trees, so I think it has character. Where all the office buildings in Burlington are is pretty built up, and near a large mall, but you can go 10 minutes away and won't see that. I don't know Phily really well, but I've been there a few times. I suspect you'd find it kind of similar. There's an urban core (Boston) and then a bunch of suburbs, some nicer than others. Boston has a lot of educated people, but also a lot of working class folks, and most communities have some of each (althoughobviously it varies). I woudl consider takign the job, but not buying right away. See if you like it. |
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I agree with the poster above. Rent and then decide. Burlington to Boston is the equivalent of Valley Forge/King of Prussia to downtown Philly. It's got a town center but also a well-known mall and many high tech companies on or near a highway. As mentioned, it can be a commuter nightmare depending on your living choice. Rent and test your tolerance before you invest in a home. BTW - I live in Boston (Beacon Hill) and commute to Burlington every day. It's not ideal but I prever city living. There are also comprises to research - Arlington and Belmont are more convenient for (Burlington) commuting but have a real city and downtown feel. Also easy to use public tran to get into the city. Good luck. |
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| I lived in Philly when I was in high school, then moved to Boston for college and stayed there for 10 years. (I was an Army brat, not a native of Philly.) I recently moved back, to a suburb of Boston, Arlington. There's more snow here, but cities and towns are better equipped to handle it. The public transportation is a bit better than Philly, in my opinion. There is a lot of traffic. I would highly recommend finding out where your job would be and looking for a place to live based on the commute and how you plan to get there, either driving or by public transportation. Boston, like Philly, has lots to do, museums, theaters, sports, you name it. Because of the high concentration of colleges and universities in the area, there is always plenty going on. Lots of good historical sites, too, just like Philly. I'm biased towards Boston because my family is originally from here. Both Boston and Philly strike me as "livable" cities, big enough to have lots going on, small enough to be able to walk around. New York, on the other hand, always makes me feel as though I hit the ground running and have to keep running just to keep up, sort of like being on a treadmill that's just a bit too fast. What I like about Arlington, which is about a 30 minute drive from Burlington, is that I can live on a quiet city residential street, but only have to walk to the end of the block to be on Mass Ave, the commercial center of the town. From there, I can pick up a bus to Cambridge. I can walk to the other end of my street and get on a Rails-to-Trails bike/walk way that takes me to the subway in about 12 minutes. Arlington, which is officially a town, is more urban than Burlington. You can probably get more house for the money in NH, but check out the commute carefully. There are buses that run from Portsmouth, NH to Boston for commuters who don't want to drive. I suspect there are buses from other cities as well. But you are looking at a long commute from NH. My brother just found out that the MBTA Commuter Rail offers free rides to veterans. He is now saving over $200 a month on his daily commute into Boston from Billerica. |
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| Thanks for all of your responses. I currently live in the burbs about 35 miles from Philly; our town is small and has that "small town" feel. We have halloween parades and things like that. I really like it here, and I would like to find a town similar to this should we end up in Burlington. Ideally, we would like a 3BR house with a garage and maybe at least 1/4 acre. My husband and I looked on realtor.com--seems that many homes don't have gargaes in MA? Could this be the case, or is realtor.com just lax in listing garages... Basically, they are closing my office and combining sales offices with the one in Burlington, so MY current job will just be located in MA. Word is that the details will be revealed on Tuesday. The relocation package will be a major deciding point. We have a house to sell here, and the market is bad (like everywhere!) I'll let you know what happens! |
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| I cannot speak for the entire suburban-Boston area, but no one I know that lives in the area has a house without a garage. I decided to look up a zip code I am very familiar with. No one is listing a garage yet you can see the garages in the pictures. A few do say "attached parking" and the number of parking spaces available is listed. |
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| Much of DH's extended family lives one town from Burlington and they ALL have garages. Most houses in Mass do. unless you are on a tiny lot (usually an old neighborhood or in a more urban area) or are in a starter home. For example, many of the post-WWII small ranches don't have garages. Pretty much anything built since 1960-65 will. I looked up Burlington in realtor.com (single family homes with at least 1 garage) and came back with 54 listings. And that is just Burlington, I didn't look at any neighboring towns. But if you want a small town Burlington isn't it. Burlington is on two highways and is sort of the line between the more urban and less urban northwest suburbs. I grew up north of Burlington and considered it much more city-ish when I was growing up. In Mass. they don't really speak of "Boston suburbs" unless you are in the towns just west of Boston (generally called "Metro West"). Burlington is northwest. You will also here reference to the North Shore, South Shore, Merrimack Valley, etc. Knowing exactly where in Burlington the office is will help you pin down which direction you may want to look. Carlisle is a small town (they heavily restrict growth) near Burlington, but it is very expensive and there is a certain aspect of "keeping up with the Jones'" when you are in Carlisle, Concord, Lincoln and Lexington. |
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My hubby job is moving to burlington too and we live almost 40 minutes away from burlington in Framingham which is a commercial town with shopping and dinning Next to Natick on Route 9. The houses in burlington are on higher sides 500+ for a nice size.But u can look Something in Ashland or Hopkinton where theres lots of new constructions going on with fairly good price.But commute is gonna be a big issue bc highway 90 and 95 is always jamed.We are living in boston suburbs from almost 8yrs and loved the town.Cant think of living in city life.Most people here are professional Hi tech working because of many companies in the area. |
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| Working in Burlington is fine--easy to get to, lots of shopping. Traffic isn't THAT bad. The Burlington schools aren't horrible but aren't stellar either. Most people think of Burlington as a place to go if you're shopping. Based on what you described in Phil., consider Westford, Reading, or Bedford for living. Good schools, nice communities, newer housing stock/decent lot size with plenty of garages. Winchester is very nice, excellent schools, but more expensive. I live in Melrose--very "Victorian", old houses, charm, etc., but I'd say only 50% of houses have garages. Lot sizes here are small. |
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| I don't live in Boston, but I do live in New England. Originally from the Midwest...Lived practically all over the US. I must make a comment about "people". Keep in mind that I am generalizing. Not all people fall into the same basket, but many do. I am drawing my comments from personal experiences. Terrig 2007- I have experienced nice & not so nice people everywhere I lived. But lets address the Northerners & the Southerners. The stark difference between the Northerners & the Southerners is that the Northerner tell you how it is. They walk fast. They are succinct. They talk fast & are efficient. You may take that as unfriendly. Religion is a personal belief up here. Nobody bothers you about it. They mind their own business, unless you wish to tell them yours. Now that may not be your style. The Southereners are very nice to your face. Ya'll come back now, ya hear?... They invite you over for dinner. The next day they stab you in the back. The phone rings practically daily to join someones church...Just my experience... So choose your style ;) I only visited Philly & Boston. I love the fact that both have a lot of history. However, Ma is much prettier than Pa. Just my 2 cents. Spunky ma z6- No matter how bad the schools are in the NE, they are still much better than in Pa or the South ;) |
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| I have to add a counterpoint to the gross generalizations printed above. I grew up in Massachusetts (south shore), and now live in Atlanta. I also went to school in Pittsburgh and have lived in Asia and Europe. What I have found in my experience is that there are pockets of "regional behavior", as I call it, that are only found in very isolated spots-the closer you get to any sort of culture or mass transportation, the more "globalized" people become. So, yes, there are some tiny towns all over the planet where you can find bible thumping, fast walking unfriendly backstabbers (amalgamation for humorous purposes only, here), but in general, if you seek out neighborhoods and towns that tend to attract educated people, you're going to find a mix of every human quality, good and bad, regardless of location. Oh, and there are schools in the south that are better than schools in the north. Another gross generalization. Again, look for the people that value education highly, and you'll find that those neighborhood schools are also high performing, as well. Find your "tribe", and you'll be fine, no matter where in the world you are. tribe=people with a similar socio-economic, educational and core value system. (note, this does not mean ethnicity.) |
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| Yes, traffic on 128 is bad... BUT - learn the "back roads" (non-highway) use SmartTraveler and a GPS and you can find an easier route (I'll bet eventually you won't even need those). You can probably find the type of home you're looking for in many of the surrounding cities/towns. Reading, Bedford, Waltham, Wakefield, Andover... Hey Spunky-neighbor... Melrosian here too! |
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