I have been reading many posts on decking and would like to thank all posters for the education. I would point out individuals, however I do not want to forget to mention someone. I researched composites, aluminum, wood, etc. I wanted to go the "easy" way of composites, however I wasn't sold and I really wanted to be. I tested several composite samples left outside for the past 2 years along with Ipe. The Ipe weathered to a silvery gray and the composite samples look good with just fading. I pressure washed the Ipe and it looked brand new. If I use light pressure from my thumbnail I can easily scratch every composite I tested. Chairs, tables, etc. get moved and I have seen friends composite decks and they are scratched and many have stains. I do not like the fact that composites scratch and stain easily and basically cannot be easily repaired. I have decided on Ipe decking. I am not keen on staining maintenance, however all materials have there pros and cons. I currently have a 24' x 12' cedar deck that has deteriorated badly. That is with maintenance coats every 2 years with oil base pigmented stains and one complete sanding with a floor machine 4 years ago. The deck is 14 years old but the signs of splitting edges knot holes coming apart showed up at least 5 years ago. Cedar decking is not what it used to be.
The new deck will be 24' long x 16' wide. I will attach it to the house with a new ledger board and all new framing. I will use 2" x 10" X 16' pressure treated southern yellow pine. No ponderosa or others for me but am open to what others suggest as the best. The joists will be on 16" centers. I plan to use four 6" X 6" posts with a header at 14' from the house and overhang the last two feet. I really wanted to use an underdeck mounting system. I do not like grooved boards for many of the reasons discussed here. I am also not too keen about biscuit cutting all the slots but would if I believed more in the system. I also do not like the idea if a board needs replaced in the middle of the deck. Stuff happens. I will be face nailing with 316 SS screws. I haven't decided whether to use Ipe plugs or not. I have the following questions listed below.
1) I have read and spoke to several people on staining the framing lumber before installing and the consensus based on research suggests the following. With the new "green" method of pressure treated lumber you can stain after boards are acclimated for a short time say one week. They say just don't paint them. Do others have an opinion on this? I know that it wasn't recommended with the old pressure treating methods.
2) What length of screw needs to go through the joists? I ask this because if I have a deck board problem I simply replace it and use a longer screw. In addition what drive for the screw head? Many of the posts are older and am not sure what everyone likes best now.
3) I have 2" x 10" joists now on 16" centers with 5/4 cedar. I currently have "bounce" and do not want any bounce on the new deck and am thinking about doubling up every joist. I also have considered 12" joist spacing. Is the 2" x 10" enough? What approach would you suggest? Or is there another way?
4) Is 1/8" route on the butt ends the correct radius to use?
5) How often will stain need to be applied to maintain that deep, dark finish? I live in Michigan and the deck faces south into dense woods. Annually? 2 years? Is TWP 116 still the preferred product?
6) I am not sure whether to use 4/4 or 5/4 Ipe. I have read the posts just not sure. Is there a different opinion if I use 3/8" plugs? Any reasoning is appreciated.
7) I plan on 48" x 12" wide one piece Ipe stair treads. I do not plan on having a riser on the steps creating a view blocker as the deck is 12' high and the underneath has seating areas and a patio. What thickness Ipe would you use on the stair treads?
8) If using Ipe plugs what kind of glue do you recommend if any?
9) Is any adhesive required on the joists where the Ipe contacts them? If so what brand?
10) When face screwing with no plugging I understand the nice straight line for the screws. When you butt two ends you will have four screws. Is there a recommend "pattern" for butt end joints on a 24" wide deck? ie 3-8', 2-12', 1- 10'& 1-14" or purchase all the same size. Do you " lay out the pattern so the screws look symetrical?
11) Could the Ipe be powerwashed at the beginning of each season as it would look nice for the summer then hit it again every spring and forget staining altogether?
Any and all responses are appreciated. Thanks David
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