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IPE decking fastener question

brnelson
11 years ago

Have any of you IPE deck experts used the Camo Hidden Fastener system to install IPE or other hardwood decking material? I am considering it for my new decking. I wonder if it makes any difference if I were to use 1x6 or 5/4 x6 deck boards? With the 5/4 material you would get more of the deck board toe nailed to the joist which might help it to hold better when the boards expand and contracts during the seasonal changes.

Would toenailing the boards with this system minimize potential cupping?

One potential downside to this system is the automatic board spacing of 3/16" which seems a bit wide but maybe isn't so bad with wider boards.

I live about 1/4 mile from salt water so expect I should use SS screws with this system.


Any advice would be appreciated.

In the Camo Fastener website, the video section shows installation with hardwood decking.

Here is a link that might be useful: Camo Fastener link:

Comments (7)

  • zver11
    11 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Stainless steel screws are required with IPE regardless of where you live! IPE reacts with zinc in galvanized products causing a bleeding stain. In addition, the toughness of the wood requires the extra strength. Even with stainless, predrilling of IPE and waxing of screws is needed to prevent snapping of screws. If your screws do not penetrate the IPE, but only the fastener, then these arguments do not apply.

  • millworkman
    11 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    efloor, I tend to agree and until recently have never been a fan of "deck fasteners". I would be very interested in seeing a picture of the deck sample you made using the "Camo" fasteners. My email is on my page or in my signature if you would rather send it that way.

  • roquevalente
    11 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    yes correct, always use stainless steel screws, bleeding means that around the screws your wood will become black, this is especially true for chrome screws.
    The decking you refer to is also called clip system deck, below a link and picture for your reference for the clip system

    Here is a link that might be useful: deck designs, under which clip system

  • Manasquan_Fasteners
    11 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Good Afternoon Everyone.

    I came across this thread and thought that I would weigh in. Currently I work for an online retailer of stainless steel fasteners called Manasquan Fasteners. Prior to this positions, I served as the Deck Products Specialist for Starborn Industries which is the deck fastener manufacturer of products such as Headcote, Deckfast, Pro Plug, and Smart-Bit.

    During my time at Starborn Industries, I had the oppurtunity to test the Camo product extensively. I am personally skepticial of the product. All the testing that I performed showed poor performance with regard to pull through values and holding power when compared to a face fastener.

    It has always been my stance that top-down fastening is by far the most reliable way to fasten a deck.

    The two leading methods of top-down fastening are face fastening the boards, and plugging the boards.

    The company that I now work for, Manasquan Fasteners, offers a full selection of stainless steel fasteners including a wide range deck fasteners.

    Should you have any questions about fastening decks, you can checkout our website at http://www.manasquanfasteners.com or you can contact me directly at ryan@manasquanfasteners.com

    Best Regards,
    Ryan Unick
    Manasquan Premium Fasteners
    www.manasquanfasteners.com
    Phone: 800-542-1979

    Here is a link that might be useful: Manasquan Fasteners

  • weedyacres
    11 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Ryan:
    You are not allowed to promote your business on this site. You'd best edit your post and remove all such promotions ASAP or risk being banned by the GW mods.

    Oh, and you'll also get the opprobrium of all of us GW-ers.

  • DeckGod
    11 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    In regards to eFloor I wanted to give a balanced viewpoint of CAMO fasteners. You can not use the Camo in tight areas and most other hidden deck fasteners are not hard to put in by hand without a jig. The Camo screws can not be put in without the jig as the heads do not have a point, so you need something else to finish anyway.

    I personally have found that the quality of the Camo screws to be "unreliable", lots of them break on the way in. And if you lose your bit..... you are screwed since it's a non standard bit. Thats one of the reasons I switched back to the Tiger Claw ones. When dealing with decks in tight spaces with intricate turns the CAMO's quickly become a nightmare.

    Anybody else have problems with the CAMO's?

    Here is a link that might be useful: TigerClaw fasteners

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