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Need help with materials

Posted by AnnieDeighnaugh (My Page) on
Sun, Apr 15, 12 at 15:56

I'm hoping you can help me. We have built a walkway under our second story deck and we wanted to make it look nice. Someone suggested making an archway so it looked like a barrel vaulted ceiling. We loved the idea, but are having trouble with the execution.

We have the supports up out of PT lumber and that seems to work well. Then we were looking for a low cost finishing material, so we took long lengths of 2x8 PT lumber and ripped it into lath and nailed it up.

As the pictures below show, the lath was perhaps too wet or the grain caused the boards to warp. Now we're in a mess.

Does anyone have any suggestions as to what material we might use that is affordable. We thought about vinyl beadboard but were concerned as the deck above is open to the weather and the top of whatever material we use will have to drain...otherwise it will fill with water and come down or freeze. Do they make a PVC lath? Trex or Azek lath? Or might we make some kind of fancy vinyl lattice work?


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Ann, I dont know a lot but.Having exposed weather above you are going to run into probelms. Maybe putting up plastic lattice would be helpful. It is very flexable.Goodluck it looks like you have put a lot of time and effort into it


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Thanks Jenny, I have been looking into plastic lattice. Acurio makes some stuff that isnt' run of the mill. I was hoping to see it at Home Depot but apparently it's only available on their website.


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What is the span between the attachment points? It looks fairly far but it's hard to tell the scale from the pictures.

Were the ends of the really warped boards not nailed down?


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Greg, the span is about 38" between the supports. The boards were nailed down at each support and at the ends. Some split in the middle if there was a small knot in the wood. Others just pulled out from under the nails. Some have twisted and some are just undulating.


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More than 3 feet between supports?!? There's your problem.

I don't know what the actual span should be (maybe someone else can chime in) but I don't think I'd do any more than 16".

What is the size of the boards? You said 2x8s that you then ripped into lathe. Does that mean that they are 2x4s? They look a lot thinner than that. Are they 1x4s?


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Well these aren't structural so having them wide set shouldn't be an issue...I think it's really a materials issue.

We took the 2x8s and ripped them into lath...slats...so they are about the actual 1 3/4" by about 1/4" or 3/8".

What is interesting is the slats on one side are worse than on the other...each side was done from a different piece of lumber...so it could be how dry the wood was or how twisted the grain is.


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At that thickness of material and that span, I think every kind of material will sag down over time.

Sorry, I have no more suggestions. Good luck with your project.


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Pressure Treated lumber (very wet as it is treated with a liquid) will warp like mad normally once it dries if it is not attached and at those spans with limited attachment points that is what you have. On top of that you ripped 2 x 8's which means you have open cross grain which will also make it warp worse.


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Thanks Greg...it's not sagged so much as warped.

Thanks Millworkman, do you have any suggestions for other material we might try?


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Is there some sort of water proofing between the second floor deck and the ceiling?


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No, millworkman, there isn't...it's just open decking...trex type stuff. That's why were were putting the lath with space in between so it could drain and dry out.

I did find a place in OR that would ship us cedar lath that is 1/2" x 1 1/2" and our choice of length....that's cheap at .32/ft. I suspect shipping will be more than the cost of the materials.

Do you think that would work seeing it's cedar and it's already cut and dried? It's also thicker than what we were using. I know it will turn gray with age, but that's fine by me. We are looking for something rustic.

Here is a link that might be useful: Custom Cedar


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It will get wet from above and dry out and at those spans will do the same thing, maybe not as bad as pressure treated which is southern yellow pine but it will warp and twist definitely. Without sealing it and using a porch type material with proper framing your basically just wasting time and money. Only thing you may be able to do is add in some more framing and maybe use lattice panels but they probably would not hold up either.


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OK, thanks for your input. We can add more supports underneath so the spans are shorter. There would be a lot of material to seal...the arch way is 23' long....and we'd have to do all sides. Yikes! Oh well, idle hands are the devil's workshop!


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If you like the look of the slats and just need something more durable, there's a local guy here that makes higher-end lattice from extruded strips that are about 1/4" thick. He makes them in white and tan. He's a small shop, so would probably consider doing something custom length for you on his next extrusion run.

Let me know if it's something you might be interested and I can try to dig up his contact info.


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weedyacres, do you know what it's made of? PVC? I would be interested in his contact info as we are still in the research stage, if it's not too much trouble.

I spoke with the fellow who makes the cedar lath and he felt that since it was nonstructural, it would be ok to stick with the 38" span without supports. He said sealing it would help with the durability.

I'm still unsure...we spent a lot of $$$ doing it the first time and now it will all have to come down. I hate to spend the money on the added supports, but I'd hate even worse to have to pay to do it a 3rd time.

Sigh.


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Yes, it's pvc. Here's a drawing of the profile. It's ribbed, so it's good, solid stuff that holds its shape well.
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The guy's name is Mike Cohen, company is Lattice Works, and his number is 812-479-3232.


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That's excellent...Thanks so much....I will definitely give him a call.


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We ordered the cedar lath and are putting up additional supports. The cedar lath is thicker than what we used before and the supports will now be about 19" on center, so I think it's a go.

We were going to seal the wood, but then, I believe, it won't turn that lovely gray. I really want the more rustic look, so I think I'll leave them bare.


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Wanted to thank everyone for their help.

We used the 1/2" (true) cedar lath which I ordered from OR and we doubled up on the supports and the boards have been through several rain storms and they are still nice and straight.

I think that solved it. Expensive lesson to learn, but at least we've got something that's working.

Thanks!


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Just wanted to thank everyone for their help and suggestions.

We ordered the cedar lath and doubled up on the supports and I think we've got a great looking result. Finally!

So far, it's been through several rain storms and many very humid days, and has held up just fine.

Thanks!


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wow, your end result is very pretty, Annie! Thanks for following up with what you did and how it looks. Your walkway and retaining walls (and landscaping) are also beautiful!

I think we'll be trying to put a dry-deck system under our deck (just ordering materials now) but if that doesn't work out then this is a great idea!

cheers
ps: I think I've ''seen'' you over in the Kitchens forum??


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yes, mtnfever, we've met in kitchens

I really like how the area under the deck turned out. We covered the area with landscape cloth and then put large rocks and small rocks in such a way as to create a "dry" river bed. Where there was sun and water, we added plants, but most of the under deck area needs no weeding. We wanted the walkway under the deck, but wanted it attractive, so we parged the foundation wall, and we put in lighting for night time.

Thanks for your kind words.


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