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Baltimore Pool Build (with pics)

Posted by bobinbaltimore (My Page) on
Fri, Oct 9, 09 at 14:05

After a lot of research here and elsewhere, we've begun our build. We'll complete the shell and rough work this month, do some of the hardscape elements over the winter, then finish up in the spring. All comments and critques are welcomed.

Here are the essential specs:

25 x 37 freeform shotcrete pool
660 sq ft of water area
3'6" to 6' deep
2 - IntelliBrite LED lights
2 - skimmers
3 - return lines tee'd to 6 jets (4 wall, 2 floor)
1 - dedicated cleaner in-wall return
2" plumbing all around
Dual main drains with VGBA compliant covers
Stub out for future water feature
Integral steps, two benches, a loveseat
Deck-mounted rail at steps
Bluestone coping
6" x 6" waterline tile
Pentair Clean & Clear Plus 420 filter
Pentair VS-3050 pump
Pentair EasyTouch Contoller and SWG
Pentair Legend Platinum Cleaner w/ Booster Pump
Five 120v lighting/outlet rough-ins around area
Conduit for low voltage (cable, phone, network) installed to house
1/2" water line installed to house

Overall Plan:
Pool Plan

Pool Detail (hand-drawn adds):
Pool Detail

Breaking Ground (destroying some nice lawn):
Breaking Ground

Nearly Complete Shape:
Looking from the House back to the shed

Looking Toward the Shallow End:
View Toward Future Pool House

Deep end toward house showing grade cut:
View Toward House

Inside looking toward the shallow end:
Inside the Deep End

Shots of steel and plumbing to be posted later tonight.


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RE: Baltimore Pool Build (with pics)

Don't forget the drainage at the base of the retaining wall.
With the slope of the yard and the pitch of the deck, the wall base will be a valley where water will collect. It's got to go somewhere or there will be issues when it rains.

Scott


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Thanks, Scott. Absolutely. We haven't decided on the final form the wall will take (the plan shows boulders), but drainage is a key consideration. FYI, the cut (when the grade is finished) will be about 36" at the highest point, ranging down to a little less than 24".


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Pictures of the rebar work. Plumbing tomorrow.

View from Deep End Across:
Deep End At Bench

Bench Detail:
Bench Detail

Skimmer Detail:
Skimmer Detail

Middle:
Middle


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Looking good.......you have a very lovely yard and surrounding farmscape. Please keep posting as your pool progresses.


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I never knew Baltimore looked so nice, I guess I should stop watching the wire.


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Ha! Well, technically we're north east of Baltimore in Harford County, but no one knows where that is. It is a beautiful area...we're on the civilized fringes of horse country up here.


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And here are plumbing pictures, before they filled in the tranches:

Equipment and Main Trench:

Main Drain and Floor Returns:

Trench Detail:

Future Water Feature:

View from Shallow End:


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Here are pictures of the shell shoot today. Everything went really well.

Work on Shallow End Wall:

Building the Sun Bench:

Completed Stairs:

Completed Sun Bench:

Completed Left Side:

Completed Right Side:


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Sorry about the broken links. Here they are again:

Work on Shallow End Wall:

Building the Sun Bench:

Completed Stairs:

Completed Sun Bench:

Completed Left Side:

Completed Right Side:


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Electrical went in today (pictures posted in the next day or two) and we're waiting on one more bid on the retaining wall to make a final decision on that. So far, so good!


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A few pictures of the electrical install:

Trench back up to the house. We had the electrician place a separate conduit for low voltage cable (two Cat5e and two RG6):

Pentair EasyTouch Controller Panel:

Trench Along the Side. We had 5 120v light positions pulled around the pool for post lamps.

And a bit of wetting down the gunite:


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Early Winter Update: Shell has been winterized and partially filled. Nothing will happen until spring. Our landscape contractor has been working on what has become a rather substantial retaining wall. We're using EP Henry Coventry Wall, lots of 3/4" stone, geogrid and a lot of compacting to make it one very solid wall.

Depending on how the winter goes (how cold it is), we'll get the fence installed and prepare for deck, coping, plaster and pool house in the spring. I also have to finish one more part of our basement so we'll have a full bath down there for convenience. Since I properly permit everything I do myself, I need to leave a couple of months for that over the winter, too. Very busy.

Here are some shots of the retaining wall.

Wall - Long View

Wall - Stairs

Wall - looking back form deep end

Wall - view from across pool 1

Wall - view from across pool 2

Wall - view from across Pool 3

Wall - tail end

Wall - near deep end

Wall - steps detail and near end

Wall - view along


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I love the wall. Did you use any construction adhesive om the wall? Is it just sitting on compacted gravel?

Will the outdoor lighting be controlled with the Easy Touch ?

Looks like a very high quality job! Looking forward to seeing the deck, coping and pool finish in the Spring.

Scott


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Thanks, Scott! The EP Henry system uses pins. We specifically looked for a pin-based system as they are multiples stronger than gravity or adhesive systems, since we do have a bit of a slope there and only want to have this wall built once. The cap and stair treads are installed using construction adhesive per manufacturer's instructions, as are some of the more interestingly shaped cut pieces and smaller units that can't be pinned.

The wall sits on 6 - 8" bed of compacted crusher run over fabric over virgin soil. Our landscape contractor also put in 2 - 2.5 feet of compacted 3/4 stone behind the wall, and he used geogrid for the runs at or slightly over 3 feet from base stone. (Other contractors we talked to were offering more like 1 foot of stone behind the wall, and no geogrid.) He compacted in layers as manufacturers require, but too many contractors ignore. French drain is down there, too.

The 120v outdoor lighting will be controlled by a separate system (basic timer), but we are looking to have the low voltage controlled by EasyTouch, including a couple of the Intellibrite Color Changing LED Landscape lights that came out recently.

Here is a link that might be useful: EP Henry Coventry Wall


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Here are a couple of winter shots of the pool and wall. Really neat with today's blizzard.

Where our stairs will be in the wall:
Where our stairs will be...

Long view of the wall:
Snow along the long wall

Wall detail (amazing how stone-like it looks in the snow!):
Wintery wall detail

And the pool itself:
Wintertime unfinished pool


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Dang that snow looks pretty! That last pic makes me want to go Ice Skating!


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Bob, please don't forget to post your completed pictures. Everything looks great so far, and I'm sure I speak for many when I say we can't wait to see the finished product. By the way, my sister is in Ellicott City; is that near you?


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Well, spring is finally here! Our builder was out two weeks ago and installed the bluestone coping and tile. We picked NPT's Aztec Cobalt 2x2. Not super unique, but it ties very nicely in with both the coping and the retaining wall.

Deck grading, stone, steel and forms will be installed Thursday. Should be inspected Friday with the pour next week. We really wanted a paver deck, but the budget simply will not allow for that at the moment.

Aztec Cobalt 2x2 (from NPT website):

Coping just after installation:
Coping, tile and retaining wall together

Detail:
Coping and tile showing stairs

Detail:
Coping nad tile along sun shelf


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Your pool and retaining wall are gorgeous! I can't wait to see the finished pool. Would you mind sharing your cost for the retaining wall and french drain? How long is your retaining wall? I need something similar and I love how yours looks.


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Monkeyjac, the wall is EP Henry Conventry, which is a pinned system. It's about 120 feet long, peaks at what will be a finished max height of about 3 feet once the deck is in. All in, the wall was about $11K plus an extra $1K for the rounded stairs and geogrid tie-in. It was honestly about double what we wanted to spend, but we felt the additional length with the gently curved ends would make it better looking and the product quality is just excellent. The geogrid plus the massive amount of stone, compacted in layers, should mean this wall stands pretty much forever. Well worth it.


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retaining wall

Bobinbaltimore, thanks so much for the info. That's less than I would have guessed actually. I was thinking it was around 20k. For such a beautiful wall that will last a lifetime, it's well worth it. It certainly enhances the overall look. Please continue to post pics!


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Thanks, Monkeyjac. We had quotes for the same or similar that ranged from about $10K to 17K. We went with a landscaper we had used previously and he did an excellent job. Funny how the wall makes the pool! More pics later this week after forms and mesh are in.


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Who is your pool builder if I may ask?

Thanks
Larry


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Larryt_2010, happy to answer. We're using Elite Pools, working with Mike Shaffery. We looked at a number of builders - big and small - and it came down to Pleasure Pools and Elite. Very similar approaches, high-quality results and very clean BBB/MHIC records. We were just felt that Elite's package was a bit better suited to our requirements.


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Bob ... it look fabulous! I've been following your pool as it is a similar shape to ours, and now I see you have almost the same tile ... what did you use? Ours are 1x1 golden white quartzite, we are using the 2x2 on the sunshelf.

My hubby is just cutting all of the coping and once the sealer cures, we can get it on. Looks like you are also ready for plaster - what did you decide to go with?


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NYpoolnovice, we used NPT's Aztec Cobalt 2x2. Not super unique, but it ties very nicely in with both the coping and the retaining wall.

On the plaster front, we always knew we couldn't afford PebbleSheen or PebbleTec...such a huge cost. We were looking at DiamondBrite, but are now thinking just plain old white plaster. We'd like to put the money into a nice pool house and other amenities that improve the out-of-water entertainment as well.


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Bob,

My advice on the the white plaster...you will regret it. I have built 2 pools. The first we saved on the budget by putting in white plaster; hated it. It seemed like every little thing that fell into the pool left a stain on the white plaster. After living with this for a few months I sure wished I would have splurged for an upgraded plaster.

My second pool, didn't think twice; automatic decision of pebbletec. Love it, love it, love it.


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Bob, it's looking great so far! On the plaster, have you priced quartz plaster? It's between regular plaster and PT in price, but wears better than regular plaster and offers you lots of color options. I have a friend who, like Amy, really regretted going with white plaster because it always looks "dirty".


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Bob, we are also going with the regular plaster ... I've re-read a few past threads about plaster and it seems some of the experts have had great success with plain old plaster, but we are going to add some color, maybe a dark grey, but I also read about this silicone shield that we want to add - it seems to add longevity and possibly help with the 'dirty' comment above. Do you have a date for your plaster?


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Thanks, @amy_texas, @tresw and @nypoolnovice. We've been talking a lot about this. Looks like it would be about $2,500 for Diamondbrite (we totally can't afford PT or PS at the moment so they are out of the question), and we're not sure we like the idea of that much texture anyway. I grew up with plain old plaster pools and never felt the poorer for it. :-) I think the compromise might be adding color to the marcite...just a light gray or medium blue. The potential swirls and mottling don't really bother us as it will just add interest. Our goal had been a stage picture that was somewhat rustic anyway. If we were building a Greco-Roman palatial pool or something ultra-modern, it would be a problem.

Any suggestions on coloring methods, additives, etc? Obviously, we want to ensure that it's a quality job all around.

Concrete guys are here today placing forms and steel. I'll post pictures later. Very impressive crew.


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Quote: "The potential swirls and mottling don't really bother us as it will just add interest."

Yes, I agree completely! Ours is quartz plaster and it does have some swirling in it, I actually like it! Really you can't see it anyway, unless the pump isn't running and there's no wind (IE, surface like glass).

On the two colors you're considering, if possible see if you can look at filled pools done in the same color. The colors look quite different once the pool is filled, it's hard to tell when looking at samples what you're going to end up with.


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Most of the deck prep is complete. They'll finish some tomorrow, get through inspection and pour on Tuesday or Wednesday. We thought we'd be getting 700 - 800 sq ft. We ended up with more than 1,200 sq ft. Once you see the forms laid out, everything changes!

Walkway from house:

View back toward house:
Deck Prep - View back toward the house

View of what will be the adjacent grassy play area:

Looking from about where the pool house will be:

Deep end:

Far side:


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BobinB,
I think your project is coming along quite nicely! It is obvious that much care was taken in planing this pool especially in how it compliments the living area edifice you live in. One question: why is the walk way path to your house not lined up with (as in 90 degree angle) those beautiful stairs? The overall effect is still gorgeous, though. Your family is sure to enjoy the finished project.....well done!


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I love the tile. It looks absolutely fabulous and matches so well with the coping. Great choice! Can't wait to see it with water.


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And we're back. Great progress over the last two weeks.

We went with plain brushed concrete for deck...1280 sq feet of it which is about double what we originally intended. We were aiming for pavers originally, but were 1) concerned about how busy that might make things look with the texture of our tiles, coping and the wall and 2) frankly, are watching the budget carefully. At any rate, the concrete guys did an excellent job and the deck looks great. It is plain, yes, but our conclusion is that it fades into the background and allows the natural stone of the coping matched to the tile to stand out.

On the plaster, based on advice received here and after talking with our builder, we went with a light blue-gray color additive to the plaster. We want a fairly natural look so swirls and such are no problem for us. Plaster was installed yesterday and the result is.....GREAT. It is PERFECT. We love it.

Pictures of both of the above to come shortly.


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ere are pictures of the decking. Also shown are the post lamps we selected. The posts are 7 ft cast aluminum, the lanterns are 18" high themselves with a nice thick glass lens that has a train lantern look that we were going for. With the height of the post, the oversized lanterns really work well.

Deck from stairs:
Deck and Lights

Deck on far side, showing three of the post lamps:
Deck and Lights

Deck from far side, looking back toward steps and wall:
Deck and Lights


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And here are pictures of the light blue-gray plaster installed yesterday. We snapped a few before the water trucks began filling. Again, I know the mottled look is not everyone's cup of tea, but it is really perfect for our vision. Just naturalistic enough, and the color (especially with water in) is a perfect complement to the coping and tile.

The water quality of the trucked water is great, so we ran the Intellibrites last now...just beautiful. We'll get some nighttime pictures in the next few days.

Plaster from the stairs:
Plaster

Plaster from far side looking back toward stairs:
Plaster

Plaster from deep end:
Plaster

Plaster looking from shallow toward deep:
Plaster


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Bobinbaltimore - It looks great! I'm so excited for you. We should be ready for our plaster in about a week ... what type of blue additive did you put into the plaster. We are also going with the greyish plaster ... everything else seems like a budget buster!

I know you were a DIY like us, did you clean out the pool for the plaster or did your plaster company do it? Nice job!


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Bob, thanks so much for your continued pictures and posts. Our pool dig will start on June 1, and so often I'm looking for updates from people, and they seem to discontinue their postings after a certain period of time. So, I am eagerly awaiting the posts of your night time pictures. I also hope you'll plan to post pictures after everything, including landscaping is complete. Your pool is absolutely beautiful! By the way, my sister is in Ellicott City - how far are you from that area?


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@nypoolnovice...while I've done some of the work myself, and have parceled out some of the projects (retaining wall, landscaping, etc) I did use a builder for the pool. Apologies if I gave you a different impression. I used Elite Pools and they have been great. The plasterers did the clean-up, acid wash, and neutralization. I will find out what coloring product they used.

@zuggy, Ellicott City is probably 40 miles from here on the other side of Baltimore, so it is in the general neighborhood. We're northeast, they are southwest of Baltimore.


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Here are some night pictures. I admit that I was too lazy to get out our good SLR camera, so these aren't the crispist pics. Caveats: it's been windy as heck here today, so these are not placid water pics; ignore the surface debris, please; and the water chemistry is still raw, so the color correctness will improve. I'll do comparative color shots as the Intelibrites cycle through next week.

View as you approach:
Pool at Night

View across the surface with lights on white:
Pool at Night

View looking back toward stairs:
Pool at Night

View from deep end, lights on white:
Pool at Night

View from deep end, lights on blue:
Pool at Night


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A couple of people have asked for pictures showing the final water color with the gray finish. Here are a couple:

Finished Color 1

Finished Color 3


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wow! that would be a great job for the Plumbers and contractors who work on that Pool.

Here is a link that might be useful: Plumber Baltimore


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Congratulations plumberbaltimore. Most people here refuse to use spammers. If you want to advertise, pay for it. Don't free load. Besides, it violates the terms of use you acknowledged.

Scott


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bobinbaltimore,

Did you ever finish the cabana? Your drawing at the top of this thread looks somewhat like what I am trying to design... an open area with roof and closed areas for bathroom and pool supplies. I'd love to see some pictures of how it worked out if you built it.


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This looks GREAT! What a nice job and looks like a great pool. Thanks for sharing and hope you and your family enjoy the heck out of it!


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Pool house is still in-progress, but almost done. Here are a few shots, and a link to more below.

Overall view:

Front:
Photobucket

Interior In-Progress:
Photobucket

Ceiling In-Progress:
More ceiling.  Joint between ceiling and wall will have molding to cover a variety of evils.

Here is a link that might be useful: Pool House Build Photos


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Cool!!! I like how you built it around the equipment pad! I would like mine inside also... but the pool house will not be built until after the pool is operational.


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Hi, pool looks great!!! Are you still happy with the work done by Elite pools? I'm in the prices of finding a builder and they're on my list.
Thanks
Alex


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Yes. The build is solid, and I've had them come out and do a few things for me over the last few years. Always responsive. While not the least expensive, I feel we got a good value from Elite.


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Thank you for your responce. I will have an appointment schedulede with them. Its so frustrating... just abouut all the builders i talk to, once i check them out, there are horror stories. Its great to get someone's first hand feedback.
Did you by any chance evaluated other builders and if you don't mind can share the experience, so i don't end up talking with someone i shouldn't. Please message me if you'd rather give me the info in private.
Thanks again.
Alex


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How do you like the bluestone coping? Especially the hard edge? I see it is not bullnosed or even slightly rounded over on the edges. Have you found that to be a problem getting in and out with that?


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The coping has been no problem at all. The edges are not sharp, though the are squared, as you note. Our builder used a very good quality stone...no flaking or odd movement through three years now. We've had no cuts, bonks or other issues. I was originally concerned and asked about bull nosing. The cost was pretty off-the-charts relative to my perception of the benefit. Of course, having rounded edges would definitely be a more refined look, so if you can afford it, go for it!


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Quick update. Pool house cabinets and counters are in, all interior trim is done. I'll build the sliding door to the changing room in the spring. It will hang from a barn door-style apparatus I got earlier this year. So, aside from a thorough cleaning, gutters, a few touch-ups and minor items, we're done.

Floor tile:
View from main door

Changing room pebble tile:
Shower room grouted

Kitchen window with 8" sill:
Kitchenette Window, Sill is 8 inches deep so that we can set things on it as needed.

Changing room window:
Changing Room Window

Looking back toward the front door and changing room:
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Exterior with trim painted:
Outside with trim painted


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