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| I used chlorine tablets in our feeder our first season with the new pool. This season I want to use bleach instead of tablets... mainly because the tablets have stabilizer in them, and do not want to increase the stabilizer level any higher than it is now.
I have a 30K gallon pool, and if I add a large bottle of 6% bleach (Target has them at 187 ounce I think) the chlorine level will increase an additional 3 ppm. I'll use 5 ppm in my example as the standard desired chlorine level in summertime. Having said that, I have a few questions:
#2. Or is it safe to add a full bottle of bleach that will raise the level to 8 ppm, and then add another bottle once the level comes back down to 5 ppm? Option #2 is less maintenance obviously, and requires less preciseness in measuring bleach, etc. Any feedback is welcomed. What would you do? -Gorilla |
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| 5 ppm of free cl is higher than most. 2 to 3 is usually where I target my pool. Add some daily. |
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- Posted by ronnatalie (My Page) on Wed, Feb 25, 09 at 8:17
| You want to do what you can to keep the free Cl above 2. With unstabilized hypochorite it's going to be a continual challenge in an uncovered outside pool. I get the three jug packs at Costco, but my pool is covered (and inside). |
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| If you are considering switching to Chlorine for sanitizing your pool, I would recommend getting a Liquidator. It is a very affordable and almost foolproof way to adding liquid Chlorine or Bleach to your pool. It is made by HASA and if you Google it you should be able to find a site that sells it. I've had one for three years and it works great. |
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| The web site is kind of lame. How is it plumbed in? Would you post a pic of yours? I've heard good things in the past about them on another site. |
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| Pool center... Spamming isn't allowed on this site. I'd rather see a peristaltic pump installed over the "liquidator" any day. Chlorine is an oxidizer and I wouldn't want liquid chlorine going through my heat exchanger constantly. As many pool guys know, float valves can and do fail. |
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| Here is a link to trouble free pools. It has a ton of info on using bleach, borax, and baking soda to maintain your pool. Nice forum with nice people. |
Here is a link that might be useful: BBB pool care
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| The Liquidator is plumbed in through two holes in the plumbing, one before the pump and one after the pump. Most people use the drain plug on their pump basket housing for the first hole and then only do a single hole after the pump. The kit comes with saddle clamps that go over the hole and the water flows through a small diameter tube. The LQ (Liquidator) works without power by using the suction of the pool's pump. water is forced into the LQ from the tube that is installed after the pump. In the LQ, it mixes with CL and then exits the LQ through the other tube into the basket of the pump to be redistributed into the pool. The is no not a high concentration of CL distributed by the LQ. The design of the LQ delivers a low concentration of CL any time the pool pump is running. Bleach is heavier that water and the LQ houses 8 gallons of bleach and probably an additional 16 gallons of pool water. Bleach settles to the bottom of the LQ and the water that is returned to the pool comes from the very top of the LQ. So it does not deliver a straight dose of CL. And certainly floats could fail, but a float valve is a much more simple mechanical device that a pump and less likely to fail IMO. I am not knocking pumps for CL distribution as I have never tried one. But I have to say that the LQ has worked flawlessly for me for a few seasons now and at $130ish was a great value. One bad aspect of the LQ is that HASA's customer support is very poor. It you are interested in pictures and more info, Troublefree pool has a forum dedicated to chemical automation here: And HASA's site is here: http://www.hasapool.com/ |
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| Racket is right, freshly chlorinated water is not a good thing to be running through a heat exchanger. Tablet feeder manufacturers learned that long ago. |
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| "Racket is right, freshly chlorinated water is not a good thing to be running through a heat exchanger. Tablet feeder manufacturers learned that long ago." There is a big difference between tablet PH and liquid chlorine PH. Tri-Chlor tablets have very low PH which tends to be corrosive to metal. Even though mixed with water, the PH tends to be quite low and would cause corrosion in the heater. This also why pools run on Tri-Chlor tend to have lower PH. However, bleach aka liquid chlorine, has a high PH. Mixed with water in the liquidator, the PH is slightly higher than the incoming water but is not corrosive and won't damange the heater. However, it might cause scaling if the PH, TA and CH are not kept in check. |
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| While what you say about the pH of both types is correct, even ith the higher pH of liquid, the chlorine is still not a copper heat exchanger's friend. It is why salt cells are still set after the heater, usually with a check valve preceding it. |
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| No doubt that a high concentration of chlorine will dissolve copper but what the liquidator injects is on average only about 1 ppm higher than what enters the pump (depending on what needs to be added each turnover). If the chlorine level of the pool is 2 ppm, then what goes through the heater is only 3 ppm. That shouldn’t have much of an impact. In fact, most heat exchangers today are made from either cupronickel or titanium which have much better corrosive resistance than copper. |
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- Posted by el_duderino (My Page) on Thu, Feb 26, 09 at 16:23
| I would also have to agree with those who have already pointed you to the trouble free pool forums. They have an entire forum dedicated to this topic and a wealth of information, including what types of bleach to use and where to get it cheaply. |
Here is a link that might be useful: Our Pool Build...currently in process
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- Posted by huskyridor (My Page) on Thu, Feb 26, 09 at 22:17
| I can assure you that bleach is AWESOME. I use 10%, it costs me more but is well worth it. During the summer if the weather is really hot I'll use 20% so I don't go through as much. Gorilla, I'll attempt to answer your questions. quote" #1. Is it better to add a little bleach every few days or so such that the chlorine ppm level is fairly stable (i.e. try to keep the level at or near 5 ppm)? "quote Add a little daily to maintain your desired level. You'll get a feel of how much you need as you work your pool chemistry over a month or two. quote" #2. Or is it safe to add a full bottle of bleach that will raise the level to 8 ppm, and then add another bottle once the level comes back down to 5 ppm? "quote You can do this but it isn't my favorite way to deal with a pool during swim season. I'm curious what do you attempt to keep your stabilizer level at? I strive for 50 (+- 10). It seems to help hold my chlorine level on the very very hot sunny Texas summer days, and does really well the balance of the year. I also strive to keep my alkalinity as close to 100 (+-20) and my ph as near to 7.5 (+-.2) as possible. See ya,
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- Posted by landmark218 (My Page) on Fri, Feb 27, 09 at 14:14
| Kelly, Where do you get 10% or 20% filtered bleach in the Houston area? |
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| Thanks for all the feedback guys. I kept out for a bit since there was a lot of discussion. I am familiar with trouble free pools, and use the BBB as much as I can. Kelly: TA is currently 120 ppm, but I usually have it at 100 ppm. I keep PH at 7.5. And I'll keep stabilizer at 50ppm +/- 10 ppm. -Gorilla |
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- Posted by huskyridor (My Page) on Sat, Feb 28, 09 at 12:23
| Landmark, I get 10% from my pool products wholesalers SCP or FWP. They don't sell direct but can provide your retailer with the gallon jugs. You can also purchase it from Home Depot in the pool supply section of the lawn and garden dept. I purchase 20% from a wholesaler in the restaurant supply business, I'm not sure it would be available to a homeowner. No matter which bleach you choose, keep it out of the sun while storing it. See ya, Kelly |
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