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plumbing natural spring to house ?

tommypic
17 years ago

I have bought this house and a new well was drilled before I bought it . The well is about 409 ft but not getting but 1.5 gal a min. I talked to the orginal owner and he said all they used was a natural spring . I want some in put on what you think about using one . There is pipe and wire ran to it from the house ( i will have to get him to show me where they are at the house ). It has a large cement pipe in the ground and water is steady running out . If you would use it I need some ideas on setting it up .

Thanks

Tommy

Comments (11)

  • dickross
    17 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Natural springs will vary a lot. The water doesn't come "from" the ground, it comes "thru" the ground. It may come from many miles away and run deep underground, or much of it may come from a stagnent swampy area nearby. The water may be safe to drink as is or it may be full of all kinds of nasty stuff. Have it tested before you make any definite plans, and if you use it, have it retested regularly. (tests to include bacteria, virus, heavy metals, hydrocarbons, etc). Springs can change due to changes in weather patterns, industrial development, illegal dumping, etc. This is also true for wells, but generally less of a problem because they draw from deeper aquifers that are fed from a large area.

    That's a pretty deep well to only produce 1 1/2 gal. How does this compare to other wells in the area? What kind of formation is this producing from? Talk to some well drillers, they may be able to help.

  • dickross
    17 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Does anybody ever "stimulate" a water well to increase production? We do this routinely with oil and gas wells, but i've never heard of anybody fracing or acidizing a water well? Is it just because it's cheaper to just drill a few hundred feet deeper, or is there something else i'm missing?

  • pjb999
    17 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    I wonder if rainwater is an option, you shouldn't have any of the microbial issues described, it's common in places like New Zealand and Australia - not a problem where stuff doesn't freeze - but if you had a big enough cistern, you could store it for winter, maybe.

    Tommypic hasn't made any mention of the surrounding area so we can get an idea of the water quality - if the house is the only one for 50 miles and surrounded by national park catchment, the water quality might be reasonable - but if there's lots of houses, maybe septic tanks, or agriculture, especially cattle, ground water like this might be a very doubtful proposition.

    Kind of a pity you bought the place already, this'd be a deal breaker to me without proof the water's ok (the water should be tested several times under different conditions.

    Interesting the mention of getting finance, I was wondering the same - why use 'spring' water coming from a culvert when you've drilled a well? I guess the other downside is, it suggests an overall poor water supply. This'd be a huge disadvantage in reselling.

  • lazypup
    17 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    I fail to see why a well producing 1.5gal/min would not be sufficient to your needs.

    Typically a family of 5 will consume an average of 300gal/day.

    There are 24 hours x 60 minutes per hour for a total of 1440 minutes in a day.

    The well produces 1.5gal/min x 1440min/day for a total of 2,160gallons per day thus the well can produce enough water in one 24hr period to supply a single family residential structure for 7.2 days.

    In a typical household the largest single use demand for water is the shower which is typically 2.5gpm x 10min for a total of 25gal. The well produces 1.5gpm so it can make up the shower volume in 25gal/1.5gpm = 16.6minutes.

    The shower is consuming 2.5gal/min while the well is resupplying 1.5gl/min for a net loss of 1gal/min which can easily be maintained by the volume of stored water in the pressure tank and the tank will recover between showers. In fact, with a 75gal holding tank you could operate 3 showers simultaneously.

  • blindstar
    17 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    It all depends on the quality of the spring. There are some very good springs, but you need to have the water tested. We have lived with spring water in two homes for at total of 45 years. In one case we just laid a submersible pump sideways in the spring house, in the other the spring house was on a hill above the house, 50psi gravity feed no pump.

    "Does anybody ever stimulate" a water well "Â.
    In my area we used to fracture wells with dynamite now days we use hydro fracture. IÂve seen significant increases in SOME cases.

  • kid4christ
    15 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    At a house I recently purchased, there is a spring, but no well, so the spring is my only option. When I began to use it early this year, it flowed fairly quickly. Several months later, it has slowed up enough to be a problem with supplying the house. Does anyone have any suggestions as to how to keep it flowing?

  • hassalthoff
    11 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    It's a long time since this post, but in case someone else is looking...

    Go to the spring source and open up the cistern or wherever the supply lines start.

    The spikes driven into the earth can become clogged, so you could try cleaning those by driving a rod up the shaft. If you have another means of water flowing, you need to make sure the pathways are open.

    Likewise, sometimes there can be buildup in the holes of the feed tube in the cistern. You can manually scrape/clean the holes to open up the flow into the line.

    In my case, we had some small roots that found their way into some of the holes. These were removed with loose agitation.

    Water was tested after cleaning and no ecoli or other bacteria present.

    Make sure you seal the lid. I used compressible foam around the head of the cistern to prevent mud and bugs from finding their way into the cistern. Caulk was used at one time, but the problem there is that if you lift the lid again, the hardened caulk now becomes a pathway for junk and bugs getting in, because the lid won't sit perfectly back in the same spot. If you use caulk once, you have to re-caulk every time you open the lid.

  • hassalthoff
    11 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    We have a spring that feeds two homes. I happen to be the "upstream" home.

    We recently did a major remodel and kept the spring.

    I get 40psi and about 7gpm from the spring water, so there is technically no need for a pump. The problem is that in the winter, I cannot pull all the water for my home, or else the stagnant water between the two houses could freeze. We'd be up a spring without a paddle if that happened. In fact, I've been told that back in the mid 1900's, the inhabitants were known to have to go into the creek (the two houses are on either side of a creek at the base of a bluff) in the middle of winter to fix the line.

    The question I have is about the water storage at my house, the upstream house. What I plan to do is to plumb the spring to a T connection on the bottom of a 50 gal pressurized storage tank. I will set the pressure at, say, 30 PSI, or something less than the spring. I will throttle the inlet to cap the amount of water I pull off the spring line. This will also allow me to pull water from the tank first (ensuring I am always replenishing that water), while sending enough water downstream that it would never stagnate and freeze.

    Does anyone see any issues with this, or do you have a better solution or recommendation?

    Thanks!

  • MabelNite51
    9 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    I moved here 1980,,the place was a mess. we did a lot of clearing & fixing up of house..Its atrailer that on outside looks like house..Recently my son had to work on plumbing.Had plumber come & help him look it all over..Had new pressure gauge added..Found the pipe had leak.Pipe went all round front..so we shortened it,came from spring fed well to trailer,125 ft..well is little lower then house..We have no pressure,not sure if tank,,or pump,,also have loop in pipe,loop is out of the water little,,,

  • Brock Bains
    4 years ago

    we are planning on using a low lying spring on our property as a water supply. after testing it was almost totally pure but did test positive for ecoli but something like 90 percent of ground water does. the health department said we should absolutely use the water and just treat as necessary either with uv sanitizer or in line chlorination. just test and talk to the water authority in your area