Go web searching and see if this "moen brantford faucet" appears for sale without its valve, in some or all of the offerings. Post again with your findings.

If I don't see any response, or reasonable discussion about this, I'll ask the moderators to delete this thread as it may just be senseless promotion of "moen ..."

Faucets are mostly sold with the valve if used in the kitchen sink or bath sinks. The shower and Roman Tub faucets are sold with and without the valve. The valves in these cases are in back of the tile or under the tub. So once you have the valve you can purchase new trim kits that will work with the valve. You canÂt mix manufactures valves and trim kits, you have to use Moen trim kits with Moen valves. Once you have the valve you can contact the manufacturer to see what trim kits will work with the valve.

Hope this helps

The Brantford is a series of faucet products which includes both sink and shower types. The sink faucets come complete. When you buy one of these shower faucets you do need to specify the type of valve (IPS or CC connection, with or without stops). There are some online retailers who will sell you the faucet without the valve, but then you don't have a complete faucet.

stash-hdy and ramona1976 -thanks for all your help! It definitely clarifies things for me. Ramona1976- that is exactly what I saw, some online retailers selling without the valve for a bath faucet. I couldnt figure out why they were selling it like that for the particular model I was interested in and not other models by the same manufacturer.

I liked the brantford! but when I saw it needed a valve I priced the one they listed and it is $75. Now my $150 faucets it over $200. I immediately crossed this one off my list.

It really depends on the type of valve you are using! Some need one, while others do not. Read the description and the pricing and you should be able to tell whether it needs a valve or not, especially if it comes with you faucet. I read some information from https://www.valvefittingstore.com/