Return to the Plumbing Forum | Post a Follow-Up

 o
Why does water get cold so quickly?

Posted by jb3710 (My Page) on
Sat, May 25, 13 at 12:39

We are in the Washington DC area. We have a new 66 gallon electric water heater in the basement, upper and lower are around 125 degrees. Average size, 2XXX sq ft house. Kids get a bath at 7:30, turn dishwasher on at 9:45, take shower at 10PM. We have a rain shower head, which I'm sure use sa lot of water, but we don't turn it on full blast by any means. We get maybe 6, 7 minutes of hot water. Then no more hot water in house.

Our master bath is the farthest away from the basement, but it's not a huge house. Our bath is above the garage, but I did just insulate all the hot water pipes in the garage ceiling, plus the insulation and drywall.

Is this really normal? We notice a dramatic difference during the winter months in water temperature. During winter we get like 5 minutes of hot water (and that's with not running the dishwasher, clothes washer, etc.)

Either way, I really can't expect more hot water than this? Do I really need to get an instant hot water heater for my one bathroom? That seems crazy?!?

Thanks for any info or suggestions!!
James


Follow-Up Postings:

 o
RE: Why does water get cold so quickly?

IIRC, the general rule is a tank water heater provides approx 2/3 of its gallon size in usable heated water. So a 66 gal tank gives you about 44 gallons of "usable" 125°F water ... although of course you get more effective capacity in a shower when the hot flow is tempered by adding cold.

Don't guess at the gpm rate of that rainfall shower. Measure it by timing the fill of a 1-gal bucket at whatever is the flow rate you normally run. Also check the manufacturer specs for comparison against your timing test.

All that being said, maybe your water heater should be checked for a bad element.


 o
RE: Why does water get cold so quickly?

dadoes, your general rule (which I think is more like 80/20) is just for electric water heaters, not gas. With an electric one, the area below the lower element is typically unheated (cold). With a gas unit, the burner is at the bottom so that the whole tank heats up.

Additionally, the recovery (the time it takes to reheat a tank of cold water) is lethargic with an electric unit. While a gas one can often reheat a cold tank in an hour or less, an electric one can take 2-3 hours. So that when the hot water in an electric's tank is used, that's it for a long while.

jb3710, once you've filled a bathtub or two and then started the dishwasher, there's not much hot water left to use from a 65 gallon electric tank. If you want to do all that usage within a period that's too short for an electric heater to recover (presuming gas is not available), you'll need either another heater plumbed in parallel or a larger sized tank.

You'll get a bit more capacity by turning up the temperature setting. If your dishwasher has an internal heater for water, it'll work fine with cold water, start it after your shower and bathe the kids earlier.

This post was edited by snidely on Sat, May 25, 13 at 17:32


 o
RE: Why does water get cold so quickly?

The kids will only get bigger and those quick tub baths will turn into long showers. You need to look at a long term solution. Like putting in an 80-100 gallon heater. Preferably gas. Or, doing a gas tankless for your master and still upgrading the tank size for the kids/utility end of the house.


 o
RE: Why does water get cold so quickly?

Need more information. Children bathe at 7:30-- we get that. Do the children get only a few minutes of hot water or do they get all that they want? The next use at 9:45 should have plenty of hot water even if the heater was started from cold at 7:30. So is the few minutes of hot water at all times or only after 9:45?


 o
RE: Why does water get cold so quickly?

Have you maybe lost your lower element?

I recently lost the function in my lower element. It meant that all of the sudden our hot water time in the shower was cut extremely short (5-10 minutes). We only have a 50 gallon tank, all electric.

I noticed that if I left it long enough, we'd have hot water again, so knew my entire hot water tank hadn't failed.

Turns out, the lower element does most of the work in a hot water heater and ours failed. Replaced it (not an expensive part, but the plumber to hire was expensive. Had I known how easy it was to do, I'd have done it myself. The next time though, we'll likely be due for a new tank).

Ours happened to fail about the time of a remodel. Coincidental. Perhaps yours is the same. Maybe the rainhead has less to do with a drastically short shower time than you think.


 o
RE: Why does water get cold so quickly?

When the tank has had plenty of time to recover, run the nearest tap until fully hot, and measure the temperature. You may find that the tank setting isn't as hot as you think.

I run my (gas) tank hotter than that, but I do not have any children in the house.


 o
RE: Why does water get cold so quickly?

Really good one question. And i really appreciate your thought.


 o Post a Follow-Up

Please Note: Only registered members are able to post messages to this forum.

    If you are a member, please log in.

    If you aren't yet a member, join now!


Return to the Plumbing Forum

Information about Posting

  • You must be logged in to post a message. Once you are logged in, a posting window will appear at the bottom of the messages. If you are not a member, please register for an account.
  • Posting is a two-step process. Once you have composed your message, you will be taken to the preview page. You will then have a chance to review your post, make changes and upload photos.
  • After posting your message, you may need to refresh the forum page in order to see it.
  • Before posting copyrighted material, please read about Copyright and Fair Use.
  • We have a strict no-advertising policy!
  • If you would like to practice posting or uploading photos, please visit our Test forum.
  • If you need assistance, please Contact Us and we will be happy to help.


Learn more about in-text links on this page here