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| 80 gallon electric water heater, AO Smith. Well water supply. No water softener. Water is hard. Showering has in the past few days, has become a rather lukewarm experience. Other faucets in the house showing same temperature issue.
My first thought was that one of the electric heating coils in the water heater has stopped working. Other thought was that there may be a lot of scale buildup on the heating coils that needs to be cleaned off. Another odd thing recently, seeming to coincide with the drop in maximum temperature of the water, air bubbles have been coming through the fixtures consistently now. It seems to be restricted to the hot water side of the faucets. What should I look for here? Drain the water heater and pull the coils out? Is there a way to test them? |
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- Posted by justalurker (My Page) on Sat, Mar 6, 10 at 10:57
| "My first thought was that one of the electric heating coils in the water heater has stopped working. Other thought was that there may be a lot of scale buildup on the heating coils that needs to be cleaned off". You're right on those points... If you have a dead element that can be replaced. If your water is hard and you haven't been routinely draining your water heater then you probably have a considerable buildup of solids at the bottom of the tank that may be restricting the flow of the drip tube. Hard water, especially well water, kills water heaters prematurely along with plumbing, fixtures, and appliances. Good time to cure the disease instead of treating the symptom... it'll cost you a lot less money in the long run. When was the last time you had a comprehensive water test done? |
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| I am going to drain the water tank a bit today and see what comes out. There is a prefilter on the incoming well water, just an Ace Hardware cartridge unit in a clear housing. It has been using the current cartridge for about 3 months now. I probably should change that out as well. Are the water heater coils something I need to get specifically from AO Smith? Or are they generic in design and can be picked up at the hardware store? Just had the water test results emailed to me the other day. High in sodium. I will eventually be adding a water softener, the suggestion was to go with a unit that can use potassium. Here are the highlights from the water testing. HIGHLIGHTS: Saturation Index: Predicts either potential for corrosion or scaling properties of water. The SI is balanced Conductivity: Conductivity is a measure of the ability of water to conduct electricity. Conductivity increases Sodium (Na): the concentration of sodium in this sample exceeds 20 parts per million (ppm). EPA has not Arsenic: is present but at low levels. EPA suggests treatment if level is 5ppb or higher. The value in your Sulfate (SO4 |
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- Posted by justalurker (My Page) on Sat, Mar 6, 10 at 11:29
| If the hardness and sediment has solidified you may get nothing, a slow dribble, or clear water out the drain and once you crack the drain open it may not seal again so be ready for that possibility. Don't need a dissertation just the numbers. Arsenic at 4ppm is borderline and you should consider treating that. Are these test results coming from a certified lab? Living on a well requires more knowledge and more maintenance than living on a water system does. You are responsible for making the water nice and SAFE. Any ion exchange water softener can use either NaCl or KCl as a regenerent. |
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| Solved the problem. The lower heat element was basically resting on top of a huge layer of deposits, and had apparently overheated and burst, exposing the interior wire. It was supposed to be a 4500w element, but at some point was changed to a 3800w. The upper heating element, 4500w, had some scale, but was easily cleaned by soaking a while in vinegar. I used a reducer on my wet/dry vac that goes down to 1 inch. Then I cut a 30" section of garden hose and taped that to the reducer. I proceeded to vacuum out the deposits through the lower heat element hole. It took a good hour to get about 98% of it out. I estimate that it was about 12-15lbs of loose deposits. Mostly small flaky stuff, but some bigger chunks as well. I checked with a flashlight, and there did not seem to be anything really adhering to the tank, just mainly loose particles. Ace Hardware had a replacement element of proper wattage this time. Those went back in and the tank refilled partly and flushed out a few gallons oof murky water. Then I let the tank fill completely. The house faucets opened for a few minutes to purge the air. Then I got the electric back on, checked for leaks, all was fine. Yes, it was a certified water test lab. |
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- Posted by justalurker (My Page) on Sun, Mar 7, 10 at 0:58
| So, you treated the symptom and now can consider curing the disease. The deposits doesn't stick to the walls of the tank as much as scrape and damage the glass lining. Then the water gets to the steel underneath and a slow death begins. Numbers are good, now the denominators? 424, 297, 347, 28.4, 2.42 WHAT? Ounces, gallons, gpm, mg/l, ppm, ppb? I know what they are but other people need to understand. You have hard water with considerable TDS and should be looking at a correctly sized water softener treating the whole house and an RO under the kitchen sink. You'll cut down the wear and tear on your plumbing, appliances, and fixtures. You'll use less soap and detergents and your clothes will last longer. |
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| Thanks. Will be installing an RO unit under kitchen sink, and a water softener using potassium regenerant. --------------------------------- Bacteria m-ColiBlue24® Test m-ColiBlue24® Test m-ColiBlue24® Test Hardness (G) Iron, Total (Fe PP G) Manganese, HR (Mn PP G) Total Dissolved Solids Sodium (Na G) Nitrogen, Nitrate (G) Arsenic Manganese, HR (Mn PP G) Magnesium (Mg G) PH 7.9 |
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- Posted by justalurker (My Page) on Sun, Mar 7, 10 at 12:43
| The secret to success in water treatment is premeditation. Take your time, do your homework, and stay away from big box stores... you'll do fine. |
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