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When does a water heater not require a T&P valve

lazypup
12 years ago

Here is a simple question that any first year apprentice can answer.

Under what circumstance do you not install a Temperature & Pressure relief valve on a water heater??

Comments (10)

  • dadoes
    12 years ago

    I'm not even a 1st-week plumbing apprentice, but AFAIK only if it's a tankless unit, as per if allowed by local codes.

  • lazypup
    Original Author
    12 years ago

    There is one instance when a tank type unit IS NOT fitted with a T&P valve

  • lazypup
    Original Author
    12 years ago

    I'll give you a hint, this situation commonly found in residential applications and sadly nearly every one is installed incorrectly even thought the solution is common to all plumbing codes.

    And sadly, even many plumbers do it wrong

  • davidro1
    12 years ago

    if it is the first of two in series, it requires other things than a T&P valve. The last in the series gets the T&P valve.

  • lazypup
    Original Author
    12 years ago

    Wrong,,,,the T&P valves are sized to the burners and even when two or more are in series or tandem, each must have its own T&P except for one circumstance.

  • lazypup
    Original Author
    12 years ago

    I am referring to standard water heaters that operate at the standard line pressure for potable water..and I can assure you, it is in the NC code

  • zl700
    12 years ago

    a. Pressure vessels used for heating water or storing water at pressures above atmospheric shall be protected by approved safety devices in accordance with one of the following methods:
    1. A separate pressure relief valve and a separate temperature relief valve; or
    2. A combination pressure and temperature relief valve; or
    3. Either "a" or "b" above and an energy cut-off device.
    4. Tank construction conforming to a standard that does not require a temperature or pressure safety or relief valve.

  • lazypup
    Original Author
    12 years ago

    zl700 has the answer, but now let me explain a bit futher.

    Code mandates that when a T&P valve is installed we must attach a FULL BORE gravity flow drain line to the output of the T&P valve. All horizontal portions of that drain line must be pitched at a minimum of 1/4" per foot downward towards the discharge end of the pipe and the pipe MUST BE terminated outside the structure or into an approved indirect waste receptor.

    At a minimum, if the water heater is installed in an unfinished basment or utility vault that has a floor drain, the line from the T&P may go straight down and discharge at a point not more than 18" above the floor. The water may then run across the floor to a floor drain or sump pit.

    It may also be run to a utility sink, floor drain or sump pit providing the discharge end of the line remains a minimum of 2" above the flood level rim of the receptor.

    HOWEVER: in some instances such as in homes served by a septic tank or where the municipal sewer lines are shallow the house main drain enters the structure at an elevation which is too high to achieve a gravity floor floor drain or even a utility sink and some of those structures do not have a sump pit.

    In a situation where you cannot achieve a gravity flow to an approved waste receptor such as described above, the T&P valve is removed and replaced with a WATTS 210 gas valve. The gas supply line for the water heater is then connected to the input side of the Watts 210 gas valve and a line is connected from the output side of the gas valve to the water heater burner contol. If the temp or pressure in the water heater were to then exceed the mandated limits the Watts 210 valve will shut off the gas supply to the burner.

    When the Watts 210 valve is installed on the water heater you must then go to a convenient point above grade and install a "pressure relief valve" and terminate that through the wall to the exterior or into an approved waste receptor.

  • davidro1
    12 years ago

    1./ if gas water heater
    1./.a./ if drain out of house is higher than basement floor
    1./.a./ A./ if there is NO sump pump
    Then use a gas shutoff.
    ANd also, do not intall a T&P

    (?)

    is this it?
    is this clear?
    is this common?
    is this really the way it is? Not to install a T&P?

    ?