Thanks all and appreciate the link Dave. They really were SVB larvae, identical to the pictures and tons of frass. I wonder what a pupa looks like - I can't really tell from the pics in the link. Anyway, I already replanted yellow squash seedlings and zuke seeds in new mix before reading Dave's post. It may be too late to try again, but it stays warm here until October at least with no frost until November so it can't hurt! I just posted a reply to someone else's post about SVBs ("the AUDACITY") asking if there is a date by which the moths go away. But then I just read an article that said the south may have 2 generations per year. If anyone has knowledge about this, would appreciate. Thanks again for the replies. I need squash! :-)

There isn't any way around it, when you spray something to kill something, you're going to kill something else. Pyrethrins aren't any less toxic to bees and is likely more so to other beneficials than Spinosad. For me, the Spinosad makes more sense because I have less slug and far more leaf miner to deal with. And, I just like the idea of it being bacterial than chemical. According to Oregon State University, pyrethrins are toxic to honey bees. If you were to spray at dusk when bee activity is less, you'll probably affect fewer of them, mostly those who try to spend the night in your rose flowers. They're the culprits for my bee stings. They always happen when deadheading and it's always due to my grabbing the bloom to be cut and awakening the sleeping bee. Oregon State says: Pyrethrins are highly toxic to fish and tadpoles. They affect their skin touch receptors and balance organs (4). � Pyrethrins are toxic to beneficial insect (such as honeybees) and many aquatic invertebrates (4). � Pyrethrins are low in toxicity to humans, other mammals, and birds (4). So, even though they're not as toxic as many others, they do have toxicity to fish, tadpoles and bees, like everything else does. Kim Here is a link that might be useful: Pyrethrins at Oregon State

Much to my dismay, the lilies I received from a friend turned out to be ditch lilies. Those suckers are everyWHERE! I'm getting out roundup. I can't believe it! ARRRRUUUGH. I have decided where to grow gooseneck loosestrife and I am willing to put up with it to keep it in check. Problem is, there are two areas I need to eradicate it from and that's not going to be easy. PLUS, I have a ton of dandelions and henbit this year - worse than last year. I'm out there spraying and pulling.

I focus on the 32F, Bonnie, but it becomes the "town closest," or to the hill above the town, to the neighborhood, to out front/under the tree . . . The frost will form on the roof of the vehicle in the driveway but there will be none on the lawn on the other side of the fence - with the same blue sky above. We can say that the dandelion, or any plant, is simply responding to what has been happening in its immediate environment. Of course, that is not a 100% indication of what "will happen" in its environment. But, what can be valued in the phenological signs are the immediateness in space and time of plant responses. About 30 days ago, something happened which set another something in motion for the plant. Given certain conditions, another so many days will pass and something else will occur. I suspect that some of these environmental prompts are no more than a few weeks in the past. The plant's internal processes are set on a course that show results in a fairly short time. The Weather Service's measurements cover a century, or so. Averaging indicates frost, or near frost, or hard frost. This year's data hasn't yet been recorded. One of the criticisms of the WS is that, often, even this decade's data hasn't been factored in. Nevertheless, we are coming down to the greatest influence on spring warmth of all: the sun and the angle of the sunlight on our environment. The calendar is our indicator of that but I cannot ignore, the dandelion. Steve linked below are observations made over the previous decade by a community group in Minnesota. it is truly confined to place. i assume that the "first dandelion" is a recording of the first dandelion bloom, not the appearance of seed. Here is a link that might be useful: Signs of Spring: Maplewood, Minnesota