9 years later, and those of us who picked up a Toro Recycler used like myself thought that was the reason the guy was selling the mower. The handle bar comes to just above my knees. I thought it operator error, but thanks to this blog, I know it is a Toro manufacturing error. Seriously no excuse for Toro to have allowed what is obviously a design flaw to get thru production. What's worse, there should have been a recall to fix the handle bars of these mowers. Not like they were cheap to buy new. But how many years did Toro make this mower, and not even go and fix this defect? Once again proving to the world Honda is still the reigning champ when it comes to lawn mowers. And they don't even have lawns in Japan! C'mon Toro get your head out of thy butt! Thanks everybody. Time for some good old fashioned ingenuity, but alot less skill to fix the handle bars.. lol! By the way, maybe removing the Toro bars, and replacing the bars from another model or brand could also be the way to go. People put out old lawn mowers at the curb all the time, keep an eye out and it won't even cost ya any $$ chedder.

Do you have pics that you could post? -Jmcat

Thank you for your response! I'll try to answer your question below define poorly installed batts. We have gaps between bats AND some sections where batts don't lie flat on the attic floor. Builder's insulation subcontractor originally tried taking the 9inch thick batts and slicing them in thirds (like slicing bread) to make three 3 inch batts that he thought I would accepts as the correct insulation! These were laid between joists. When I caught onto the subterfuge, he claimed that he hadn't been aware of the cheating but would make sure the insulation was done over properly. Instead, he allowed them to just drape 9 inch batts perpendicularly across the joists over the top of the 3 inch thick slices. Because it was very difficult for me to get up into the attic (attic ladder hadn't yet been installed), I trusted builder to make sure it was done over correctly. It wasn't and it is a MAJOR mess. To the extent that we are able to reach the batts, we intend to pick them up and reposition them correctly or just take them out. But there are areas behind the heaters that the only way to reach is by crawling over the heaters so we were hoping we could just blow insulation into those areas without first repositioning (or taking out) the batts. Guess not. do you have service platforms around the units? there should be a 3' walkway to and around units for service. The units both lay beside a platform so it is easy enough to get to one side but there is no walkway "around" them. check & see if batts were installed under unit platforms and walkways...water heaters too if they are in the attic. there are batts between the joists that the units sit on. Whether the batts extend the entire distance under the units were only put in place at the very edges to make it look like underneath the units was insulated, I honestly don't know. Will have to pull a couple out to check. Thanks for suggestion. understand that under heating system you'll only have R-30, which is code here in La. how about in Tx? at max we put R-38. We're outside of a code restricted area but under our contract the builder was supposed to have built to meet code requirements of the nearest major metro area which, at that time was R-30 in the attic. New recommendations for this area are R-50. I'm not sure what the nearest metro code now requires. I don't know what value you plan to insulate to... what is your goal? and what is the purpose of the added insulation? We would like to get as close to R-50 as possible even if some parts of the roof are only insulated to R-30 or lower. Seems like it is good to insulate as much of the attic as possible to R-50 to reduce heat transfer between attic and living areas. I find it is usually air leakage into the house that people try to solve by adding insulation. it never works unless the new insulation both insulates and air seals. (foam ins) with propane you'd have to add combustion air if you foamed the roofline. many insulation companies don't understand how to do this...nor to hvac companies. air sealing is easier with batts than with any other insulation. move the batt...do the air sealing... put the batt back. Not sure I totally understand you here. Our attic is not sealed. We have ridgeline vents and soffit vents. So far I haven't seen any signs of inadequate ventilation in the attic and I know that we need to leave space for air to circulate between soffit vents and ridge vent. We intend to be sure to leave the baffles in place and not block either end. As for air infiltration into the house, the house is pretty tightly sealed. We fired the builder before the interior walls were insulated or sheetrocked and I personally went around with cans of spray foam filling in every crack where I could see light coming thru the exterior shell. All the gaps around exterior electrical plugs, etc. Then we hired a different insulation sub to install the wall batts and I checked every piece of it before sheetrocking started. So, the house is tight. do you have recessed lights? IC or ICAT? the IC lights are a big leakage to living space. We do have recessed lights. They are ICAT. (I've checked). were ducts mastic sealed? or just duct/foil tape? returns in attic mastic sealed? I don't know. What should I look for to find out? And if just duct/foil tape sealed, what is the proper way to fix it and is this a job a homeowner can do or will we need to hire pros? I'm assuming this should probably be done before blowing in additional insulation so one is not having to tromp over and thru the blown in insulation to reach the ducts to work on them.

Playing "Twister"??? Beats me, hope it's not x rated!