Thank you all for your replies :) I'm not sure of it could be a Rugosa? They are sold around here sometimes so it is a possibility, but I don't know if the leaves/bloom etc fits . . . Trospero - I would lean towards rootstock too, as it seemed to be own-root (when I moved it) and almost no nursery around here sells ownroot roses. Also it had been in shade and neglected for so long, I wouldn't be at all surprised if the rose died and the rootstock took over. I do know that it seems to sucker. It will also stretch up really long canes if necessary to try to find some light, but I'm guessing that most roses do that. I will keep an eye to see if it reblooms or not this summer. I think I remember it setting hips last year as well, but my memory is a bit foggy. So we're thinking R. Canina? I know that I wouldn't want to grow R.Multiflora as a rose because it seems to be a carrier for serious rose diseases . . . does the same go for R.Canina or would it be fine to grow in the garden?

Jean - I do keep them all brushed out. Every week they all get brushed out thoroughly. It's funny, the one who needs it the least (because her fur is short) loves getting brushed the most. The other three cats don't like being brushed out quite as much but they tolerate it. Whether they need it or not, they all get brushed every Monday (the dog too). I've seen some long haired cats who's fur is so matted that they really need to be shaved! I certainly don't want any of mine looking like that....... Cindy - Jake tolerates the cats but he is definitely the odd man out. He could take or leave them. Since Jake was the first one to come, one would think he'd be the boss but the cats seem to get pushy at times. He puts up with a lot from them, luckily he has a very good temperment. As for the cats getting along. Here's how it goes. Henry and Tucker are best buddies. They are the two youngest. Daphne can't stand any of the other cats. She loves people though and is the very first to greet any visitor that comes and wants to be on their lap as soon as they sit down. Emma also doesn't like any of the other cats but LOVES Jake. Henry and Tucker are okay with Daphne. They get into scuffles sometimes but Daphne is a brute and has no problem putting them in their place. Tucker and Henry do not like Emma at all. For some reason Tucker and Emma especially don't like each other and have got into a few knock down drag out fights off and on. Nobody gets hurt but the fur does fly! It's funny how the dynamics work between them. I can't even begin to figure it out! Jason P.S. Here's another picture I thought everyone would like: ALL LINED UP AND READY FOR A NAP!!! haha (this was before we had Tucker)

Donna - my library is just 4 me, or those I show, not 'published' Thank you. DoCO - MMM had a scape last year but I completely missed the flower, drats. No sign of scape as yet thus year. Watched pots don't boil. Mark Hanner wants a piece but when I tried to get a division all I got was 4 stalks with leaves, so I had to send his neighbor home empty-handed. New spring pips next year should give better results - way too big to dig up . . .

Yeah, I don't have Folklore ...yet. ;-) Let's get the top-level eliminations done first of all. Your photos and description show me your mystery-rose is definitely *not* Seashell Today Coral Sea Montezuma. Folklore's fragrance is rated as Intense ...and its leaves are rated as Glossy. I'm also leaning away from your orange mystery-rose being Arizona ...whose petals tend to quill noticeably more than yours appear to. But as we've all seen, Arizona blooms look so different in so many locations, I can't quite count it out entirely. Your photos and your description of the blooms' form and color, and the bush's growth-habit (very tall & "narrow"), immediately reminded me of a rose in my yard that I forgot to include on my "Long-Lasting Blooms" list. It is Sundowner - which is a grandiflora, thus matching your rose's bloom-habit. Take a look at the photos at HelpMeFind. Also "matching" is the fact that my two Sundowner bushes were purchased as bodybags at WalMart, like yours. But mine were correctly labeled ...I think. ;-) As I said, your desription of your rose's blooms and their "behavior" matches my Sundowner perfectly. But... mine has at least medium-strength fragrance. Also, its older leaves have leathery texture ...but not what I'd call "very" leathery. To my eyes, they are medium-green, and at least somewhat semi-glossy. You said your rose has "50+ petals." I've gotta ask, is that an estimation, or the result of doing an average-petals-per-bloom count with several blooms? Also, was that a Spring Flush count, or from a later flush? The reason I'm asking is, Sundowner is rated at only 35 petals. Note: I did a 3-bloom petal-count a few minutes ago. My most-mature Sundowner bush produces blooms which average about 40 petals. (Your rosebush appears to be *quite* mature, and thus might be producing higher petal-numbers.) When I was outside counting, I took a "sideview" photo of a just-opening bloom, to show the orange petals with yelow base ...and also made a "whole bush" shot. I'll post them for you over in the Rose Gallery ...or, email them to you. Whatever method you prefer. Sundowner might be incorrect. The fragrance-level and leaf-leatheriness factors don't seem to match. But Sundowner sure does match your grandiflora mystery-rose's described bloom-color, "ageing-appearance," and bloom-form. Regards, JohnReb