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Cats suddenly peeing outside litter box sometimes- LONG!

Michalyn
9 years ago

Hi- thanks for reading! We have two sister tortie cats that's we've had since they were two months old, and are now 3 yo. Since day one, they've only ever used the litter box- except for two occasions- both related to them not having access to the litter box. They even made it through a 2500 mile cross country road trip when we moved 18 months ago without a hitch, then lived for three months in a strange house with other cats and dogs and strange people, then the move into our new home. They were kept away from the dogs and other cats, but you could tell they were aware of them and totally freaked out- still, no accidents.

Two months ago we got a puppy. Of course they weren't happy about it and at first stayed downstairs (puppy was only upstairs at first)- the puppy is actually better with them than we expected- she approaches them and waits to see what their reaction is, and then when they start hissing hysterically, she leaves them alone- though, lately, she has been chasing the one that is dumb enough to run (Taz) for short bit- the other cat (Ami) is smart and just holds her ground and hisses if the puppy gets too close- she'll even approach the puppy to check her out and try to steal her food.

About 3 weeks after we got the dog, my husband bought the new Tidy Cats litter box system- which sounded like a great concept. We followed the directions and within a week they were using just that and the old, all-natural clay based litter they used to use in their covered litter box was gone.

Then it started- I walked into the utility room, where their litter box is, and found Ami (the one who seems to not mind the dog as long as dog doesn't come too close) peeing on some laundry in front of washer. I checked the litter box, 5 feet away, and there wasn't any feces (with the Breeze system the poo sits on top of the pellets and the pee filters down through the pellets, through a grate and into a tray under the box which has an absorbent pad- like a diaper or puppy training pad that collects all the urine), but the pad was near full- not completely full, but full enough that I thought that maybe the smell was too strong for her and that is what made her pee elsewhere. So we changed the pad more often- they still used the box, that was plenty obvious, and never pooed outside it- I just sometimes found that one of them had peed on some clothes again that were in the utility room. So we decided to do away with the old litter box system and go back to the old one that had worked fine.

Its been a couple weeks now, and we're still having issues. Haven't seen anymore in the utility room- but a blanket in my husband's office was covered in it (don't know who did this), and I guess Taz (who runs from dog) peed on my pc keyboard right in front of one of the kids.

So at first we thought it was the change in litter box, but now we're wondering if its stress from the dog- or maybe a combo of both? The one cat- Ami- doesn't seem to be stressed by dog at all, but I've caught her in the act. The other- Taz, maybe stressed, but why all of the sudden weeks after the dog came? And its not like she has to deal with the dog all the time- she stays downstairs mostly, the dog up- they rarely cross paths and its only when she freaks out and runs that the dog will start to chase. The peeing on my keyboard, and my husband's office blanket, seems like it may be personal - like they're trying to tell us something. They are still using the regular litter box- and its not like we're always finding new places they've peed- just a handful. But I'm worried its becoming a real problem and could escalate.

Any thoughts? Suggestions on how to get them stop? Aside from getting rid of dog :P I've read some about wall plug-ins that emit a scent that is calming to cats- but it looks really expensive- not sure I could afford that, especially if it only works for some cats.

Thank you!!

Comments (5)

  • laurief_gw
    9 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    The first thing you need to do is train the puppy NOT to chase either cat under ANY circumstances, even if the cat runs. If the cat is running from the puppy (not in play), then the cat is being badly stressed. Inappropriate urination can be a symptom of stress, and stress may cause actual urinary disease, which often also results in inappropriate urination. The cat who does not appear to be stressed by the dog may be responding to the urine smells outside of the litterbox, and that may trigger her to do the same.

    Most likely, your cats' behaviors are stemming from the undisciplined and untrained behavior of your puppy. Your more timid cat no longer feels safe in her own home. She shouldn't have to hide from the puppy in order to feel protected. The puppy's bad behavior needs to be stopped and corrected immediately.

    The cats are definitely telling you something here, and the sooner you listen, the better your chances of reversing their responses.

    I recommend taking both cats to your vet for a physical exam to see if they have developed any type of urinary medical issue.

    It's also critically important that you effectively clean every spot where the cats have urinated outside of the litterbox. You'll need an enzymatic cleaner formulated to eliminate pet odors. Regular household cleaners won't do it. You'll also need to keep clothes and blankets off of the floor.

    The Feliway diffusers may help calm your cats' nerves, and they're a lot cheaper than repeated vet visits and carpet cleanings. But you're correct; they don't work with all cats.

    Laurie

  • annzgw
    9 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Yes, the dog is definitely the problem and a new litter box just added more stress (stick to basic boxes and natural type litter).
    To add to Laurie's answer....... with 2 cats you need another litter box. You should have at least one box per cat in the household.
    Also observe how much privacy/safety the cats have from the dog when they use the litter box, and are they in a quiet and secure area when they eat.

  • ardcp
    9 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    my two older cats peed on my husbands bed after a change from feline pine to worlds best litter. it took a vet visit to test their urine and a conversation with the vet when the urine came back normal to figure it out.
    flash forward 4 years, we have 2 new kittens one if whom is peeing outside one box. same story, took the cat to the vet, tested the urine. urine is normal so it is just behavioral. vets advice was to have 1 more box than cats. we have 6 box for 4 cats so that isn't it. i plugged in the feliway diffuser near the scene of the crime so hopefully that will help.
    if the cat's urine tests fine, try to go back to the old litter.
    i have a torti. she is quirky to say the least and i have yet to meet a vet or other pro that has met a torti that isn't moody/quirky/high maintenance. when i say i have a torti, i get laughs about the tortitude you get with these creatures:)

  • harebelle
    9 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    "Any thoughts? Suggestions on how to get them stop? Aside from getting rid of dog :P I've read some about wall plug-ins that emit a scent that is calming to cats- but it looks really expensive- not sure I could afford that, especially if it only works for some cats."

    Too many times this happens, people simply MUST have a puppy then wonder why the cats don't react well. That dog needs to be absolutely contained when in the house. You have effectively displaced the cats with the unrestrained dog, and their reaction is completely normal. What you need to do is get the cats to the vet -NOW- to rule out physiological damages caused by the traumatic upheaval in their home. You really don't have a choice, the cats need professional help. The dog needs to be restrained and trained from the moment it enters the home til the day it dies. You need vertical elements in the home so the cats can escape the dog and maneuver the rooms without needing to use the floor where they're just going to be chased. You need to restore their former litter pan and substrate, and please add at least one, and preferably two more pans in different areas where the dog cannot waylay the cats. The pheromone plug-ins seem to work wonders in homes with only a few cats so you owe it to them to at least try it. Not being able to afford these steps means that you cannot afford to have pets. You're not being fair to any of them if you cannot afford their needs.

    Yes, I am being harsh, but I don't believe in glossing over terrible mistakes. I've seen far too many cats thrown out by people who displace them with puppies. Your responsibility is to the cats FIRST.

  • jensyen ( z7 MD )
    9 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Laurief mentioned this in the first posted answer. Please take your cats to the vet and get a check up.
    I had a cat who lived without dogs around who started peeing in odd places. Took the cat to a vet who found a urinary tract infection. After treatment my cat returned to normal litter box use.
    Good Luck, Jen

    This post was edited by jensyen on Mon, Oct 27, 14 at 13:29