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what to feed puppy

Posted by lwk1219 (My Page) on
Fri, Apr 17, 09 at 8:07

I have a 4 month old Yorkiepoo. When I got her the breeder gave her Science Diet. I switched to Innova kibble for puppies. I did the dumb thing of giving her some people food.. healthy of course. Well now she refuses to eat her puppy food. I bought some Innova puppy canned and mix about a tablespoon in with her kibble. Let's just say, it did not agree with her. I asked the vet and he said to try the Natural balance or Avoderm and mix it with the Innova kibble. He said it's less rich than the Innova puppy canned. How do you know which flavors to use? I was leaning towards the Natural Balance, and everyone seems to talk about the duck and sweet potato. Also when I mix the Innova canned in her kibble she'll try and pick out just the canned food and leave most of the kibble over. She is only 5 1/2 pounds. I feel like she has not eaten what she needs to eat in a few days. She seems fine though.

Should I switch to a different Kibble too? Are there samples to try? I hate buying bags of the stuff and throwing it out.. I also don't want to upset her tummy too much with too much switching.. *sigh* if I could only go back in time and not have given her people food..


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RE: what to feed puppy

tough love! decide what you want to feed her and stick to your guns. when she gets hungry, she'll eat.

natural balance is a very good food. i've been feeding it for some time (venison/sweet potato) but it's getting too expensive. with 2 corgis and a great dane, i'm going through a 28# bag in less than 2 weeks and at $52/bag, it's just getting to be too much. i am switching my dogs to chicken soup kibble and they're doing fine on it. much less expensive and still good food.

be careful when you switch foods. it should be gradual. mix some of the new with the old and increase the ratio over a few days. it wouldn't hurt for it to take up to a week for the switch to be made. if you run into problems with an upset tummy and/or diarrhea, give her some boiled chicken/white rice for a couple of days (no kibble) and then GRADUALLY add in the kibble.


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When you look at how much garbage goes into kibble and how unpalatable the stuff is, I am not surprised your dog wants people food - but you don't want it to turn into begging either. You are the alpha dog, your puppy gets fed after you! (either literally or figuratively)

Since you asked "what should I feed my puppy?" I will tell you my opinion, at the risk of starting a debate.

I suggest you buy and read the book I am putting in the link box at the bottom - "Natural Nutrition for Dogs and Cats" - Kymythy Schultze

She advocates a species-appropriate diet, of raw, unprocessed foods. In the dog's case, pretty much total avoidance of carbohydrates which is argued to be causing the huge increase in diabetes in dogs.

I am not a fanatic about such things but my dog developed severe gastric issues after being spayed, she could not keep anything down, and it got worse and worse. In the end all she could keep down was rice, protein powder and chicken broth, and, as a puppy, she was losing weight and going backwards. We found this book and connected the dots. I had already wondered about a raw diet, when I lived in Australia the BARF diet was well-accepted (Bones And Raw Food) and we looked at it again.

We haven't cured her, if she eats anything 'chunky' she tends to throw it up, but she is otherwise in perfect health (when I get a chance I will post the situation in this forum and see if anyone has any ideas) and is doing well, at age 3. Her weight stays very consistent and she has plenty of energy.

We buy the food - well the meat anyway - as a prepared "sausage" which contains whole food - ground bones, organ meat and meat. We add veges to it to simulate the stomach contents of the prey, as it were, a wild dog would eat the whole rabbit, entrails included.

Her droppings are firm and not at all objectionable, and a fraction of the size of her BFF, our neighbour's dog who is literally about a tenth of her size, yet poos more and larger than hers, evidence I guess of the filler.

It's not a cheap diet, we also give her a salmon oil extract and whole raw eggs (shell and all, also a species-appropriate thing) and I guess we spend about $150 CDN a month (and we get a discount) feeding her, but I am convinced she would not have survived otherwise. When we can afford it we may look at getting her x-rayed whilst swallowing, about the only other thing the vet thought we could do - when she first had the issue they gave her an endoscopy which showed a lot of inflammation of the oesophagus which the vet thought might have been caused by reflux happening from her hiatus valve being too relaxed by the anaesthetic.

Anyway, I would consider a raw diet if you can, or at least read the book (my dog was a fussy eater and not too interested in kibble when she was on it)

Here is a link that might be useful: Nutrition for Dogs - Kymythy Schultze


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Sit, down, take a deep breath and read on...first off, congrats on your new pup, second pull in the reins, you are worrying too much about your new addition. I would stick with natural balance and whatever kibble you choose. You might just blow off the canned food and give your pup some of their meat sticks, cut some off, put a plastic bag with a rubber band over the remaining, and put it in the fridge. Cut the slices up into cubes and serve your dog a handful - you may try a kibble or two THEN reward your dog with a piece of natural balance. Your problem - your dog has good taste and is a bit picky - no biggie. Just dont change too much food too quickly - go for a walk instead. Good luck


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You have to be VERY careful about feeding homemade diets not evaluated for puppies. I've seen a couple of cases of nutritional secondary hyperparathyroidism in puppies with inadequate calcium eating a homemade diet. There is also a case report in the latest JAVMA of a puppy being fed organic premix with raw meat having severe NSHP and neuropathy- it lived after several thousand dollars of supportive care.

I would just decide what you want to feed and give just that. Tough love is the answer. Of course if she doesn't eat anything in 2 days, or develops other symptoms such as vomiting, diarrhea, lethargy, coughing or anything out of the ordinary, then a trip to the vet is warranted.


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I went to the pet store today and the owner said to try Chicken Soup for the Pet Lovers Soul and gave me some free samples. She said it is very good choice for the finiky eater. I know to switch slowly, but as I put the few kibbles of the new stuff in.. she only ate the new food. So far no diarherra, but I'll see what she's left for me in her crate in the morning.. Tough love it is. I started with Innova because of it's wonderful ingredients. CSFTPLS also has good stuff.. no corn or anything of the sort. I'm sorry that your dog is not well, but at this point I have no intention of her a raw diet. Thank you all for posting.


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raw diets take a LOT of research and a LOT of dedication not to mention you need a ready supply of ingredients. it isn't simply a matter of throwing a bunch of chicken pieces and raw beef, etc., out.

i would love to be able to switch all of my dogs to raw but i would have to travel many miles in order to get what i would need.


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If you're prepared to pay for commercially prepared raw food, it's not that bad. Of course puppies have their own special requirements, but as for the research, I can vouch for the info in the book I linked to. When you look into it, it's pretty much how a dog would eat in nature.

There was a couple of "people who bought this book bought...." links to the guy who advocates raw, meaty bones. I presume he recommends other items to supplement them, but I know lots of people who have done that, or used chicken necks/backs (perfectly safe when raw in terms of bone splintering) - necks and wings would probably be about right for a Yorkie.

I agree it's not for everyone, if you feed them meaty bones you need a place for them to do it, our dog has a towel in the corner of the kitchen, if she's in there, she sits there, and any bones we give her (since we're feeding her the prepared raw diet) are not too messy, as they are not too meaty. Some people might not like the idea but the cleanup's minimal since we've trained her well.

Outside would be ok provided there's not going to be a smell or vermin problem, in our case the big concern is bears.

Ninapearl, if you're interested, I would recommend you skim through the book online on the Amazon site, you'll get the gist of how much work or not it is. With the prepared stuff you get bone meal, organ meat etc. We save vege scraps, put them in a food processor, and add them to the meat when we serve it, with some salmon oil, kelp powder and alfalfa powder, plus water.

This is one supplier in Canada:

http://www.urbancarnivore.com/html/contact_us/index.cfm

We sometimes get: http://www.rovingk9kare.com/index.php?/cbase/products "Taylor Made"

but normally we get ours from:

http://www.naturalinstincts.ca/

I'm not plugging them or affiliated with them in any way, but their websites may offer some info on how the prepped stuff works.

In my dog's case I don't think she would have survived without this type of diet, I guess the biggest hassle is having to keep it frozen as opposed to canned or kibble, still, if you are camping and have fresh meat, I guess it's a simple matter to keep the pet food with what you're keeping frozen, and they have those long-storage coolers now, and some people use dry ice to extend the freezing time.

Here is a link that might be useful: Urban Carnivore


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If Innova is too rich for your puppy I would look into Wellness, Nature's Variety, or California Natural all I think have samples. Dogs do well on different brands and diets so it's hard to say only the premium foods or raw diets are best.

I will say dogs usually do better on the higher quality foods. A higher quality food depends on the ingredients, but also the manufacturing process. As most brands out source to a handful of the same large manufacturing plants which is how you end up with several different dog food brands on a recall list. If a dog food company manufactures their own food (at their own private plant) and does all their own quality control testing you have a much less chance of having a recall.

Chicken Soup is made by a company called Diamond who doesn't have the best track record when it comes to quality control with their foods-they have had some recalls in the past.

As far as the picky eating-if she's not sick or isn't having teeth issues (being a puppy she could be having issues with eating hard dry food if her adult teeth are coming in). Then I would say she's just holding out for something better and I wouldn't give her a lot of treats or any human food. Tough love, like everyone else suggested sounds good to me.


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Feeding raw is not rocket science. We humans, well some of us, feed ourselves and our families diets consisting of recipes that start with raw, fresh ingredients, without a doctor's prescription, and we haven't killed ourselves yet.


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I tried feeding my two the raw diet and neither of them liked it. We went back to their Evo kibble. They each still get a whole, raw chicken neck daily. They'll do anything for those. :-)


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