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putting to sleep a cat that pees outside its box

missuchloey
12 years ago

There are no coincindents. thank you for your input armchairactivism. I had to put my cat down on Tuesday, and I felt HORRIBLE! I read your response after I returned from the SPCA, and you really helped me get through these past 2 days. I have such feelings of guilt, I felt I should have done more for my cat, but what else could have I done?...last month alone I spent over $700.00 in vet bills, xrays, blood work, medication, etc.. and my cat still was peeing outside her box. I bought new boxes, put out several boxes, tried every cat litter brand there is, and even locked my cat in her room for a day with her box.. with no positive results. My vet wanted me to get an abdominal ultrasound next, but I couldn't see what good that would do. My cat (who was my world) was 12 years old, and until December of 2011, she NEVER went to the bathroom outside her box. We did not have any changes in my home that would have triggered such actions. My last straw was when I watched her last Monday pee in my family room right in front of me. I had new flooring coming in on Tues (which cost over $4000.00) and I had to make a choice, the cat or my marriage. It got to the point that I was constantly arguing with my husband over the cat peeing. We thought the problem was resolved and ordered new flooring since we hadn't seen the cat pee in several weeks, and it appeared that she was using her box. Apparently she was only using it occasionally...the one thing that really still haunts me with guilt is that my cat appeared otherwise normal. The day I was bringing her to be put down, she was basking in the sun enjoying the nice weather. I heard cats hide their pain, and I really think that since she never pee'd outside the box before, something was very wrong and she must have been in pain but not showing it. I hope I'm not just trying to justify my actions, but I really miss my cat and feel horribly guilty and helpless now. Thank you armchairactivism for your input, you don't know how many times I keep reading your response to rationalize my decision. It is a horrifying thing to have to deal with, and I hope I never have to experience that again, but at least I know my cat isn't suffering anymore, and I truely believe she was in pain.

Comments (34)

  • Selenaserval
    11 years ago

    Cats will just start doing that even when there is nothing wrong with them. It's just the way they are.

  • megamuffins
    11 years ago

    She could of been, but maybe you should of put her up for adoption to be an outdoor cat that could have a safe and sturdy fenced in backyard so she wouldn't escape.

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    Robyn
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  • Vertise
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    I'm sure you've tried unscented litter, but I'll mention it anyway. Cats do not like perfume. Some also do not like odd textures (pellets, for instance).

    Have you tried isolating him to see if a clean box with only him using it makes a difference?

    Also, do not clean the litter box with any products containing clorox. It can cause irritation/cystitis which can consequently lead to urinating outside the box. Eliminating clorox has worked for eliminating cystitis here.

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  • kodi_Kanuck
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    Ok. I have a cat that is peeing and pooping everywhere but the kitty box. She does it on the clothes and in the middle of the living room. I have tried the citrus spraying, the extra kitty box litter, different kitty litter, the vet for check ups etc. We talk a lot about wether to put them to sleep or not. Who can tell me the answer to get her to stop pooping and peeing where she should not be. Enough with the ideology...I now need concrete examples

  • junebug1961
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    kodi, I'm afraid that in some cases, the cat is just aberrant and can't really be fixed. One of my friends tried everything with her cat. He was a newer addition to her mix of cats and he got very territorial and began marking everywhere, including her bed with her in it! Vet visits revealed no organic issues with him. She ended up giving him to a farm.

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  • Vertise
    10 years ago

    They don't like perfume or other scents, I assume you have tried eliminating that. They are going in the best and most comfortable or convenient place. Keep the box clean, clean, clean. Sand textures seem to go over better than, say, pellets under foot. Some don't like an enclosed box, no hood.

    Don't leave laundry baskets, boxes, piles of clothes around that will feed the behavior.

    Praise and maybe find a reward for when you see her using the box. Even just throwing a toy.

    This is an up side of not declawing. If an animal cannot be house trained, at least it can go live on a farm. Not the best outcome for one now accustomed to the soft life, but euthanization is not much of an option either.

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  • angiepangie
    10 years ago

    I see some people have responded to OP w/o reading her whole massage- the cat is gone so giving suggestions on how to further train the cat are not helpful.

    Also, it;s not true that declawed cat's can never live outside. I have had several shelters tell me that a declawed cat outdoors is better than a dead cat. I also have a personal friend who's cat is declawed- and is an outdoor cat (her colon doesn't function and she leaks feces all the time) and I have SEEN this cat climb trees and come back down. I don't know how she does it- but I have seen it so I know it is possible. BTW this woman runs a rescue- so I trust when she says it's better to let a cat live a shorter life outdoors then put it down.

    Having never been in the OP's situation it is hard for me to say what I would do- but I can imagine her frustration and financial situation, as well as I am sure she tried to look for a home for the cat.

    Also, you can't take a cat with issues to the humane society, etc- they won't take them because they won't get adopted out.

  • Vertise
    10 years ago

    "I see some people have responded to OP w/o reading her whole massage- the cat is gone so giving suggestions on how to further train the cat are not helpful."

    The conversation continued with others discussing similar problems. Regardless, suggestions are always helpful, for anyone else coming along in the future, not just the OP.

    My vet thinks it is irresponsible to let a declawed pet outside (previous owner of my girl let her outside). If I were in the situation, I would certainly research options for a declawed animal. But they do need claws to defend themselves. Saying they are not necessary is an over generalization. Some parts of the country have a lot of wild life to contend with, for instance. I also would be surprised if "every" cat is able to hunt without claws or figure out how to climb a tree without them. I think aptitude and survival skills would vary between individuals, just as they do with people. That being said, I remember my declawed girl coming home with a present while at her old house. Have no idea how she would or could defend herself with a racoon, fox, hawk. The latter two just scoop them up, with claws and teeth being their only hope for escape.

    I would not put an animal down for new flooring. I'd wait until they passed. If conditions were unlivable, I'd try to re-home. Sometimes they are fine in another environment. Can't remember if the animal was declawed or not and could live outdoors as a mousehand on a farm.

    Have also read about a supplement of some sort that makes cat urine not smell, which is a big problem with their urine.

    This post was edited by snookums2 on Wed, Aug 7, 13 at 14:14

  • stevediperna
    10 years ago

    Shave your cat. Honest to god, get it shaved. I had the same problem with my cat for two months and I had her shaved. She was good for three months, then she did it again for three days. Had her shaved and she stopped. Had her shaved two months later and she didnt do it again. I shave her every two months now. Its been 2 years and she is still not doing it.

  • Vertise
    10 years ago

    Why do you think shaving works, Steve?

  • Taraveah
    10 years ago

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    Now that she is also sick I will be putting her down in the next couple of days. Say what you will, tosiebeezelbub et al., but until you have experienced it firsthand, you can't really say what you would do.

  • efreezee
    9 years ago

    Honestly, I think you did the right thing. If you are ok with spending thousands of dollars over and over again, maybe i would of thought about keeping the cat but it seems like you did everything you could of possibly done so dont beat yourself up about it.

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    As a holistic and homeopathic animal medicine practitioner, I am absolutely horrified at this. I deal with and treat this issue on a weekly basis, successfully. I am both thankful and sorry that I did not see this at the time. How ignorant can one human possibly be??? That poor cat.

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  • lucillle
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    "How ignorant can one human possibly be???"

    If you want a cat or dog to change, you don't hit it or scream at it or insult it. And people are exactly the same.

    Using non aversive, small steps, just like you would teach a dog to sit, you can teach people how to better help their critters. Shaming them by calling them ignorant is not likely to change them or to help the critter.

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  • fumcat
    6 years ago

    This is for anyone who thinks less of someone for putting down a cat or dog. My grandfather was a vet. I grew up around animals -- dogs, cats, farm animals. It is never an easy decision to put a pet out of its misery. We just had our lovely black cat of 15 plus years put down today. We had him treated for a urinary tract infection and he was still peeing and pooping outside the box. He started to hide. He could not jump up on the bed as well as he used to. He was in pain, if for no other reason, arthritis in his back legs and spine. My husband is disabled and was very distraught over his special bed buddy having to be put down, but he made the ultimate decision. My husband and I could no longer clean up after our aged cat. The vet said that our "Junior" was in pain. For the one person who commented something to the effect that when one gets old (a person) I hope he gets put down, I just wish someone would do that for me. We treat our animals, our pets, many times more humanely than we do people. My grandfather would have been the first to say that Junior is hurting, his quality of life is not as good as it has been. Would you want him to continue to suffer? This is what the vet told us today. It is never easy, but as people, as the so-called image of God, we have a responsibility to animals to relieve them of suffering. Junior had bladder problems, and possible liver failure and for a 15-plus year cat, he lived a good life. Can we or should we judge those who are faced with this decision? For anyone who is facing this issue, please assess the quality of life of your pet. Does he enjoy the same things he used to do? Has his litter box or potty habits changed? Does he eat, drink, and play ( at least a little)? When you go to work and come back home, is your beloved pet in the same spot as when you left in the morning? If so, you may want a vet's impartial opinion. I only hope I have someone who will make such a decision for me when the time comes. We are all God's creatures and deserve the best that life can offer and that includes a painless and humane exit to our respective heavens. I only hope I meet all my pets when its my time to check out.

  • rob333 (zone 7b)
    6 years ago

    He started to hide. He could not jump up on the bed as well as he used
    to. He was in pain, if for no other reason, arthritis in his back legs
    and spine


    Um, that's more than peeing outside of the box. If it is ONLY the peeing, that's wrong. More means there's something going on and they're ill. No one is saying keep a totally ill cat alive. It's putting down an animal because of inconvenience, not because they're in pain. So yes, I will still say it is wrong to put them down over pee.

  • Missie Lee
    6 years ago

    Don't have children. Heaven forbid they pee the bed and u place them up for adoption

  • HU-979199418
    3 years ago

    Yeah that was definitely a horrible thing to do you should feel guilty

  • HU-204864930
    2 years ago

    To those who say ”clean it, no big deal, my cat does it every day”, your house stinks. It smells so bad it makes peoples eyes water and they leave with a headache. Thats suggesting you have friends or family who wish to visit your septic tank. You say we shouldnt have pets? Fair play-but you shouldnt have a house

  • HU-886247731
    2 years ago

    Its a boy Maine Coone thing. They do it when there is other cats outside the house to prove the house is theirs. Maine Coones are also very clean and kind of posh, so they wont go in their litters if it has even just one of their poops or wees still in it. They pee on your clothes to tell you to clean your room/bathroom. They spray the front door even after being neutered. They basically want their environment to be tidy and perfect. I would never put my guy down, but if anyone wants him, reply to this comment. They are gorgeous cats, but a true challenge to your wit, they are wild, not fully domesticated.

  • HU-485165489
    2 years ago

    CryeCruel

  • Elocin F
    2 months ago

    what the..? you killed your cat for being a cat?

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