Anybody else want to run out and rent "Best In Show" with Fred Willard & Eugene Levy???? I was also going to add "what Jaxondel said"; however, I had to look up "cotton buds" because I was not erudite enough to know they are "cotton swabs" (I thought we were talking about cotton balls). The bright side of this coin is firstly, that I can now share some wonderful information on the history of the cotton 'swab' (if I may, Suzy?) or what we call the Q-tip (not to be confused with the rapper): Cotton swab - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cotton_bud I also feel duty bound to mention that the "Q-tip" moniker is now owned by the British conglomerate Unilever who bought Cheesborough-Ponds, so perhaps in a few years you may have to transition, Suzy! And for those who've been titillated by this information, I have only scratched the surface on the history of the humble cotton swab (which I must admit I thought was interesting because I know I can safely do so in this company): Q-tips: History http://www.qtips.com/history.php Finally, in the interest of full confession, disclosure and, dare I say competition? I fully admit cotton swabs are one of my rare brand snob purchases, I prefer Johnson & Johnson swabs because the 'buds' are bigger ;-) G'night all...

we dont have a master bath, just put the main bathroom right next to the master bedroom (we prefer it that way since we are on different schedules, and was cheaper to build with one less bathroom anyway) We have the shower and family closets together in a room off of the bathroom. We dont store clothes in bedrooms, but put the closets where we get dressed at. having them together is so convenient for undressing and redressing right next to the shower. The shower is walled in around the ceiling, and has a vent fan, so moisture is not an issue. The bathroom is shared with everyone so we put the washer/dryer behind sliding doors, and turned the toilet so you cant be seen even if you dont close the pocket door to completely seal it off from the room. We also have a door out to the patio which works well for hanging laundry on a clothesline, or for putting filty kids straight into the tub. Ours was a custom build that seems to be confusing to some people that we dont have closets in the bedrooms, and get dressed in the shower room. Nevermind a door so we dont have to track through the entire house to get to the bathroom. Thats the great thing about being able to build your own home-do it to suit your lifestyle.

kkny, first of all, I did not attack you, I was just making an observation about your behaviour and asking you if you had ever heard the term "displacement" because you seem to have displaced anger. You say that you " offer advise becuase I see a woman who sincerely wants to help her D, and a father who evidently beleives in the "marriage first" school advocated by many SMs here, even when SM explodes unnecessarily at his own daughter." This was your "advice": (see it below in quotes) - for the OP to apologize and "put the blame on herself". What does this teach the OP's DD, about relationships, about how to deal with other people in the world? You also tell the OP to "Grovel if she must" at some point in your posts. OMG, you are telling a woman to grovel? What century is this...?? No one, man or woman or child should be told to grovel to anyone...!! -you tell the OP to tell her DD to "stall if Dad wants to "help" her with shopping" and "not to tell Dad about any parties" Is the DD now not supposed to shop with her own father?? Is she supposed to keep it a "Secret" if she has a dance to go to or a party? The OP's DD is now supposed to not be honest with her Dad, to lie to him, to omit information? Is this the advice you give to your OWN DD?? Finally, you tell the OP to "check that you are getting the max child support and discuss with lawyer. Since dad cant handle clothing, make certain you get as much CS as possible. And please, make certain you deal with college as early as possible. If you are going to have to negotatiote with dad and SM you want to know. OTOH, some states will order NCP to pay tuition." The OP states repeatedly that she usually gets along well with her ex. Why would you try to have her start a firestorm and bring attorneys into it,which will cost her lots of $$ and bring emotional havoc on her, on her DD, and on her ex?? Why would you take what the OP has said is a fairly good relationship between ex's and turn it into a possible hell-on-earth scenario? The only reason I can see that you would give this advice is that this is the sort of thing that you have experienced, and that's why I mentioned the term "displacement" to you. Finally, you said to LoveHadley that you are all about supporting and helping CHILDREN. Teaching a child to lie or withold things from her Dad (or to do this to anyone for that matter), and to have her Mom "take blame and apologize" when she hasn't done anything wrong is not supporting or helping anyone. -----------------------------------------------------------Here is your post kkny: Posted by kkny (My Page) on Mon, Oct 5, 09 at 16:52 "OP, a lot of advice here. To summarize, my recco, 1. Call your X and apoligize, blame on you. Dont worry if not true, you and mom can have a few laughs later. And there are an awful lot of SMs here who complain when mom buys inappropriate stuff. 2. Tell D not to let Dad berate her. Call you if problem. 3. In future, tell D to stall if dad wants to "help" her with shopping. Dont tell Dad about any parties til you two can work it out. He is way overly sensitive. 4. Again, check that you are getting max Child support and discuss college with lawyer. Since dad cant handle clothing, make certain you get as much CS as possible. And please, make certain you deal with college as early as possible. If you are going to have to negotatiote with dad and SM you want to know. OTOH, some states will order NCP to pay tuition." ----------------------------------------------------- PS: JNM, I guess you are right about the horse...:D PPS: LoveHadley, you are right. The OP never said that the "SM explodes unnecessarily at his own daughter" as quoted by kkny.

Paul Winchell Quotes American - Entertainer December 21, 1922 - June 24, 2005 Children are so used to seeing puppets that when they see a real ventriloquist they don't understand it. Paul Winchell I first met Walt Disney 25 or 30 years ago. Paul Winchell I think television defeats ventriloquism. Paul Winchell On television, everyone talks and they don't care about the mechanics. Paul Winchell Ventriloquism today is in a slump. Walt gave me a VIP tour of the studio. I remember people doing voices. Paul Winchell Edward Hoagland Quotes American - Author Born: December 21, 1932 Country people do not behave as if they think life is short; they live on the principle that it is long, and savor variations of the kind best appreciated if most days are the same. Edward Hoagland In order to really enjoy a dog, one doesn't merely try to train him to be semi-human. The point of it is to open oneself to the possibility of becoming partly a dog. Edward Hoagland Animals are stylized characters in a kind of old saga - stylized because even the most acute of them have little leeway as they play out their parts. Edward Hoagland Once I climbed into a mountain lion's cage and she bounded at me and put her paw on my face, but she kept her claws withdrawn. Edward Hoagland City people try to buy time as a rule, when they can, whereas country people are prepared to kill time, although both try to cherish in their mind's eye the notion of a better life ahead. Edward Hoagland The question of whether it's God's green earth is not at center stage, except in the sense that if so, one is reminded with some regularity that He may be dying. Edward Hoagland Like a kick in the butt, the force of events wakes slumberous talents. Edward Hoagland Men greet each other with a sock on the arm, women with a hug, and the hug wears better in the long run. Edward Hoagland Land of opportunity, land for the huddled masses where would the opportunity have been without the genocide of those Old Guard, bristling Indian tribes? Edward Hoagland Many people have believed that they were Chosen, but none more baldly than the Texans. Edward Hoagland There were periods during my childhood when I stammered so badly I couldn't talk at all. Edward Hoagland When I was 18 I worked with the Ringling Brothers circus, taking care of menagerie animals. I used to rather deliberately risk my life with the big cats. Edward Hoagland Black bears, though, are not fearsome. I encountered one on the road to my house in Vermont, alone at night. I picked up two stones just in case, but I wasn't afraid of him. I felt a hunter's exhilaration and a brotherly feeling. Edward Hoagland Phil Donahue Quotes American - Entertainer Born: December 21, 1935 Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem. Phil Donahue Spanking and verbal criticism have become, to many parents, more important tools of child rearing than approval. Phil Donahue I have moved from certainty to doubt, from devotion to rebellion. Phil Donahue December 25th has become guilt and obligation. Phil Donahue Presenting statues of honor to reporters for covering an earthquake is like presenting a first prize to a doctor for performing surgery. Phil Donahue Some people are uncomfortable with the idea that humans belong to the same class of animals as cats and cows and raccoons. They're like the people who become successful and then don't want to be reminded of the old neighborhood. Phil Donahue At first, I thoroughly enjoyed being famous. Phil Donahue I was proud of the waves I had made, but wondered how many boats I was supposed to rock. Phil Donahue Praising the Lord and passing the ammunition are mutually exclusive ideas. Phil Donahue To a journalist, good news is often not news at all. Phil Donahue Miss Child is never bashful with butter. Phil Donahue I think the idea of creating a television news source that is not beholden to corporate interests is nirvana. Phil Donahue Marlo taught me things I thought I knew. Phil Donahue I tip like crazy. They'll remember me. Celebrity can be expensive. Phil Donahue Airlines are interesting. They not only favor celebrities, they court them. Phil Donahue A large psychic void is left by a loss of faith. So many Catholics have tried so many things to replace it. Phil Donahue The Tube is a vehicle for selling things, not for exploring ideas. Phil Donahue I have had time to analyze my feelings. I am certain that they are totally neurotic, sexist, silly, and a big waste of time. Phil Donahue We should not use crippled children to sell hamburgers. Ever. Phil Donahue The system of volunteerism is divisive. It pits one charity against the others for the charity dollar. Phil Donahue Television is not the exclusive target of promoters. Is Superman really worthy of a Newsweek cover? Phil Donahue Recognition should come to the reporter who uncovers public cheating or proves a convicted man innocent. Phil Donahue In reality, the most important things happen when you don't look for them. Phil Donahue When I was a kid, people who got divorced were people who had no gumption. Phil Donahue When we had been married five years, we had six children. What, in God's name, was wrong with me? Phil Donahue Is it any wonder that for millions of men the only intimacy is physical, silent, and predictable? Phil Donahue In 1953 there were two ways for an Irish Catholic boy to impress his parents: become a priest or attend Notre Dame. Phil Donahue I believe celebrity spoils people - some worse than others. Phil Donahue I find celebrity status difficult to bear when I am in the company of my mother. Phil Donahue They were terrified that we were going to become an anti-war kind of platform. Phil Donahue Everybody is under pressure to shut up and sing. Phil Donahue In a network situation, a vice president, while he's shaving, can decide your history. Phil Donahue I could never understand how we could put 120,000 Japanese behind a fence in World War II. I remember being bewildered about that. Phil Donahue Oprah is more than an institution. Oprah is a very special star in the firmament. I can't imagine a greater success than she's enjoyed. Phil Donahue Saddam was a bastard, but he was our bastard. Phil Donahue Frank Zappa Quotes American - Musician December 21, 1940 - December 4, 1993 Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid. Frank Zappa Some scientists claim that hydrogen, because it is so plentiful, is the basic building block of the universe. I dispute that. I say there is more stupidity than hydrogen, and that is the basic building block of the universe. Frank Zappa There is more stupidity than hydrogen in the universe, and it has a longer shelf life. Frank Zappa You can't be a real country unless you have a beer and an airline. It helps if you have some kind of a football team, or some nuclear weapons, but at the very least you need a beer. Frank Zappa Art is making something out of nothing and selling it. Frank Zappa If you want to get laid, go to college. If you want an education, go to the library. Frank Zappa Communism doesn't work because people like to own stuff. Frank Zappa You can't always write a chord ugly enough to say what you want to say, so sometimes you have to rely on a giraffe filled with whipped cream. Frank Zappa Without deviation progress is not possible. Frank Zappa I searched for years I found no love. I'm sure that love will never be a product of plasticity. Frank Zappa A composer is a guy who goes around forcing his will on unsuspecting air molecules, often with the assistance of unsuspecting musicians. Frank Zappa The computer can't tell you the emotional story. It can give you the exact mathematical design, but what's missing is the eyebrows. Frank Zappa Most people wouldn't know music if it came up and bit them on the ass. Frank Zappa It isn't necessary to imagine the world ending in fire or ice. There are two other possibilities: one is paperwork, and the other is nostalgia. Frank Zappa Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. Frank Zappa The United States is a nation of laws: badly written and randomly enforced. Frank Zappa Everybody believes in something and everybody, by virtue of the fact that they believe in something, uses that something to support their own existence. Frank Zappa All the good music has already been written by people with wigs and stuff. Frank Zappa Music is always a commentary on society. Frank Zappa I never set out to be weird. It was always other people who called me weird. Frank Zappa There are more love songs than anything else. If songs could make you do something we'd all love one another. Frank Zappa Love, Music, You Most rock journalism is people who can't write, interviewing people who can't talk, for people who can't read. Frank Zappa One of my favorite philosophical tenets is that people will agree with you only if they already agree with you. You do not change people's minds. Frank Zappa Music, in performance, is a type of sculpture. The air in the performance is sculpted into something. Frank Zappa No change in musical style will survive unless it is accompanied by a change in clothing style. Rock is to dress up to. Frank Zappa