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SW Westhighland White / BM White Dove

sewwhatsnew
11 years ago

I recently had Sherwin Williams computer match BM White Dove in Promar 200,400 and ProClassic paint, all had too much yellow in them. When matching BM White Dove at Sherwin it requires a Luminous Base which is not available in all types of paint like the Extra White base is, so that is one reason my color is off. (Luminous should match!!)

Today I switched to SW Westhighland White,using the Extra White base and it's less yellow, and almost an exact match to my BM White Dove paper sample. Love it!!

I painted basement ceiling tiles with SW Westhighland and they look great. I also switched from flat to eggshell finish on the tiles and I'm glad I did.

I think SW Westhighland White might also require the Luminous White base, but I was very satisfied using the Extra White base because it matched close to BM White Dove.

I hope this helps someone else with their color choices. I work for Sherwin and mix paint everyday, so I can be PICKY!! Also do not expect the sample quarts of whites to match the gallon formula, most will not!!

Comments (14)

  • Honu3421
    8 years ago
    last modified: 8 years ago

    This is such a timely post. My painter has painted half of my interior trim with color-matched White Dove in A-100. I am going to ask him to switch to Pro Classic. Will the Pro Classic White Dove look yellow next to the A-100 White Dove? And then, same question as fall50 - Do I need to switch to Westhighland White with extra white base?

    We are meeting Wednesday morning, please let me know what problems I might run into by switching to Pro Classic. I just don't want him using any more A-100 for interior trim.

    Edited to add that I just noticed this is an old post. Not timely at all. I wonder if sewwhatsnew's post has any validity.

  • fall50
    8 years ago
    last modified: 8 years ago

    Here is what Sherwin mixed up. We dont have any BM White Dove to compare it to, so cant speak to how close it looks.

    Honu3421, can you report back on if you also you used this same formula and whether its the extra white base?

  • fall50
    8 years ago

    Also A-100 looks to be an exterior paint. Lets hope your contractor is not using it for INTERIOR trim. Please update on whether the color match I referenced above is what you ended up using.

  • Honu3421
    8 years ago

    Hi Fall50. I no longer have my paint sample but that formula looks familiar and the color is fine on my trim. I see no yellow.....the sheen and finish not so much. But that's another story and I have a thread going on this forum - see "trim paint fiasco?" Yeah, high end contractor used A-100 for interior trim. Back to your white dove. I would test what you have on a wall and assuming you aren't matching to existing BM paint, if it looks good I wouldn't worry about it.

  • fall50
    8 years ago
    last modified: 8 years ago

    The formula sticker should be on the can of your A-100. I saw your other posts, the trim should have been sanded down (at least lightly) if it was "rough in texture".


    How they used A-100 on interior work is a bit frightening.

  • fall50
    8 years ago
    Thanks! Iam baffled on how 3 different formulas exist for the same color.

    The trim you are testing is interior trim correct?

    Please report back on what you find. For the Interior trim you should use the pro classic as it's one of the best water borne enamels on the market
  • Honu3421
    8 years ago

    Hi fall50. I had to delete my post. I noticed there was a phone number and an order number on the label. If you need me to repost the photos without that info I am more than happy to do so, just let me know. Yes, this is for interior trim. I thought of calling SW to ask why the different formulas, but at some point I just have to trust that they are the experts. The color on the wall is what is important to me. ;)

  • fall50
    8 years ago
    last modified: 8 years ago

    No problem, but I am anxious to hear which one you selected that most closely matches the BM White Dove. Are you still planning on selecting which of three is the best match yet today.

    To be honest I would love to know what Shewrin Williams explanation was for why all 3 were different. I would have called myself, using the pic's you provided but understand why you took them down.

    What color are you using on the wall? We're going with Accessible Beige SW 7036

  • Honu3421
    8 years ago
    last modified: 8 years ago

    The samples will go up today. I probably won't make my selection until tomorrow after I've seen the paint in various light. Today is a hectic day with Dr. appointments and other non building related meetings. I will get back to you as soon as I can on how the samples look, but it might not be until tomorrow. I figured out how to crop the pictures - it just took a minute to do - and am reposting the photos. Our walls are Maritime White. edited to add: SW color matched BM Maritime White.

    I would be interested to know what SW says about the formulas if you do end up calling them. However, read what Lori (FKA FunColors) has to say about formulas in her post dated July 8, 2012 at 2:03 PM in this thread:

    http://ths.gardenweb.com/discussions/2484609/anyone-have-foumlas-for-rh-butter-or-saffron-in-other-brands?n=12

  • fall50
    8 years ago

    Sounds good Honu. Be great to hear from Lori (FKA FunColors) on this. Wonder if she has a formula that she could share that would get us close to BM White Dove.

    Lori if you happen to see this post would love any input on trim color to pair with Accessible Beige http://ths.gardenweb.com/discussions/3087370/trim-color-to-pair-with-accessible-beige-sw7036

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    Lori A. Sawaya
    8 years ago

    Hi everyone. Here's another, current thread where we're discussing formulas. Read this thread too.

    Bottomline is there is more than one way to custom match and/or mix a color and still meet the industry standard for a "match".

    In my experience, formulas for Color To Go jugs (and all small fresh-mixed samples) notoriously differ from the formula for a gallon. It has to do with quantities, volume of base in the can, how much room there is for colorant, how small the colorant load has to be divided in order to "fit" into smaller containers, how small a quantity can the dispenser actually shoot, etc.

    Overall, most people are fine with the quality of the "match" produced by differing formulas. Most of the time, they can't tell. Now, that's either because it truly is not discernable or they just don't know any better and don't look closely enough to compare in order to find fault with the quality of the color match.

    For testing - and to keep things as simple and accurate as possible - the rule of thumb is if you want the color you see on the original paint chip, you need to buy at least a quart in the brand, paint grade, and sheen you ultimately want to use.

    Wonder if she has a formula that she could share that would get us close to BM White Dove.

    If I wanted a proper BenM White Dove, I'd go to whatever lengths necessary to buy it from Benjamin Moore. I often order my Ben Moore paint from myperfectcolor.com and have it shipped. It's fabulously convenient. :)

    I've said it a million times on the forums here, getting wrapped around color formulas and paint bases is a rat hole no one should go down.

    Cutting formulas, doubling formulas, trying to decipher color characteristics by reading the colorants in the formula and/or the tint of the paint base -- if anyone tells you there is anything worthwhile in dissecting and studying any of that, they're full of beans. Because there is nothing about any of it that we, who are on the consumer side of the paint counter, can manage or control.

    Blogosphere is plastered with posts from people professing their success cutting formulas, reading the formulas to ascertain "undertones" and whatnot. Their success doing so can be attributed to nothing more than luck. Luck and they've already made up their mind that their color mixing gymnastics will yield a successful color before they even start.

    Unless your daily job is mixing paint colors, analyzing color in its liquid state is of no value. Dry and cured color is the only thing that matters because it's all we consumers can control and manage.

    So, the question about all the various versions of White Dove is how do they look? And the most important thing would be to choose a version and make sure it's used consistently throughout a project.





  • fall50
    8 years ago
    Honu

    Any update. My sample looks a bit yellow next to my wall color Accessible Beige.

    Lori's right I should just order White Dove from BM!
  • Honu3421
    8 years ago

    Fall50. Samples aren't up yet. How the paint looks in my house has no bearing on how it will look in your house. You still need to test in your environment. I am only using SW because that's what my contractor uses. Why are you messing around trying to color match when you can just go to BM? I don't mean to sound harsh, but I am in a lower latitude and paint looks totally different here. once all your furnishings are in the house your trim will be the backdrop, not the focal point. Best of luck.

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